Adkins on discipline and loans

[Sothall_Blade]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...blades-boss-on-discipline-and-loans-1-7492116

<< Nigel Adkins says he will not hesitate to wield the axe again if players fail to adhere to Sheffield United’s strict code of conduct.

Adkins, the United manager, issued the warning despite vowing to “protect” Che Adams after an off-the-pitch indiscretion led to him being dropped for Tuesday’s match against League One leaders Burton Albion.

Insisting that matter is now resolved - “We’ve dealt with it and moved on” - Adkins told The Star: “Everybody is aware of what I’m looking for from a discipline point of view. It’s very important, discipline. It’s part of taking pride in representing the football club.

“I’m big on that but I’ll protect the players too. Players know what I expect from them. We want everyone to strive to be at the highest level possible. It’s all part of that.”

Adams, an England under-20 international, could return to action at Port Vale this weekend after joining Matt Done and Florent Cuvelier in the under-21 squad which faced Wolverhampton Wanderers on Wednesday.

“This situation arose and we’ve dealt with it and moved on,” Adkins said. “Like everything in life, you need five positive experiences and one negative experience to learn from.”

Adkins, who also confirmed Jose Baxter has recovered from a groin complaint, insisted the return of players such as Paul Coutts, Ryan Flynn and Done had eased the pressure on United to make a quick entry into the emergency loan market.

Although officials at Bramall Lane privately believe one target, Fulham’s Dan Burn, will not be allowed to leave Craven Cottage until next year, they have held further talks with Leicester City aimed at signing Dean Hammond. The midfielder is thought to have signalled his interest in joining United but, while City will allow him to leave, sources in the Midlands last night reported their desire to review his future again in January could prove a stumbling block with Adkins known to prefer more concrete arrangements.>>

 

[Revolution]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...blades-boss-on-discipline-and-loans-1-7492116

Adkins, who also confirmed Jose Baxter has recovered from a groin complaint, insisted the return of players such as Paul Coutts, Ryan Flynn and Done had eased the pressure on United to make a quick entry into the emergency loan market.

You could see this statement coming a mile off. It must be in a script United managers are issued with for use after we don't strengthen in the loan window.

Shame that none of these returning players are centre backs or good quality central midfielders isn't it? (no, I do not rate Coutts, though would be happy to be proved wrong).

A lot of pressure on the players tomorrow. A poor performance at Vale and there will be a lot of dissatisfaction about the failure to get loans in, and rightly so.

 

[Barney]

You could see this statement coming a mile off. It must be in a script United managers are issued with for use after we don't strengthen in the loan window.

Shame that none of these returning players are centre backs or good quality central midfielders isn't it? (no, I do not rate Coutts, though would be happy to be proved wrong).

A lot of pressure on the players tomorrow. A poor performance at Vale and there will be a lot of dissatisfaction about the failure to get loans in, and rightly so.

Isn't it just wonderfully predictable?

The transparency of the powers that be at the football club is limitless.

All we need now is "we're waiting for JTW so that we can get permanent solutions rather than temporary"

Excuses, we're good at em.

 

[Revolution]

And if Adkins was known to prefer more concrete arrangments he should've used the transfer window better....

 

[Sean Thornton]

Eases the pressure to enter the loan market?

Yes, we have no bananas.

All we can hope is we get players out on loans and cut down the wage bill. Even then we are unlikely to spend big I'd guess.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Adkins when asked about Port Vale's start so far:

Yeah, it's like everybody, we respect everybody in the division, there's no easy games. And there shouldn't be. So we give them, we'll spend as much detail on them as we do with everybody else. But again we've gotta make sure that our players are aware (? adviced?) on that, but we wanna do what we wanna go and do, that's what we always strive to do, impose ourselves on the game to give ourselves a chance to go and win it.

It really won't be easy for interviewers to get much information out of him before games.

 

[maidmarion]

Oh dear, any mention of the loan system and of we go.
We can't just bring in any rubbish like we have in the past and players with any credentials are going to think long and hard about playing in this league. Yes we are Sheffield United and yes we are a big club with great facilities but we are in League One. We play League One teams . Not everyone wants to come down to this level so we have to be patient. We've also got to trust that Adkins knows what he is doing.

 

[Caseh]

It does make me laugh. The people that complain the loudest about the squad being filled with rubbish are the first to jump up and down and stamp their feet when we aren't willing to move away from our first targets.

 

[Revolution]

It does make me laugh. The people that complain the loudest about the squad being filled with rubbish are the first to jump up and down and stamp their feet when we aren't willing to move away from our first targets.

Dan Burn will not be leaving Fulham. Fulham have stated this publicly.

Accordingly, do we:

(a) move on to another target, as our first target will not be coming

or

(b) stop trying to get a player in, as our first target will not be coming.

Are you really advocating we take course (b)? Really?

 

[Geordie Blade]

Are you really advocating we take course (b)? Really?

