Updates from Adkins

[BushBlade]

You've spent more than £10m in the club shop.

Blimey, what did you get for that?

Half a football club.

And a hat.

 

[wizadry]

So Brayford declares himself fit, Adkins says 'have a run out in the u21s soft as shit league and if you feel anything stop immediately', Brayford does that, exactly that, but someone's at fault?

And if he doesn't come back til Christmas, so what, that's when we expected him back so who's lost out?

My point is it's not Brayford who declares himself fit, with all the technology nowadays the physios' and management team can determine this and should not let him come back too soon, he's a valuable asset to us who needs nurturing along. Brayford is bound to say give it a try after sitting out quite a few months, he's going to be very eager to get back, it's upto the club as a whole to curb his enthusiasm and bring him back when fit. He obviously isn't otherwise he'd be back playing now and not pulling up in the first half of a soft as shit match in the U21's.

If he came back at Christmas then that's fine because that's when we expected him back but if he now doesn't play until way after Christmas then who's lost out? And there is no way i would be blaming Brayford for this who in the whole likelihood of events knows fuck all about coming back from an injury of this kind, that's why we have specialists in this department.

 

[metalblade]

Kevin will be devastated if Brayford isn't playing before Christmas, I mean who could he sell if Brayford was crocked ?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

My point is it's not Brayford who declares himself fit, with all the technology nowadays the physios' and management team can determine this and should not let him come back too soon, he's a valuable asset to us who needs nurturing along. Brayford is bound to say give it a try after sitting out quite a few months, he's going to be very eager to get back, it's upto the club as a whole to curb his enthusiasm and bring him back when fit. He obviously isn't otherwise he'd be back playing now and not pulling up in the first half of a soft as shit match in the U21's.

If he came back at Christmas then that's fine because that's when we expected him back but if he now doesn't play until way after Christmas then who's lost out? And there is no way i would be blaming Brayford for this who in the whole likelihood of events knows fuck all about coming back from an injury of this kind, that's why we have specialists in this department.

Agree Wiz . I can only think of one reason why JB had a game in the U21 , when perhaps not fully fit / ready . Ok these thing happen , but to me its one thing - Desperation

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It looks like we tried to rush Brayford back. Yet another fuck up from the club, when will we learn.

When the first assesment was that he was out until atleast Christmas and he's trying to play at the end of November/start of October, then that has to be questioned when he cost us well over a million quid and our manager was a physio, what the fuck is happening at our club regarding injuries, we seem to have loads in recent times?

I'd suspect it's more like Brayford working his nuts off to get back.

He'll be with us in January.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Agree Wiz . I can only think of one reason why JB had a game in the U21 , when perhaps not fully fit / ready . Ok these thing happen , but to me its one thing - Desperation

UTB

He was very fit and very athletic for 37 minutes.

He made Wallace look a right crock.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

We could always try what Billy Bremner did at Donny in the late 70's/early 80's and go back to the old 2-3-5 full backs-half backs-wingers-outside right-inside forward- striker formation. I seem to recall them winning a game 7-5 v Reading? but then losing a couple heavily, one I think 6-3. Could be entertaining yet disastrous

We already need to score three to win, half way there already.

 

[coaxingstar71]

We already need to score three to win, half way there already.

Adkins team tactics talk : "Right lads, here's the plan.... score more goals than the opposition".

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Agree Wiz . I can only think of one reason why JB had a game in the U21 , when perhaps not fully fit / ready . Ok these thing happen , but to me its one thing - Desperation
UTB

So Adkins, with extensive experience as a professional physio, and all his management experience rushes back his best player knowing that he risks injuring him, but figures he'll take the chance anyway. Really?

 

[wizadry]

So Adkins, with extensive experience as a professional physio, and all his management experience rushes back his best player knowing that he risks injuring him, but figures he'll take the chance anyway. Really?

Now I know this might sound stupid to you, bush and perhaps others but for me that's seems to be exactly what he's done, unless I've missed something and Brayford is as fit as a fiddle?

