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You could see George's booking coming a mile off and I think the ref was right. The bloke behind me said George was entitled to take the goal kick from wherever he liked, but the point was he'd already put the ball down before deciding he needed to take the kick from somewhere else, eating up a few more seconds.

However, the bit of time wasting I really didn't get was the Bradford player who came off at 3-0 down, he took forever. The same bloke behind me spoke a bit more sense when he said "take your time son, we're 3-0 up".
 



Ref just needs to indicate he's started adding time on, problem solved
 
Ref just needs to indicate he's started adding time on, problem solved
Yep, some kind of signal to the crowd from the ref that he has just added a minute for Long pissing around

Or any other Keeper for that matter, would ensure 24,000 let Long know he is in the entertainment business

I havn't paid to watch him or any other footballer piss around, get it down and play the ball, thats the Game
 
You could see George's booking coming a mile off and I think the ref was right. The bloke behind me said George was entitled to take the goal kick from wherever he liked, but the point was he'd already put the ball down before deciding he needed to take the kick from somewhere else, eating up a few more seconds.

However, the bit of time wasting I really didn't get was the Bradford player who came off at 3-0 down, he took forever. The same bloke behind me spoke a bit more sense when he said "take your time son, we're 3-0 up".
If Long had taken the kick quickly after moving it, he'd have been OK but he did the studs thing.

The Bradford player was McMahon so that explains that one.
 
To be fair he could have been booked earlier on, his kicks out of his hands were taking 10-15 seconds as opposed to the 6 seconds allowed.

However if the ref is letting him get away with it then crack on.
 
Yep, some kind of signal to the crowd from the ref that he has just added a minute for Long pissing around

Or any other Keeper for that matter, would ensure 24,000 let Long know he is in the entertainment business

I havn't paid to watch him or any other footballer piss around, get it down and play the ball, thats the Game
George has got to learn to be a bit cute when wasting time it had been coming for about 5 minutes (booking) ..A Bradford player went down injured and George still had the ball in his hands when play resumed (ball should have been in position to take goalkick),I saw the ref was annoyed at that so next bit of games man ship brought him a booking,
 
Doesn't it jus take up more time going over to boom him?
Plus, a keeper isn't going to accumulate enough to get a ban.
 
To be fair he could have been booked earlier on, his kicks out of his hands were taking 10-15 seconds as opposed to the 6 seconds allowed.

However if the ref is letting him get away with it then crack on.
As far as I am aware the 6 second rule was scrapped a few seasons ago
 

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Ref just needs to indicate he's started adding time on, problem solved

Funny one, this. We often see visiting teams piss about, substitute a player furthest from the dugout (who strolls off as slowly as he can) etc. The crowd gets worked up, calling for time to be added on. But what if time is added on, and the culprits score in that time?
 
I think it's a sign of his maturity that he's willing and able to do this. In a way it's a good thing. And his efforts will be appreciated by the other players: taking one for the team and all that.

Last two games, at least, Coutts has gone down with a "head injury" when we've been under a bit of pressure.

Maybe this paid dividends yesterday but longer term I think it's unacceptable: the head injury rule is there for good reason and I don't think it should be exploited.

Across the team we are much more "professional" eg disputing the placing of the ball so we can set up defensively, pressuring the ref (this nearly cost us recently when the ref and the opposition just got on with the game) etc.

I'd much rather we played clean football but the refs haven't kept their side of the deal and we've been kicked out of games a few times.
 



I won't even edit that just so people can understand why you've picked me up on being such a distracted moron :D
I think it has got legs, Goalie pissing around, lino sneaks round the back and cuffs him one

Be even easier with the 5th offficial in Europe, clearly Sepp was on the right track
 
I think it's a sign of his maturity that he's willing and able to do this.

Compass Catering also practice this, its something they encourage their staff to do

Lesson 1, piss around with the Lid fixing onto the Hot Drink ...................... just long enough to get the Customer irate, but not actually say owt

10 seconds wasted, onto the next mug,

"4 Bovrils please"

Hehe, this one is gonna miss the kickoff for the second half ................
 
You could see George's booking coming a mile off and I think the ref was right. The bloke behind me said George was entitled to take the goal kick from wherever he liked, but the point was he'd already put the ball down before deciding he needed to take the kick from somewhere else, eating up a few more seconds.

