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Sod it.

What I've heard is that there's some truth in the rumour that was previously mentioned about the relationship between McCabe and the Prince being strained, and that the investment is in danger of being pulled. Should that happen, McCabe may bring in one or some of the Chinese investors whom he's working with on the 'Northern Powerhouse' projects in Sheffield and elsewhere in the north.

Apparently, McCabe wants to build on the Bramall Lane land and build us a new stadium elsewhere. A site has allegedly already been earmarked, somewhere around the Attercliffe area, although there's absolutely no evidence anywhere to be found that this is the case.

It's just what I've heard, but I don't buy it. I'm not much of a McCabe fan, but I don't think he'd be such an idiot that he'd assume we'd all be fine with this. There'd be uproar the likes of which we've never seen. Having said that, with the regeneration of the city centre and the development of St. Mary's gate cracking on, I can only imagine the value of the Bramall Lane land, so if McCabe is as much of a prick as some deem him to be and he sees this as a good thing for the club, who knows what he'll do.

Also, where would the capital come from for a new stadium?

I do wonder if the bloke I was speaking to, as sound as he is, might have got his wires crossed somewhere. Aren't Sheffield Eagles getting a stadium built for themselves up in Attercliffe shortly? Attached to the new school/sports centre on the old Don Valley land? I checked who's building that and it ain't Scarborough. Dunno if there's any rules about having two stadia so close.

Anyway, there it is. All rumour of course.
 
I can't see McCabe wanting to knock BDTBL down and build flats/shops/bars etc there's too much history here, he's big on his history and also the cricketing history of which he's also a fan. The history of the site as a sports arena is something that is beyond a monetary value.

I think he'd also have a lot of backlash to put up with, would he risk that at his age? He's got more money than he'll ever spend already
 
I can totally understand the Prince wanting to cut his losses, also a strained relationship at boardroom level since Clough was sacked and the Ched saga. The Prince might bail if we don't get promotion this season. Chinese interest sounds credible too. But I can't see McCabe supporting the club moving to Attercliffe, there'd be too much of a fan backlash.

However, I can see McCabe wanting to maximise the use of the land, which is quite a decent size and includes vacant land behind the kop and a big car park on Cherry St
 
TomJonesBlade said:
Sod it.

What I've heard is that there's some truth in the rumour that was previously mentioned about the relationship between McCabe and the Prince being strained, and that the investment is in danger of being pulled. Should that happen, McCabe may bring in one or some of the Chinese investors whom he's working with on the 'Northern Powerhouse' projects in Sheffield and elsewhere in the north.

Apparently, McCabe wants to build on the Bramall Lane land and build us a new stadium elsewhere. A site has allegedly already been earmarked, somewhere around the Attercliffe area, although there's absolutely no evidence anywhere to be found that this is the case.

It's just what I've heard, but I don't buy it. I'm not much of a McCabe fan, but I don't think he'd be such an idiot that he'd assume we'd all be fine with this. There'd be uproar the likes of which we've never seen. Having said that, with the regeneration of the city centre and the development of St. Mary's gate cracking on, I can only imagine the value of the Bramall Lane land, so if McCabe is as much of a prick as some deem him to be and he sees this as a good thing for the club, who knows what he'll do.

Also, where would the capital come from for a new stadium?

I do wonder if the bloke I was speaking to, as sound as he is, might have got his wires crossed somewhere. Aren't Sheffield Eagles getting a stadium built for themselves up in Attercliffe shortly? Attached to the new school/sports centre on the old Don Valley land? I checked who's building that and it ain't Scarborough. Dunno if there's any rules about having two stadia so close.

Anyway, there it is. All rumour of course.
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Thanks for that. You also have to bear in mind the bloke who told you this absolutely hates McCabe. Ask him why and he'll give you loads of reasons but not the real one.
He's no more "connected" than you or I.
 
Dkc said:
But I can't see McCabe supporting the club moving to Attercliffe, there'd be too much of a fan backlash.
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That's the way I see it too, but it's supposedly his idea.
 