 

[BushBlade]

My point is it's not Brayford who declares himself fit, with all the technology nowadays the physios' and management team can determine this and should not let him come back too soon, he's a valuable asset to us who needs nurturing along. Brayford is bound to say give it a try after sitting out quite a few months, he's going to be very eager to get back, it's upto the club as a whole to curb his enthusiasm and bring him back when fit. He obviously isn't otherwise he'd be back playing now and not pulling up in the first half of a soft as shit match in the U21's.

If he came back at Christmas then that's fine because that's when we expected him back but if he now doesn't play until way after Christmas then who's lost out? And there is no way i would be blaming Brayford for this who in the whole likelihood of events knows fuck all about coming back from an injury of this kind, that's why we have specialists in this department.

But how do you know he didn't pass all the tests and assessments but broke down anyway? It happens. We're human beings, not machines.

But given the number of players we've signed with dodgy records and the number of players we have injured you do wonder if sorting out our medical team is on NA's to do list.

 

[wizadry]

But how do you know he didn't pass all the tests and assessments but broke down anyway? It happens. We're human beings, not machines.

But given the number of players we've signed with dodgy records and the number of players we have injured you do wonder if sorting out our medical team is on NA's to do list.

You make a good point in your first paragraph. You're right, I don't know but you can question the rigours of the tests if this is the case and he has slipped through the net so to speak.

Totally agree we need to stop signing injured players. I don't mind getting players who don't have injury records as such and then those players end up getting injured, that's tough luck but when you buy them already crocked then you surely have to question what the fuck we are doing sometimes. We don't half make it hard for ourselves.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

But how do you know he didn't pass all the tests and assessments but broke down anyway? It happens. We're human beings, not machines.

But given the number of players we've signed with dodgy records and the number of players we have injured you do wonder if sorting out our medical team is on NA's to do list.

It's just the nature of the beast. You can do as much rehab and play as many training games as you want at some point you have to begin to play relatively competitively. The idea - and it looks like the best one - is to play rehabilitating players in the u21s before they step up to the first team. The rigours of a game and the level of desire in competition will test the recovery to the next level.

It's a clear and obvious step between training and full competition - when recovery will be tested to the limit as the player will be fully committed.

Modern professional football is extremely demanding on the knees. The players are very fit and athletic, and asking more of their bodies than at any time previously.

I'm far from an expert but it's possible, say, that the Beard will have some kind of permanent structural weakness in a ligament or tendon and may never play at the same level again - like Coutts?

Otoh he may make a full recovery.

Whatever the case it's a huge disappointment, but it's not a huge surprise that he broke down. The advice at the u21s game was come off if you feel anything at any time. Apparently he did just that.

Fwiw I think he should have done this in the first place. At the game I said to WHF Jr Sr he really needed to get off the pitch immediately, but from memory he played on for several minutes - possibly till half time. I really hope this didn't cost him his career.

 

[robbiez666]

But how do you know he didn't pass all the tests and assessments but broke down anyway? It happens. We're human beings, not machines.

But given the number of players we've signed with dodgy records and the number of players we have injured you do wonder if sorting out our medical team is on NA's to do list.

knees are a particularly funny beast. I played squash last night. no probs. Went to sit down at lunch today and one of my knees went. Fine after, nothing. In cases like Brayford no tests can 100% say he's fine. It's a case of playing and seeing and being professional enough to just walk off when you feel something. One of the huge advance in sports is people being shown how to 'listen' to their bodies. I know where a risk exists and I make a judgement call about it.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It's just the nature of the beast. You can do as much rehab and play as many training games as you want at some point you have to begin to play relatively competitively. The idea - and it looks like the best one - is to play rehabilitating players in the u21s before they step up to the first team. The rigours of a game and the level of desire in competition will test the recovery to the next level.

It's a clear and obvious step between training and full competition - when recovery will be tested to the limit as the player will be fully committed.

Modern professional football is extremely demanding on the knees. The players are very fit and athletic, and asking more of their bodies than at any time previously.

I'm far from an expert but it's possible, say, that the Beard will have some kind of permanent structural weakness in a ligament or tendon and may never play at the same level again - like Coutts?