However, the bit of time wasting I really didn't get was the Bradford player who came off at 3-0 down, he took forever. The same bloke behind me spoke a bit more sense when he said "take your time son, we're 3-0 up".

When Footballers waste time is ... annoying. It's ... embarrassing. It makes them look petty, which in turn makes the game look petty, and by proxy us too. It can be funny if done with a bit of wit or verve, or with engaging stupidity, but usually it's just pillocks hiding the ball behind their back, faking injury, while firing their best butter-wouldn't-melt face at the referee.

Two options, then. The first is to insist that referees keep time accurately. We've paid for 45 minutes of football, and by heck we're going to get them. This would be fine, except footballers as we know they now are finely-tuned athletes built to exercising for just over one hour in a just under two-hour period. Accurately keeping time would increase the work they'd have to do by almost 50%. Which would certainly mean more injuries, might lead to a drop in quality (or at least in pace) and attacking (or at least pro-active) football, and could, taken to its logical conclusion, lead to footballers taking some of those dastardly performance-enhancing substances that they definitely don't take any of at the moment, on average we actually only see between 58 to 64 minutes of playing football out of the 90 minutes in any game.

Another idea is to take this accuracy but retain the amount of football actually played. Two halves of thirty minutes, the clock only ticking when it's in play.

At a stroke, the dispiriting and irritating business of time-wasting is gone. Lie on the ball all you like, son, time's marching on but the clock isn't. Admittedly, it would be something of a shame to miss out on incidents as hilarious as Longs yellow card, but think of the compensatory good it would do all our blood pressures.

It would also remove the grand farce of added injury stoppage overtime, which is less an actual attempt to measure how much time has been lost from a half, and more a kind of vague award based on whether or not there has been lots of sitting down, or only a bit. Four minutes of added injury stoppage overtime? It should have been at least six minutes of added injury stoppage overtime!

The disadvantages? Well...

I don't think I'm being particularly dense when I say that I genuinely can't think of one, beyond the argument that a game of football lasts ninety minutes, in two forty-five minute halves, because a game of football lasts ninety minutes, in two forty-five minute halves, which isn't really an argument at all, more a kind of verbal shrug, like saying the sky is blue because the sky is blue. Not very satisfying.

A game of football lasts ninety minutes, in two forty-five minute halves, because somebody, somewhere, decided that that would be so. (If you know who and when, incidentally, please say so in the comments -- I haven't been able to find out.)

The idea of adding time on for stoppages came later: 1891, according to Wikipedia, after Aston Villa's goalkeeper, having conceded a penalty with a 1-0 lead and two minutes to go, hoofed the ball out of the ground and beyond finding. (The online encyclopaedia sadly doesn't record how many outraged opinion pieces that incident inspired.)

Presumably they did so after considerable thought, with a view to ensuring the best experience for both players and spectators. But there's nothing inherently superior or righteous about 90 minutes in itself, as can be seen by the fact that we don't get 90 minutes, and possibly never have. All 90 minutes represents, as things stand, is a convenient amount of time over which to stretch a smaller amount of football. If we can find a way of achieving something similar but better, don't we owe that to ourselves? As Plato once said, tradition is just another word for the collective habit .That could have been Plato, or it could have early-2000s progressive metal band Miocene. I forget.

Naturally, It wouldn't provide a panacea for all football's stoppage-related ills. Hoofing the ball away, or lying on, could still be used by determined berks to sap momentum from the game. But it would certainly remove the primary motivation, as well as robbing outraged managers of one of their more irritating post-game excuses. In fact, the only negative aspect of the whole business - apart from the terrible loss to tradition - would be the sudden emergence of berks doing countdowns as the end of a game drew near
 
Funny one, this. We often see visiting teams piss about, substitute a player furthest from the dugout (who strolls off as slowly as he can) etc. The crowd gets worked up, calling for time to be added on. But what if time is added on, and the culprits score in that time?

Well that's the point - if the ref immediately starts the watch once there's a dead ball and he sees the lino/fourth official indicating for a sub, then he can stroll off from the opposite corner as slowly as he likes and it's not wasting any time whatsoever. If he's taking the piss then book him anyway for unsportsmanlike play, but it's the same result if he runs off like Usain Bolt or casually strolls along without a care in the world like most horses I bet on. Same with delaying set pieces, give the team a sensible amount of time, blow your whistle if appropriate, and then start your watch.
 