Sean Thornton said:
You also have to bear in mind the bloke who told you this absolutely hates McCabe.
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I've never asked, but I do get that impression! Aye, pinch of salt required.

I'd like to think that history and heritage trumps money any day of the week, but with the way the world is these days, it's always a worry to hear these sorts of things, rumour or no rumour.
 
Dkc said:
I can totally understand the Prince wanting to cut his losses, also a strained relationship at boardroom level since Clough was sacked and the Ched saga. The Prince might bail if we don't get promotion this season. Chinese interest sounds credible too. But I can't see McCabe supporting the club moving to Attercliffe, there'd be too much of a fan backlash.

However, I can see McCabe wanting to maximise the use of the land, which is quite a decent size and includes vacant land behind the kop and a big car park on Cherry St
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It's always been strained to some extent because of KMc's inability to accept that he didn't have the total shout on all things anymore. He reluctantly accepted that but is flexing his muscles again. HRH is annoyed we've spent money and are still no further on. The real worrying thing is the recent McCabe appointees .

If KMc's relationship with the Chinese involves United, you'd think the Prince pulling out wouldn't bother him.

But then again, would anything be a surprise?
 
TomJonesBlade said:
I've never asked, but I do get that impression! Aye, pinch of salt required.

I'd like to think that history and heritage trumps money any day of the week, but with the way the world is these days, it's always a worry to hear these sorts of things, rumour or no rumour.
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I not suggesting he's making these things up for mischief, I'm sure he actually believes it but he has a skewed view of anything to do with McCabe.
 
Sean Thornton said:
I not suggesting he's making these things up for mischief, I'm sure he actually believes it but he has a skewed view of anything to do with McCabe.
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Nah, he's a sound bloke and he'd never make shite up for a giggle. Think he's got better things to do, frankly. Do wonder where it's come from, though.
 
This rumour takes the biscuit to suggest we will move. from the Lane
takes some (digest)ing.what will the next stupid rumour be? our identity
is steeped.in Bramall lane must be. a Christmas joke.
 

Sometimes I think moving to a new stadium would be a great move and a total fresh start I think we need. As long as the new stadium is the clubs
 
madeinsheffield said:
I can't see McCabe wanting to knock BDTBL down and build flats/shops/bars etc there's too much history here, he's big on his history and also the cricketing history of which he's also a fan. The history of the site as a sports arena is something that is beyond a monetary value.

I think he'd also have a lot of backlash to put up with, would he risk that at his age? He's got more money than he'll ever spend already
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I think on balance you are right. I think it's unlikely that McCabe would want to throw away the history and tradition of the Lane either for personal money or a substantial kitty for the club.

If you look at how Scarborough has recovered from the recession, he is in a great position to make a substantial amount of money. His Trust is worth £90M or so and I can see him doubling that with his interests in China and the "Northern Powerhouse".

I'm a bit surprised he hasn't started appearing in Rich Lists again. His stake in Top Spring alone looks to be worth £50M to me.

OK, he wants to provide for his kids etc but he can't possibly spend what he already has.

I get the statement of not wanting to lose buckets of money on United again but equally I don't think he'd sell us down the river for £20M.

To normal people, these are ridiculous sums of money but I still want to believe he wouldn't sell the Lane.

In the context of the overall development around Sharrow and wanting to keep his Chinese partners sweet, I can forsee he might start on building flats etc on the spare land.

It's just Chinese whispers at the moment - I'll get mi coat.
 
UnitedBlade said:
I think on balance you are right. I think it's unlikely that McCabe would want to throw away the history and tradition of the Lane either for personal money or a substantial kitty for the club.

If you look at how Scarborough has recovered from the recession, he is in a great position to make a substantial amount of money. His Trust is worth £90M or so and I can see him doubling that with his interests in China and the "Northern Powerhouse".

I'm a bit surprised he hasn't started appearing in Rich Lists again. His stake in Top Spring alone looks to be worth £50M to me.

OK, he wants to provide for his kids etc but he can't possibly spend what he already has.