Surely it depends on the quality of the next-best target. If they're not better than what we've got, or are too expensive them I'd say that it would be sensible to leave things as they are. Hopefully it won't come to that, but I don't think that people realise how difficult it is to find players that are:


(i) Available (i.e. not quite good enough for their current team)

(ii) Willing to join a League 1 club

(iii) Realistic in terms of wages

(iv) Better than what we already have (keeping in mind that if they were that good, they probably wouldn't fit category i)


If it was that easy, then all 24 managers in League 1 would be doing it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Surely it depends on the quality of the next-best target. If they're not better than what we've got, or are too expensive them I'd say that it would be sensible to leave things as they are. Hopefully it won't come to that, but I don't think that people realise how difficult it is to find players that are:


(i) Available (i.e. not quite good enough for their current team)

(ii) Willing to join a League 1 club

(iii) Realistic in terms of wages

(iv) Better than what we already have (keeping in mind that if they were that good, they probably wouldn't fit category i)


If it was that easy, then all 24 managers in League 1 would be doing it.

Which for me is all the more reason we should have been looking to sign the best, relatively young players from this league and the one below. Most of them fit within (i) to (iii). It's then just a case of finding those few who also tick (iv)

 

[1danewhitehouse]

examples being the likes of Goldson, Pierre, Morsy, Byrne, Dack etc. OK a couple of them have gone to the championship now but if you can identify them before a championship is prepared to take the plunge then there is good business to be had.

 

[Revolution]

Surely it depends on the quality of the next-best target. If they're not better than what we've got, or are too expensive them I'd say that it would be sensible to leave things as they are. Hopefully it won't come to that, but I don't think that people realise how difficult it is to find players that are:


(i) Available (i.e. not quite good enough for their current team)

(ii) Willing to join a League 1 club

(iii) Realistic in terms of wages

(iv) Better than what we already have (keeping in mind that if they were that good, they probably wouldn't fit category i)


If it was that easy, then all 24 managers in League 1 would be doing it.

Of course we want to get someone better than what we have, but I simply do not believe that it is that difficult to sign a good central defender in the 14 months since we've needed one. We have managed to sign decent players in other positions in this period (not enough of them, sadly, but that's another story)

 

[Bladesman]

Eases the pressure to enter the loan market?

Yes, we have no bananas.

All we can hope is we get players out on loans and cut down the wage bill. Even then we are unlikely to spend big I'd guess.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

To be fair, over that 14 months, the change of manager has seen Collins back in the fray and Edgar signed so CB has been strengthened somewhat. Still room for improvement though.

 

[Grecian2000]

Surely it depends on the quality of the next-best target. If they're not better than what we've got, or are too expensive them I'd say that it would be sensible to leave things as they are.

Why would our "next best target" not be better than what we'd already got?

He wouldn't be a target if he wasn't would he, he'd just be a player at another club?

I have no idea who our targets are, but after the mass hysteria and mutual wanking that seemed to accompany our announcement that we had a "new chief scout" I would have thought he might have people on his radar that could improve the team. Would be pretty high up in the "essential criteria" on the job description for me.

 

[AlienBlade]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...blades-boss-on-discipline-and-loans-1-7492116

<< Nigel Adkins says he will not hesitate to wield the axe again if players fail to adhere to Sheffield United’s strict code of conduct.

Adkins, the United manager, issued the warning despite vowing to “protect” Che Adams after an off-the-pitch indiscretion led to him being dropped for Tuesday’s match against League One leaders Burton Albion.

Insisting that matter is now resolved - “We’ve dealt with it and moved on” - Adkins told The Star: “Everybody is aware of what I’m looking for from a discipline point of view. It’s very important, discipline. It’s part of taking pride in representing the football club.

“I’m big on that but I’ll protect the players too. Players know what I expect from them. We want everyone to strive to be at the highest level possible. It’s all part of that.”

Adams, an England under-20 international, could return to action at Port Vale this weekend after joining Matt Done and Florent Cuvelier in the under-21 squad which faced Wolverhampton Wanderers on Wednesday.

“This situation arose and we’ve dealt with it and moved on,” Adkins said. “Like everything in life, you need five positive experiences and one negative experience to learn from.”

Adkins, who also confirmed Jose Baxter has recovered from a groin complaint, insisted the return of players such as Paul Coutts, Ryan Flynn and Done had eased the pressure on United to make a quick entry into the emergency loan market.

Although officials at Bramall Lane privately believe one target, Fulham’s Dan Burn, will not be allowed to leave Craven Cottage until next year, they have held further talks with Leicester City aimed at signing Dean Hammond. The midfielder is thought to have signalled his interest in joining United but, while City will allow him to leave, sources in the Midlands last night reported their desire to review his future again in January could prove a stumbling block with Adkins known to prefer more concrete arrangements.>>

if Adkins was that keen on "discipline" why did Baxter just swan straight back in following both the drug issue and his lack of on field discipline. funny how Baxter was never "deselected"

I also dont get what this whole issue with Leicester wanting to review Hammonds future again in January.... that's when his loan would finish so why does him being loaned in the mean time out stop this review occuring

 

[bladesadviser]

I think the problem is that it is mixed messages we get, I for one certainly don't want to pick up just anyone. It has to be someone who will go straight into the team however since NA has been here he has said at various times the following (forgive me if I paraphrase or in fact have imagined it!!)
"this squad isn't good enough for promotion"
"we tried to get some players in " on transfer deadline day which sort of implied he felt we needed some quality
" there is no hurry to go into the loan market"

If the last statement is due to players coming back from injury then the time frames were known for their return on deadline day so whats changed?