I don't exactly enjoy seeing it, but it is something that can gain you an advantage - And it's upto the ref to stop it, not the players.
 
When Footballers waste time is ... annoying. It's ... embarrassing. It makes them look petty, which in turn makes the game look petty, and by proxy us too. It can be funny if done with a bit of wit or verve, or with engaging stupidity, but usually it's just pillocks hiding the ball behind their back, faking injury, while firing their best butter-wouldn't-melt face at the referee.

Two options, then. The first is to insist that referees keep time accurately. We've paid for 45 minutes of football, and by heck we're going to get them. This would be fine, except footballers as we know they now are finely-tuned athletes built to exercising for just over one hour in a just under two-hour period. Accurately keeping time would increase the work they'd have to do by almost 50%. Which would certainly mean more injuries, might lead to a drop in quality (or at least in pace) and attacking (or at least pro-active) football, and could, taken to its logical conclusion, lead to footballers taking some of those dastardly performance-enhancing substances that they definitely don't take any of at the moment, on average we actually only see between 58 to 64 minutes of playing football out of the 90 minutes in any game.

Another idea is to take this accuracy but retain the amount of football actually played. Two halves of thirty minutes, the clock only ticking when it's in play.

At a stroke, the dispiriting and irritating business of time-wasting is gone. Lie on the ball all you like, son, time's marching on but the clock isn't. Admittedly, it would be something of a shame to miss out on incidents as hilarious as Longs yellow card, but think of the compensatory good it would do all our blood pressures.

It would also remove the grand farce of added injury stoppage overtime, which is less an actual attempt to measure how much time has been lost from a half, and more a kind of vague award based on whether or not there has been lots of sitting down, or only a bit. Four minutes of added injury stoppage overtime? It should have been at least six minutes of added injury stoppage overtime!

The disadvantages? Well...

I don't think I'm being particularly dense when I say that I genuinely can't think of one, beyond the argument that a game of football lasts ninety minutes, in two forty-five minute halves, because a game of football lasts ninety minutes, in two forty-five minute halves, which isn't really an argument at all, more a kind of verbal shrug, like saying the sky is blue because the sky is blue. Not very satisfying.

A game of football lasts ninety minutes, in two forty-five minute halves, because somebody, somewhere, decided that that would be so. (If you know who and when, incidentally, please say so in the comments -- I haven't been able to find out.)

The idea of adding time on for stoppages came later: 1891, according to Wikipedia, after Aston Villa's goalkeeper, having conceded a penalty with a 1-0 lead and two minutes to go, hoofed the ball out of the ground and beyond finding. (The online encyclopaedia sadly doesn't record how many outraged opinion pieces that incident inspired.)

Presumably they did so after considerable thought, with a view to ensuring the best experience for both players and spectators. But there's nothing inherently superior or righteous about 90 minutes in itself, as can be seen by the fact that we don't get 90 minutes, and possibly never have. All 90 minutes represents, as things stand, is a convenient amount of time over which to stretch a smaller amount of football. If we can find a way of achieving something similar but better, don't we owe that to ourselves? As Plato once said, tradition is just another word for the collective habit .That could have been Plato, or it could have early-2000s progressive metal band Miocene. I forget.

Naturally, It wouldn't provide a panacea for all football's stoppage-related ills. Hoofing the ball away, or lying on, could still be used by determined berks to sap momentum from the game. But it would certainly remove the primary motivation, as well as robbing outraged managers of one of their more irritating post-game excuses. In fact, the only negative aspect of the whole business - apart from the terrible loss to tradition - would be the sudden emergence of berks doing countdowns as the end of a game drew near

I think the key disadvantage with this approach is that it needs an extra official to start the watch every time play begins, and stop it again every time play stops. It happens a huge number of times in each match - far too many for the referee or assistant to do the constant stopping and starting of the watch, as well as concentrating on doing their own job.

Having an extra official is fine in the Premier League, but doing it all the way through all of the professional and amateur leagues in the country would cost a fortune. Of course, you could just apply it at a certain level, but for me every rule of the game should be the same whether you're playing in the Premier League, or playing for the Dog & Duck in the local Sunday league.
 
I think the key disadvantage with this approach is that it needs an extra official to start the watch every time play begins, and stop it again every time play stops. It happens a huge number of times in each match - far too many for the referee or assistant to do the constant stopping and starting of the watch, as well as concentrating on doing their own job.