I get the statement of not wanting to lose buckets of money on United again but equally I don't think he'd sell us down the river for £20M.

To normal people, these are ridiculous sums of money but I still want to believe he wouldn't sell the Lane.

In the context of the overall development around Sharrow and wanting to keep his Chinese partners sweet, I can forsee he might start on building flats etc on the spare land.

It's just Chinese whispers at the moment - I'll get mi coat.
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I wouldn't bet on it if Kev can make a few quid then as previously demonstrated he won't give a fuck about or let Sheffield United stand in his way. The plot of land rumoured to be earmarked for a new ground would be in an ideal spot in a businessman's eyes right next to the new HS2 Sheffield/Rotherham station close to the M1 and loads of parking in Meadowhall, you bet it will have crossed his mind ;)
 
and if God forbid we did move to another purpose built stadium, you can bet your bottom dollar McCabe will make sure it will be a cost cutting, scaled down, sorry excuse of a Meccano styled souless fkin bowl
 
Blade58 said:
and if God forbid we did move to another purpose built stadium, you can bet your bottom dollar McCabe will make sure it will be a cost cutting, scaled down, sorry excuse of a Meccano styled souless fkin bowl
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With multi used options e.g. rugby or athletics and with Sheffield Shitty Council having a hand in it for public access and events and we would call it something like the Amey Gas Lamp Stadium or Welcome Refugee Stadium
 
Gents the land value of BDTBL is likely to be less than the cost of buying a peripheral Sheffield site and building a new ground. This rumour is categorically bollocks because it wouldn't make any money. I've also heard fuck all murmurings from the market and bona fide sources in the industry.
 
My usual 'tip-off' guy told me today that there's something big happening in January, football-related.

He wouldn't give details away because he wants to keep his club source on side, but suggested a huge scything of the squad and 'some' big (for this shithole league anyway) players being brought in.

By 'some' I don't know whether that means one, two or more. That's all I've got
 
beatific blade said:
My usual 'tip-off' guy told me today that there's something big happening in January, football-related.

He wouldn't give details away because he wants to keep his club source on side, but suggested a huge scything of the squad and 'some' big (for this shithole league anyway) players being brought in.

By 'some' I don't know whether that means one, two or more. That's all I've got
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A big cull is fine and needed, but not if the cull involves the departure of our best players
 
Rodley said:
Gents the land value of BDTBL is likely to be less than the cost of buying a peripheral Sheffield site and building a new ground. This rumour is categorically bollocks because it wouldn't make any money. I've also heard fuck all murmurings from the market and bona fide sources in the industry.
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Indeed. Stadium moves usually happen when the stadium sits on a piece of prime real estate near to a city centre, next to a train/tube station or other transport hub, and they can bang up a load of high-storey flats and flog them for a couple of hundred K each and then buy a much cheaper piece of land on the outskirts (the notable exception being when there isn't room to expand) . House prices in S2 are lower than nearly all of the outskirts in Sheffield! There is very little in the way of local attraction (except, ironically, those provided because there is a football stadium close by), the city centre isn't really close enough to push up prices dramatically, and there are much cheaper/easier ways to build on land in that area (i.e. it would be far, far cheaper to acquire all of the property from The Railway down to the Cricketers than it would be to cover the costs of knocking down a football stadium, let alone acquiring new land and building a new one!).

Due to Sheffield's industrial past there are literally loads of spacious and (relatively) cheap areas in and around the city centre that could be bulldozed and built on (some of which are already being redeveloped). It is also arguable if the centre of Sheffield is even an attraction, unless you're a student (and thankfully we aren't between the universities - I know a lot of student accommodation has gone up around the Lane, but that's almost certainly because the land was cheap). Not to mention that most of the benefits of living in Sheffield are not provided by the city centre.

I honestly wouldn't swap our stadium for another one in the country. I wouldn't believe this rumour if we still only had 3 sides to the ground and none of the corners filled in, let alone believing it after the club has spent a small fortune building up (and around) the stadium.
 
