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[robbiez666]

We have been more successful in the past than Coventry. Won more trophies, had bigger crowds, have bigger crowds.

You can't just pick and choose which history you want to go with.

I can't believe it's an argument on whether we are bigger than Coventry City or not...

The only trophies we've won were in black and white. Talk about picking and choosing your history.

 

[robbiez666]

What?

We're probably in the top 20 biggest clubs off the top of my head.

We should be higher than where we currently are based on the potential of our club.

But be humble, and have respect for clubs who we are competing with at this moment, we're all on the same level right now and if they're doing better than us, it's on their own merit.

ah, but your definition of potential, I'm guessing, has to do with size. Size of city, size of crowds, size of stadium.

 

[PeteBlade]

I get abuse on here for being 'negative' yet I'm the one being asked to spoon feed other people on why we are a big football club.

The lack of ambition or pride really is quite sad.

Like some people are resigned to and have accepted mediocrity.

 

[Dec]

How about my life time watching them .I didnt get to pick or choose it like every one else during the psst 60 years.Our trophy wins are like bible stories .related to us by shepherds around at that time

By this logic, I can assume that Hitler has a clean slate for you? Or are you just discounting history not in your life time that suits your agenda?

 

[Rodley]

By this logic, I can assume that Hitler has a clean slate for you? Or are you just discounting history not in your life time that suits your agenda?

Wasn't our last trophy in the 1930s? I'm not sure that's going to be a winning hand in a 'my club is bigger than your club' competition. South Shields were in the 1st division at that point! And Bradford Park Avenue were still a league club!

 

[Dec]

Wasn't our last trophy in the 1930s? I'm not sure that's going to be a winning hand in a 'my club is bigger than your club' competition. South Shields were in the 1st division at that point! And Bradford Park Avenue were still a league club!

Do you think Coventry City are a bigger football club than Sheffield United? Ask yourself that.

In fact, do you also think fucking Wigan are bigger than us?

 

[robbiez666]

I get abuse on here for being 'negative' yet I'm the one being asked to spoon feed other people on why we are a big football club.

The lack of ambition or pride really is quite sad.

Like some people are resigned to and have accepted mediocrity.

Pete, unless I've missed a response (if so, apologies), the question was why we were a big big club apart from our size. All the stuff around potential and support is down to where the club is located and the size of the city. It's like saying Bristol Rovers is a big club.

We have no pedigree to speak of since the '70s. We've not won anything since 1925.

 

[Rodley]

Do you think Coventry City are a bigger football club than Sheffield United? Ask yourself that.

In fact, do you also think fucking Wigan are bigger than us?

It's not something I lose sleep over. I heard enough Pigs saying how big they are, it's their shtick, leave it to them.

I'd probably put us on par with Leicester, Coventry, WBA, Palace, Stoke, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Ipswich, Norwich, etc. Teams that have historically flitted between the top flight and the 2nd division. SWFC probably fall into that group. Leeds, Forest and Derby could argue to be above due to their successes which dwarf ours. Our natural level is top half of the Championship, bottom half of the Premiership.

Make no mistake though, having a decent ground and 20,000+ a week will be meaningless when we get into the Championship. We'll be back punching at our natural weight and will be just another fish in the pond. Not sure the "don't criticise the support because it's the biggest in the league" will have much mileage then, but I'm sure the usual suspects will carve out a new niche.

 

[judge]

It's not something I lose sleep over. I heard enough Pigs saying how big they are, it's their shtick, leave it to them.

I'd probably put us on par with Leicester, Coventry, WBA, Palace, Stoke, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Ipswich, Norwich, etc. Teams that have historically flitted between the top flight and the 2nd division. SWFC probably fall into that group. Leeds, Forest and Derby could argue to be above due to their successes which dwarf ours. Our natural level is top half of the Championship, bottom half of the Premiership.

Make no mistake though, having a decent ground and 20,000+ a week will be meaningless when we get into the Championship. We'll be back punching at our natural weight and will be just another fish in the pond. Not sure the "don't criticise the support because it's the biggest in the league" will have much mileage then, but I'm sure the usual suspects will carve out a new niche.

I cant wait to go to a football match where no one complains and everyone acts like
Perfect gentleman

Sounds like rugger

 

[robbiez666]

It's not something I lose sleep over. I heard enough Pigs saying how big they are, it's their shtick, leave it to them.