Having an extra official is fine in the Premier League, but doing it all the way through all of the professional and amateur leagues in the country would cost a fortune. Of course, you could just apply it at a certain level, but for me every rule of the game should be the same whether you're playing in the Premier League, or playing for the Dog & Duck in the local Sunday league.
Also, people who take their kids to night games will be having to drop them straight off at school the next morning straight after the game finishes :)
 
I think the key disadvantage with this approach is that it needs an extra official to start the watch every time play begins, and stop it again every time play stops. It happens a huge number of times in each match - far too many for the referee or assistant to do the constant stopping and starting of the watch, as well as concentrating on doing their own job.

Having an extra official is fine in the Premier League, but doing it all the way through all of the professional and amateur leagues in the country would cost a fortune. Of course, you could just apply it at a certain level, but for me every rule of the game should be the same whether you're playing in the Premier League, or playing for the Dog & Duck in the local Sunday league.

You sound like Sepp Blatter! Has to be the same all the way down, what a load of bollocks!

Decisions at the highest level can have implications which are worth millions. Look at the Henry handball, how much did that cost the Irish economy?

So because the hungover players of the dog & duck vs the red lion can't have an official time keeper we can't have one in the professional game? How crazy is that?

My personal opinion is, just put up digital countdown clock linked to the refs watch so we can all see how long is left and when the clock has been stopped.
 
I can only think of shaving foam, headsets and goal line tech in the premier league as referee assisting advancements in living memory.

Can anyone offer any more?

PS - What happened to that moving the ball ten yard forward for descent or encroaching? Did I dream that being a thing?
 
You sound like Sepp Blatter! Has to be the same all the way down, what a load of bollocks!

Decisions at the highest level can have implications which are worth millions. Look at the Henry handball, how much did that cost the Irish economy?

So because the hungover players of the dog & duck vs the red lion can't have an official time keeper we can't have one in the professional game? How crazy is that?

My personal opinion is, just put up digital countdown clock linked to the refs watch so we can all see how long is left and when the clock has been stopped.

It's not just about having an official time-keeper - it's the rule changes which are required as a result. The game at the top level would run on the basis of the clock only running when the ball is in play, where as the rest of us would play to the current rules. It's a significant difference. For me, it is essential that someone playing for their local teams gets to play to the same rules as the top professionals they see on TV, and the not-so-top professionals they see at the Lane. It is one of the things which encourages people to get involved in playing football, not just watching it - the fact that it's a game which can be fairly easily (and inexpensively) recreated - with the only fundamental difference being the skill level of those involved.

I can live with goal line technology (although I'd prefer not to have it) because it is only enforcing the rules which exist. What is being proposed is actually playing to different rules at different levels of the game.
 
As an assistant referee on the national league time wasting is something that will always be part of the game. We are advised to encourage players to keep the game moving but you don't really want to caution for it as it affects the referees club marks.
Every player does it wether in the premier league or concord park and all mangers expect their players to do it.
 
Time wasting is a matter of opinion, because at 1-0 up putting it corner is fantastic fun & great idea. But 1-0 down & it can be the most infuriating thing going at football
 



I hate timewasting. It’s cheating. Pure and simple. But, as long as the powers that be continue to discourage referees from clamping down hard on it, it will continue to be a part of the game. Since we’ve been in this league, I feel like we only get to watch about 45 minutes football out of the ninety due to teams coming to the lane and timewasting. Although the worst example I can recall was in the Championship when Gary McCallister’s Coventry came to the lane on boxing day. The game predictably finished 0-0 given there were only about 30 minutes of football played such was the extent of the timewasting from minute 1.


Despite how much I hate it, the old saying springs to mind “If you can’t beat them, join them”. Playing nice for too long has got us nowhere whilst teams like MK, Millwall etc. have come to the lane, kicked us off the park. I still remember Crewe at home when Ade Akinbiyi carried a defender across the box on his back and didn’t get a pen because he stayed on his feet. Unfortunately, in the horrible corrupt cesspit that we now call our professional game, cheats do prosper. We’ve played nice and got nowhere and as long as this is the game, we might as well start playing it. So in some ways it’s nice to see us finally becoming nasty and wily and full of gamesmanship as it’s getting us points on the board and feels like karma.
 

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