Otoh he may make a full recovery.

Whatever the case it's a huge disappointment, but it's not a huge surprise that he broke down. The advice at the u21s game was come off if you feel anything at any time. Apparently he did just that.

Fwiw I think he should have done this in the first place. At the game I said to WHF Jr Sr he really needed to get off the pitch immediately, but from memory he played on for several minutes - possibly till half time. I really hope this didn't cost him his career.

He didn't play on, he came off straight away off his own back.

 

[finlaytheblade]

My point is it's not Brayford who declares himself fit, with all the technology nowadays the physios' and management team can determine this and should not let him come back too soon, he's a valuable asset to us who needs nurturing along. Brayford is bound to say give it a try after sitting out quite a few months, he's going to be very eager to get back, it's upto the club as a whole to curb his enthusiasm and bring him back when fit. He obviously isn't otherwise he'd be back playing now and not pulling up in the first half of a soft as shit match in the U21's.

If he came back at Christmas then that's fine because that's when we expected him back but if he now doesn't play until way after Christmas then who's lost out? And there is no way i would be blaming Brayford for this who in the whole likelihood of events knows fuck all about coming back from an injury of this kind, that's why we have specialists in this department.

There is a standard time to come back for all types of injuries .s
Some get back within that standard time span others may take longer.No physio or doctor would force a player to come back before he is
ready that would be stupid.The player himself will have a big say as to when he makes a come back as it is his body and he and the physio,s
Will make the decision.You Wizardry and others like you're take every opportunity to knock the club even when you make stupid statements like this on.

 

[wizadry]

There is a standard time to come back for all types of injuries .s
Some get back within that standard time span others may take longer.No physio or doctor would force a player to come back before he is
ready that would be stupid.The player himself will have a big say as to when he makes a come back as it is his body and he and the physio,s
Will make the decision.You Wizardry and others like you're take every opportunity to knock the club even when you make stupid statements like this on.

 

[wizadry]

Nobody question why one of our best players who cost a lot of money has been brought back from injury too early, finlaytheblade has spoken.

As it happens i put a thought out their finners and i'm more than happy with the responses i've had. Did you want me to put it's good that they tried to bring Brayford back early just so he could get injured again?

Have a read through my last 100 posts or so finners just to see how many of them are knocking the club that is hugely underachieving. Don't bother, i'll tell you, not no where near enough for the shower we've put up with, lets hope Adkins can work wonders with the shit your man Clough has left us with.

 

[RealMcCoy]

Nobody question why one of our best players who cost a lot of money has been brought back from injury too early, finlaytheblade has spoken.

As it happens i put a thought out their finners and i'm more than happy with the responses i've had. Did you want me to put it's good that they tried to bring Brayford back early just so he could get injured again?

Have a read through my last 100 posts or so finners just to see how many of them are knocking the club that is hugely underachieving. Don't bother, i'll tell you, not no where near enough for the shower we've put up with, lets hope Adkins can work wonders with the shit your man Clough has left us with.

I think it's too simplistic to blame the club or anyone at the club for Brayford's predicament. The timing of any comeback would be through mutual agreement. There are no absolute tests of full fitness or recovery other than putting the muscles/ligaments to the ultimate stress of a competitive match performance. They're all adults and all professionals and how Brayford's feels about himself is a huge part of any assessment. Brayford's recovery (or lack of ) will not be the result of stupidity. To suggest that "the club" in some way is forcing/persuading him to try things before he is ready is, in my opinion, ridiculous.
He and his care team collectively deemed he was ready for a measured test in an environment with very little real pressure. We as yet don't know whether it was successful or not.

 

[Pedro Verde]

It looks like we tried to rush Brayford back. Yet another fuck up from the club, when will we learn.

When the first assesment was that he was out until atleast Christmas and he's trying to play at the end of November/start of October, then that has to be questioned when he cost us well over a million quid and our manager was a physio, what the fuck is happening at our club regarding injuries, we seem to have loads in recent times?