I'd probably put us on par with Leicester, Coventry, WBA, Palace, Stoke, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Ipswich, Norwich, etc. Teams that have historically flitted between the top flight and the 2nd division. SWFC probably fall into that group. Leeds, Forest and Derby could argue to be above due to their successes which dwarf ours. Our natural level is top half of the Championship, bottom half of the Premiership.
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And I think the fans of most of those clubs would probably object at being compared to us in terms of how big a club they are. Most have won cups, regularly been in the top flight or been in Europe in living memory.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

It's not something I lose sleep over. I heard enough Pigs saying how big they are, it's their shtick, leave it to them.

I'd probably put us on par with Leicester, Coventry, WBA, Palace, Stoke, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Ipswich, Norwich, etc. Teams that have historically flitted between the top flight and the 2nd division. SWFC probably fall into that group. Leeds, Forest and Derby could argue to be above due to their successes which dwarf ours. Our natural level is top half of the Championship, bottom half of the Premiership.

Make no mistake though, having a decent ground and 20,000+ a week will be meaningless when we get into the Championship. We'll be back punching at our natural weight and will be just another fish in the pond. Not sure the "don't criticise the support because it's the biggest in the league" will have much mileage then, but I'm sure the usual suspects will carve out a new niche.

If we went up this season then next season we would very probably be top four in attendances in the Championship, our natural weight based on potential attendances would be lower mid table- ish Premier League.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I agree we should be top but it is only September. None of the tables have sorted themselves out yet.

Doesn't excuse some poor performances from us but I don't even look at the table at this stage. Someone mentioned our position and points to me yesterday and it was met with a shrug.

 

[judge]

If we went up this season then next season we would very probably be top four in attendances in the Championship, our natural weight based on potential attendances would be lower mid table- ish Premier League.

11 th last time

 

[BushBlade]

Funny, I hear Man U and Liverpool fans on the radio phone-ins all the time but I never hear them arguing about who is the biggest club.

Wasn't this 'big club' shit made up by Pigs and Scum as some kind of compensation for being shite?

Maybe thirty years you could draw some kind of correlation between the amount of support and the success of a club and in its most basic form, it still has a bit of relevance, in that long term you need a reasonable fan base to sustain success at high level but above L1, having a couple of thousand more fans than another club makes next to fuck all difference.

 

[blade too long]

By this logic, I can assume that Hitler has a clean slate for you? Or are you just discounting history not in your life time that suits your agenda?

well to be fair to Hitler hes had very little influence on my life
you can only go on what you experience and as blades fan for 60 years its bordering on mediocre
I got the Currie years seen us top of the league for a couple of weeks till bests goal but after that ,...............................
theres been good days beating the pigs leicester away etc but in the main we dont get the coverage of a big club , and you have to ask why
the perception of us by others since the digital age started must be one of a well supported club not going anywhere
we started in the new prem but failed to stay there and have a smaller profile than Swansea now

these are realities
5 average to poor years in the top flight in the last 40 years are a fact
we should be doing better , but just being who we are gets us no advantage
as outside the city limits no one sees us as prem material

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm sorry but you can't wipe out the entire history of a football to suit an argument.

So like it or not, we ARE a big football club for this league.

That's why we are the main scalp for every single club in this league, even after 5 years of underachievement here.

Our attendances do count for something. As does our history. You don't get to wipe off previous achievements because they happened a long time ago.

All clubs with a history talk about it. Unless there's a cut off point for history that I'm unaware of?

It's completely wrong to say people outside of the city limits don't see our Premier League potential. Utterly incorrect.

There's so many reasons why we're a big football club and should be doing better.

Talking us down simply to point score against other fans who think we should be doing better won't change what we are.

It's time everyone associated with the club started showing a little bit more ambition.

 

[robbiez666]

you've still not told us what these so many reasons are?

Apart from size.

We are a big club, for this league. We're certainly not for the Championship.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I cant wait to go to a football match where no one complains and everyone acts like
Perfect gentleman

Sounds like rugger

Judge , the new Mr Cholmondley- Warner . . We better ask Grayson .

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

you've still not told us what these so many reasons are?

Apart from size.

We are a big club, for this league. We're certainly not for the Championship.

Our attendances (whether you think they count or not) our history (whether I'm allowed to mention it as it was a long time ago or not) our infrastructure and facilities, the players we've produced, the history of the game of football that was created at our football club.

There's a lot to be proud of at this club, I've no idea why our own fans would want to talk us down.

Other than as a way to snipe at people who think we should do be doing better.

 

[Bladesman]

Funny, I hear Man U and Liverpool fans on the radio phone-ins all the time but I never hear them arguing about who is the biggest club.

Wasn't this 'big club' shit made up by Pigs and Scum as some kind of compensation for being shite?