Flawed said:
Indeed. Stadium moves usually happen when the stadium sits on a piece of prime real estate near to a city centre, next to a train/tube station or other transport hub, and they can bang up a load of high-storey flats and flog them for a couple of hundred K each and then buy a much cheaper piece of land on the outskirts (the notable exception being when there isn't room to expand) . House prices in S2 are lower than nearly all of the outskirts in Sheffield! There is very little in the way of local attraction (except, ironically, those provided because there is a football stadium close by), the city centre isn't really close enough to push up prices dramatically, and there are much cheaper/easier ways to build on land in that area (i.e. it would be far, far cheaper to acquire all of the property from The Railway down to the Cricketers than it would be to cover the costs of knocking down a football stadium, let alone acquiring new land and building a new one!).

Due to Sheffield's industrial past there are literally loads of spacious and (relatively) cheap areas in and around the city centre that could be bulldozed and built on (some of which are already being redeveloped). It is also arguable if the centre of Sheffield is even an attraction, unless you're a student (and thankfully we aren't between the universities - I know a lot of student accommodation has gone up around the Lane, but that's almost certainly because the land was cheap). Not to mention that most of the benefits of living in Sheffield are not provided by the city centre.

I honestly wouldn't swap our stadium for another one in the country. I wouldn't believe this rumour if we still only had 3 sides to the ground and none of the corners filled in, let alone believing it after the club has spent a small fortune building up (and around) the stadium.
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Brighton's stadium for example cost £93,000,000 to build. Now granted the value of the land will be astronomical comparable to a peripheral Sheffield site and that will be an "all-in" figure with the transport improvements, s.278 works, etc., so you could reasonably halve that. Even so, at £20,000,000 ish to build a new ground you're reliant on a net receipt for BDTBL being in excess of that, less capital gains, etc.

It's pie in the sky.
 
Caseh said:
He didn't say the cull included our best players.
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I wasn't suggesting he had Caseh, but would it surprise anyone if the board moving out players actually meant selling our best players?

We know that if any of our players are considered half decent they will be the ones that might attract attention, but seriously when does our board ever turn their back on the chance to sell anyone these days, good or bad?
 
Flawed said:
Indeed. Stadium moves usually happen when the stadium sits on a piece of prime real estate near to a city centre, next to a train/tube station or other transport hub, and they can bang up a load of high-storey flats and flog them for a couple of hundred K each and then buy a much cheaper piece of land on the outskirts (the notable exception being when there isn't room to expand) . House prices in S2 are lower than nearly all of the outskirts in Sheffield! There is very little in the way of local attraction (except, ironically, those provided because there is a football stadium close by), the city centre isn't really close enough to push up prices dramatically, and there are much cheaper/easier ways to build on land in that area (i.e. it would be far, far cheaper to acquire all of the property from The Railway down to the Cricketers than it would be to cover the costs of knocking down a football stadium, let alone acquiring new land and building a new one!).

Due to Sheffield's industrial past there are literally loads of spacious and (relatively) cheap areas in and around the city centre that could be bulldozed and built on (some of which are already being redeveloped). It is also arguable if the centre of Sheffield is even an attraction, unless you're a student (and thankfully we aren't between the universities - I know a lot of student accommodation has gone up around the Lane, but that's almost certainly because the land was cheap). Not to mention that most of the benefits of living in Sheffield are not provided by the city centre.

I honestly wouldn't swap our stadium for another one in the country. I wouldn't believe this rumour if we still only had 3 sides to the ground and none of the corners filled in, let alone believing it after the club has spent a small fortune building up (and around) the stadium.
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Makes you wonder why McCabe wants to build even more offices and student accommodation on the site when the site has so little going for it don't it ;) surely it would be more beneficial to add more seats in the corners for when we are in the premiership.
 

beatific blade said:
My usual 'tip-off' guy told me today that there's something big happening in January, football-related.

He wouldn't give details away because he wants to keep his club source on side, but suggested a huge scything of the squad and 'some' big (for this shithole league anyway) players being brought in.

By 'some' I don't know whether that means one, two or more. That's all I've got
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Messi or Messy you decide?
 
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