What evidence do you have that the club have 'fucked up' trying to bring Brayford back too quickly

His rehab was ahead of schedule according to the club medical staff and the player himself
You can only do so much running, training, practice matches until the time comes along when you have
to test it out in a competetive game which they did in the U21s. Brayford felt something and immediately walked off the pitch something he obviously didnt feel in his rehab they have done the sensible thing

 

[wizadry]

What evidence do you have that the club have 'fucked up' trying to bring Brayford back too quickly

His rehab was ahead of schedule according to the club medical staff and the player himself
You can only do so much running, training, practice matches until the time comes along when you have
to test it out in a competetive game which they did in the U21s. Brayford felt something and immediately walked off the pitch something he obviously didnt feel in his rehab they have done the sensible thing

My evidence is him coming back from injury then having a setback immediately, what more evidence do i need.

I have then gone on to accept the reasoning and see no reason to go any further, some people need to read all of my posts before they dive in.

 

[SouthportBlade]

People who think we messed up "rushing" Brayford back from injury are clueless.

We are professional football club, with professionally qualified physios and will undoubtedly seek advise from the medical team who have dealt with Brayford.

Part of the rehabilitation process is to test yourself to see what you can achieve. There isn't a green light that flicks on and says "Match Fit", everyone is different and everyone reacts/recovers differently.

There is not a chance in the world they would have played Brayford is they didn't think he was capable of playing 45 / 90 minutes whatever he was scheduled the play. The fact of the matter is he played 30+ minutes and felt fine, then felt a tweak. These things happen.

 

[wizadry]

People who think we messed up "rushing" Brayford back from injury are clueless.

I've been called worse things so thanks for the compliment

I must stress this though, while we have fucked up bringing him back early due to the setback one way or another, i have took the reasons on board and accept them for what they are, good valid ones, why is it so hard to accept that I was a tad harsh with my first post on the matter. I have already said it above your post Johnny, read it first please. I'm not clueless, I'm hastily clueless

 

[PeteBlade]

People with long term injuries are always more likely to get injured again.

Bugger all to do with them being rushed back.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

My evidence is him coming back from injury then having a setback immediately, what more evidence do i need.

I have then gone on to accept the reasoning and see no reason to go any further, some people need to read all of my posts before they dive in.

Did you actually see him perform for 37 minutes?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nobody question why one of our best players who cost a lot of money has been brought back from injury too early, finlaytheblade has spoken.

Has it been confirmed that he was brought back early? I thought he'd been running in training, so actually he was brought back when he should have been and just picked up a complication as a result of coming back from an injury.
I'm not sure how this is the fault of our medical team or Adkins if he'd been in training and then given a run out to test it.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Has it been confirmed that he was brought back early? I thought he'd been running in training, so actually he was brought back when he should have been and just picked up a complication as a result of coming back from an injury.
I'm not sure how this is the fault of our medical team or Adkins if he'd been in training and then given a run out to test it.

Totally agree with this, people are so eager to see the negative side and immediately jump of the board's back, NA, medical team, tea lady, programme seller, Osama Bin Liner - anyone!

Just seems he (and we) was unlucky on this occasion.

UTMB

 

[Revolution]

I don't blame Adkins or the board for Brayfords injury.

I do blame them for failing to get better defenders and/or midfielders in on loan despite the problem in these areas being apparent since the first game of the season.

 

[wizadry]

Has it been confirmed that he was brought back early? I thought he'd been running in training, so actually he was brought back when he should have been and just picked up a complication as a result of coming back from an injury.
I'm not sure how this is the fault of our medical team or Adkins if he'd been in training and then given a run out to test it.

I questioned and got put straight about it already so why is there a need to carry on about it Bob?

 

[wizadry]

Totally agree with this, people are so eager to see the negative side and immediately jump of the board's back, NA, medical team, tea lady, programme seller, Osama Bin Liner - anyone!

Just seems he (and we) was unlucky on this occasion.

UTMB

Let me try and see a positive in Brayford having a setback on his way back from injury, hang on, let me think, oh there isn't any but thanks for the contribution anyway.