Maybe thirty years you could draw some kind of correlation between the amount of support and the success of a club and in its most basic form, it still has a bit of relevance, in that long term you need a reasonable fan base to sustain success at high level but above L1, having a couple of thousand more fans than another club makes next to fuck all difference.

They did seem to go on about being a bigger club when we were above them thats for sure. They will say anything other than admit that they are bang average Championship clubs at best at the moment.

 

[robbiez666]

Our attendances (whether you think they count or not) our history (whether I'm allowed to mention it as it was a long time ago or not) our infrastructure and facilities, the players we've produced, the history of the game of football that was created at our football club.

There's a lot to be proud of at this club, I've no idea why our own fans would want to talk us down.

Other than as a way to snipe at people who think we should do be doing better.

Attendance has a lot less to do with success than it used to. Leeds and Newcastle have large attendances because they are one-club major cities.
We have won nothing since 1925 - Many, if not the majority, of clubs in the leagues above have had more post-war success than us.
Our academy is I believe category one? We play in a division outside of the top 24 (I believe)
Crewe and Peterborough have produced a whole string of great players. I fail to see what correlation producing players and being a big club has.

I fail to this how any of the above makes us a big club. We are for this division (as are Wigan and arguably Coventry), but not for the Championship, let alone the Premiership.

It's not about bringing the club down or finding reasons to have a go at the club. It's about being realistic. We're realistically a top half Championship club who may have a few seasons in the top flight where we'll struggle.

 

[BushBlade]

Our attendances (whether you think they count or not) our history (whether I'm allowed to mention it as it was a long time ago or not) our infrastructure and facilities, the players we've produced, the history of the game of football that was created at our football club.

There's a lot to be proud of at this club, I've no idea why our own fans would want to talk us down.

Other than as a way to snipe at people who think we should do be doing better.

I don't see that as making us a big club, I see those things as making us a good club. One I'm proud to support.

 

[PeteBlade]

It's not about any one of the reasons, it's about ALL of them combined.

And yes, dismissing us and our history helps people justify the 5 long years of under achievement we've suffered in this league.

 

[SteveBlade]

It's embarrassing to even talk about really as it makes no difference to anything.

We're basically bigging ourselves up about something that no one in their right minds would give a shit about as they'd realise it's completely irrelevant.

The potential is there, but we're basically a good club with a solid fan base who have nothing/very little else that you could use in such a silly argument.

 

[PeteBlade]

Have your own way lads.

We're a tiny club with no history who are on par with the likes of Rotherham and Burton Albion.

Why should a tiny club like ours dream about getting promoted out of this god awful league.

We've found our level.

 

[Rodley]

It's not about any one of the reasons, it's about ALL of them combined.

And yes, dismissing us and our history helps people justify the 5 long years of under achievement we've suffered in this league.

Pete you're getting more and more obtuse. Who's justifying that in this thread? You've lost me completely.

As an aside, where do you see us in the 1-92 of football clubs? I'd say 15-25 is about right.

 

[SteveBlade]

Well no not really, Pete. I think all of us agree that we should be in the division above and competing well due to the resources we have available.

 

[Rodley]

Have your own way lads.

We're a tiny club with no history who are on par with the likes of Rotherham and Burton Albion.

Why should a tiny club like ours dream about getting promoted out of this god awful league.

We've found our level.

If you'd have ended that with "It's not rocket science" I wouldn't have blinked an eyelid

 

[him behind you]

Have your own way lads.

We're a tiny club with no history who are on par with the likes of Rotherham and Burton Albion.

Why should a tiny club like ours dream about getting promoted out of this god awful league.

We've found our level.

Unfortunately we're not currently even on a level with Rotherham

 

[blade too long]

I'm sorry but you can't wipe out the entire history of a football to suit an argument.

So like it or not, we ARE a big football club for this league.

That's why we are the main scalp for every single club in this league, even after 5 years of underachievement here.

Our attendances do count for something. As does our history. You don't get to wipe off previous achievements because they happened a long time ago.

All clubs with a history talk about it. Unless there's a cut off point for history that I'm unaware of?

Talking us down simply to point score against other fans who think we should be doing better won't change what we are.
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not wiped it out but after 60 barren years it carries no significance
all out trophies we won before talking pictures took off in 1928

Im ecstatic we won 4 fa cups and a league title , but all Ive ever done is read about it and seen a 30 second grainy video from miles away of our 1925 win
Its up to the club to provide something tangeable for the last 4 or 5 generations of fans who have been fed bird seed at the cage bottom when some clubs get mixed grill buffets at the top table

I am proud of our early history ,, but only by reputation , heresay I have never bore witness to any success
I want some digital mastered 3d colour video of us winning something
even the jp trophy or league 1 title