Ill discipline and leadership

[crucialkneeligaman]

Once again, In the cold light of day, the fact that another 3 points are lost through our own lack of discipline and leadership becomes apparent, it’s not a blip, it’s a trend. CW stated that “we aren’t an ill disciplined side”. I think he means that we haven’t had a series of fines this season for punch-ups at the end of games. That’s true, but there’s more to discipline than simply not behaving like a disorganised rabble. Preston, West Brom, Wrexham, Mansfield, Charlton to name just a few all lost due to our lack of professional discipline and inability to stay calm and focused when the game requires it. The speed of transformation in all these games (and others) from slick, competent professionals to headless chickens is alarming and repeating and will ultimately cost us any hope of a play-off challenge.

Who’s to blame for this? I think everyone takes a share. CW’s criticism of Brooks last week for ‘wandering all over the place’ was probably accurate but he’s the manager so bloody well do something about it during the game when it makes a difference. Leaving an attacker unmarked at the edge of the box against Mansfield and not addressing it, costing us 2 goals was downright sloppy and again not addressed in-match. Tanganga’s red yesterday was debatable but his in your face rant at the referee and subsequent crashing into the back of an opponent was plain stupid and counter-productive at a time when the team needed a calm head and to get to half time to get reset….and he’s the captain.

The exasperating thing for everyone is that this is a decent side who should be top 4 in the division on individual merit but now languishing in 17th place on collective inability to adapt to the context of a game. CW appears consistently unable to take responsibility or accountability and there’s no -one on the pitch who steps up to settle the side when needed. Poor leadership on and off the pitch leads to ill discipline during games and we are consequently giving games away - it’s so damn frustrating! We are more than good enough, on our day we are a tremendous team, but the ‘spine’ we need isn’t the traditional goalie, centre half and forward, it’s a core of mature, calm leadership starting with the manager and stretching down to an on field captain who reacts and responds to the game, not his own emotions.

Don' t know about being a top 4, tremendous team, but you are right about the rest.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Not impressive to you, but there may be others who would disagree ?

'Culture'

Comes from the boss.

It does indeed, and we're fortunate to have a boss who creates such a strong culture.

There are a noisy few on here who will never believe otherwise. Nice to have another thread to spell it out. Also important to say that you contribute enormously to this forum, it's just the tedium of coming back to anti-Wilder that gets a little wearing.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Excellent post!

I think you, of all people, calling other people’s posts boring is a bit rich. You’ve never added anything remotely useful to any discussion.

I get what you mean but it does come across as here is another opportunity to bash CW and to many of us that really does get boring. That's not to say the same posters don't contribute enormously to the forum with their knowledge and insight it is just this same old, same old business that tends to grate.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I would have thought that if fans stood on the terrace had worked out what the ref was going to be like, Tanganga could have done the same.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Do you have an official 'board police' badge, or are you just giving everybody the benefit of your wisdom again?

Both

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I said to a mate yesterday "if there's a self destruct button this lot will push it". The squad needs a wrecking ball taking to it. I'm not sure Wilder realises it. There's just too many sulkers and big egos rather than the running through brick walls and unity we need.

That said I think the reds were just unfortunate. Soumare has a modern overstretch studs showing red in him. I've known that for a long time. I think Tang just mistimed his jump. How we went from total cruise control (but having our customary lack of ruthlessness) to nine men was inexplicable.

Was it his debut vs Birmingham where he left one on Doyle? I put it down to first match rustiness/over-enthusisam, but probably not!

 

[Mumbo]

1st red card. it a certainly a red. but thats not ill discipline. unfortunately you see a carbon copy of that most weeks up & down the country. poor 1st touch & then panicked in try to rescue it making a rash challenge

2nd is incompetence from the referee as i said yesterday. if your going to punish every CB who doesnt win the 50/50 header. there will be alot of abandonments

Neither deserved a red.
We got shafted by several bad decisions.

 

[Balham]

Neither deserved a red.
We got shafted by several bad decisions.

Come off it. Soumaré's is about as obvious a red as you can get in 2026.

The thing which got Tanganga sent off though was the fact that Langford failed to take any action at all against Knibbs for a tackle on McCallum which was just as bad, a point he was making forcefully at the time of Knibbs' tackle and repeatedly after Soumaré's. The only difference was the outcome - Knibbs' leg was outstretched with his foot on the floor whereas McCallum's was off the ground.

I suppose the cynic in me would point out in bad taste that we've lost Soumaré until the end of the month, they've lost Knibbs for the rest of the season.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Come off it. Soumaré's is about as obvious a red as you can get in 2026.

The thing which got Tanganga sent off though was the fact that Langford failed to take any action at all against Knibbs for a tackle on McCallum which was just as bad, a point he was making forcefully at the time of Knibbs' tackle and repeatedly after Soumaré's. The only difference was the outcome - Knibbs' leg was outstretched with his foot on the floor whereas McCallum's was off the ground.

I suppose the cynic in me would point out in bad taste that we've lost Soumaré until the end of the month, they've lost Knibbs for the rest of the season.

I think people are thinking that because Soumare was clumsy rather than vicious, he shouldn't have been sent off. It's a red card. I think he was unlucky that he caught him, but you can't do that

 

[Balham]

I think people are thinking that because Soumare was clumsy rather than vicious, he shouldn't have been sent off. It's a red card. I think he was unlucky that he caught him, but you can't do that

The laws of the game are:

Definitions in Football (Soccer)

• Careless: A player shows a lack of attention or consideration when challenging, acting without precaution.
  • Sanction: No further disciplinary action (no card).
• Reckless: A player acts with complete disregard to the danger or consequences for their opponent.
  • Sanction: Must be cautioned (yellow card).
• Using Excessive Force: A player far exceeds the necessary force and endangers the safety of their opponent.
  • Sanction: Must be sent off (red card)

I can see the argument that Soumaré's challenge falls under reckless or even careless as it was completely rather than excessive force but the referees are always going to interpret a player putting their weight through the leg of an opponent as excessive force, even when there's no chance of avoiding contact. The outcome (endangering the safety of the opponent) is the key, not the action.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The laws of the game are:

Definitions in Football (Soccer)

• Careless: A player shows a lack of attention or consideration when challenging, acting without precaution.
  • Sanction: No further disciplinary action (no card).
• Reckless: A player acts with complete disregard to the danger or consequences for their opponent.
  • Sanction: Must be cautioned (yellow card).
• Using Excessive Force: A player far exceeds the necessary force and endangers the safety of their opponent.
  • Sanction: Must be sent off (red card)

I can see the argument that Soumaré's challenge falls under reckless or even careless as it was completely rather than excessive force but the referees are always going to interpret a player putting their weight through the leg of an opponent as excessive force, even when there's no chance of avoiding contact. The outcome (endangering the safety of the opponent) is the key, not the action.

Yeah, I'd say it comes under reckless. He was only thinking of recovering his mistake, not the consequences of his actions.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

I think you, of all people, calling other people’s posts boring is a bit rich. You’ve never added anything remotely useful to any discussion.

I feel the same about you. Incredibly rare I see you talk about football beyond standard buzzwords and clichés. Mostly you're trying to feel superior by getting into weird pointless debates.

Last time we interacted you suggested I wasn't fit to be a parent because I dont hate Chris Wilder like you do. You then sent me a pathetic personal message "apology" which was basically you boasting about how much smarter you are than everyone else on here and that I should therefore avoid debating you.