 

[BushBlade]

Surely it depends on the quality of the next-best target. If they're not better than what we've got, or are too expensive them I'd say that it would be sensible to leave things as they are. Hopefully it won't come to that, but I don't think that people realise how difficult it is to find players that are:


(i) Available (i.e. not quite good enough for their current team)

(ii) Willing to join a League 1 club

(iii) Realistic in terms of wages

(iv) Better than what we already have (keeping in mind that if they were that good, they probably wouldn't fit category i)


If it was that easy, then all 24 managers in League 1 would be doing it.

I'm not sure they would. Surely we have more pulling power than most clubs in this league. No one is saying it's easy, just possible.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

And if Adkins was known to prefer more concrete arrangments he should've used the transfer window better....

How do we know the club didn't use the transfer window to the best of its ability?

 

[Harry's Game]

It does make me laugh. The people that complain the loudest about the squad being filled with rubbish are the first to jump up and down and stamp their feet when we aren't willing to move away from our first targets.

I think a bigger worry is that we seem to fixate on one or two and don't have back up plans... That leads to panic buys scouted off YouTube such as Higdon.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

I would think in order to attract a player of proven ability down to this level would be almost impossible unless he is a gamble for what ever reason..
The better the player the bigger the money and the gamble has got to be unless it's some one like Billy or Brayford, who both came for a different reason ( God bless em ).
But for the most part I would imagine they are players who first of all demand not only good money but the security of a long contract, and a manager doesn't need many of those not to hit the floor running to be considered a failure and out of a job..........

 

[secretchief]

How do we know the club didn't use the transfer window to the best of its ability?

We can make reasonable inferences based on empirical facts, such as selling our best player and not replacing them adequately. It's totally fair to make evidence based assertions like this.

Just because we don't operate from an (impossible) position of Archimedean omniscience, having all possible data that would allow us to extrapolate every single possible permutation perfectly, it doesn't invalidate totally reasonable supposition like this.

What you don't do is just say we can't know everything so all bets are off. That's disingenuous.

 

[blade67]

the size of the current squad must also be a factor in why Adkins is struggling to bring in more players. Where I work, if I went to my boss and asked for 4 more staff when I already had 5 or 6 more than needed to do the job I'd be asked why I needed them. If my answer was that 7 or 8 weren't up to the job, I'd be told to bin them off and come back when I'd completed that task.

Harsh - but the reality of where the blades are at present

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

We can make reasonable inferences based on empirical facts, such as selling our best player and not replacing them adequately. It's totally fair to make evidence based assertions like this.

Just because we don't operate from an (impossible) position of Archimedean omniscience, having all possible data that would allow us to extrapolate every single possible permutation perfectly, it doesn't invalidate totally reasonable supposition like this.

What you don't do is just say we can't know everything so all bets are off. That's disingenuous.

You know what you were saying about straw men

Anyway...

And if Adkins was known to prefer more concrete arrangments he should've used the transfer window better....

I don't see this as reasonable, deductive, or evidence-based, or as a reasonable supposition. To me it's just a dig at the manager.

 

[secretchief]

More disingenuous pedantry.

We don't know that the club didn't use the transfer window to the best of its ability in the same way that we don't know that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun. This is hand waving.

We had an objectively poor window because we came out weaker, having shipped our best player out and not replaced them and promptly picked up fuck-all points at home.

How is the quote not reasonable or evidence based? How is it a dig?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

As before I really could get pedantic, but I'll leave all of that to one side.

I couldn't decide on these posts (possibly due to the handwaving content) but this

How is it a dig?

Seriously?

 

[Stickman]

We can make reasonable inferences based on empirical facts, such as selling our best player and not replacing them adequately. It's totally fair to make evidence based assertions like this.

Just because we don't operate from an (impossible) position of Archimedean omniscience, having all possible data that would allow us to extrapolate every single possible permutation perfectly, it doesn't invalidate totally reasonable supposition like this.

What you don't do is just say we can't know everything so all bets are off. That's disingenuous.

Looks like we got ourselves a reader...

 

[secretchief]

Seriously?

You think that quote is unreasonable. You think it lacks evidence. You think it's a dig.

You think it's unreasonable to suggest that Adkins, after expressing a preference for full transfers and bringing in a single loan during the window, could be said to have not used the window optimally.

You think that assertion is unreasonable.

And you think that making that observation is a dig.

And you reply to me saying 'seriously?'

 

[secretchief]

Looks like we got ourselves a reader...

You betcha