Chris Hughton pleased with our former best player

[blade too long]

Mind you, we've got money in the bank, and we've just dropped 8 out of 9 points.....

ah so now we get to the nitty gritty as weve lost 2 games we are hopelessly shit now

Id point out we had runs with murphy playing where we lost 2 games ,,, or more

but tthat doesnt fit in with your bilious vile club knocking

 

[blade too long]

tell me why did we lose games when our best player ever was here

surely its unthinkable we could lose or even draw a game when Murphy was here

 

[itsinyerblood]

ah so now we get to the nitty gritty as weve lost 2 games we are hopelessly shit now

Id point out we had runs with murphy playing where we lost 2 games ,,, or more

but tthat doesnt fit in with your bilious vile club knocking

You clearly aren't familiar with my posts. If I chose to post something that was truly anti United I would. What this does is demonstrate that we have a singular lack of ambition and that selling our better players is demonstration of that policy. Do you consider that anti United or a critique of the obvious?

Where's that list of players you said were available??????

 

[blade too long]

selling our best players is what I take issue with
he did fine 12 goals , though is mediocre
had he scored 18 to 24 youd have a point
he matches chris porter in goal scoring
and as Ive put was expecting far more from him in 2 games v Swindon games when mediocre players become good , sorry but he went missing
and Swindons forwards showed him up to be average

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I understand people's view that we should just move on- he isn't ours any more but you've got to admit we do seem to lose a key player every season.

Doesn't it make sense that a club that fails to gain promotion would lose its best player as said player shows ambition and ability to perform at a higher level?

It's be interesting to see data from other clubs.

Also, as I think WWF points out, besides, say, kidnapping how exactly do you force a player to a) stay and b) perform?

 

[Harry's Game]

selling our best players is what I take issue with
he did fine 12 goals , though is mediocre
had he scored 18 to 24 youd have a point
he matches chris porter in goal scoring
and as Ive put was expecting far more from him in 2 games v Swindon games when mediocre players become good , sorry but he went missing
and Swindons forwards showed him up to be average

Along with seemingly abolishing the capitol letter this is one of the most ridiculous posts ever. WTF has Chris Porter's goal scoring record got to do with us selling one of out most creative midfielders?

 

[blade too long]

in what dimension is 17 goals in 3 seasons our best ever player
82 games he played 18 goals is nearly 1 in 5

porter blinds that numbers wise and hes considered a joke


he was ok , this elevation to the scottish ronaldo really looks sad

 

[itsinyerblood]

selling our best players is what I take issue with
he did fine 12 goals , though is mediocre
had he scored 18 to 24 youd have a point
he matches chris porter in goal scoring
and as Ive put was expecting far more from him in 2 games v Swindon games when mediocre players become good , sorry but he went missing

There's a predictable tone to all of this.

Let's respond to some of your comments. Yes, Murphy wasn't always visible, that's poor.
Yes, maybe he should have scored more goals. I dare say his goal scoring matches certain other mediocre players, but you know what, despite your thoughts on Murphy, somehow, with all those negatives attached to him, unlike Porter, someone offered £1.5 million for a player that you think is poor. I guess it's your opinion versus a Championship manager's...just remind me, what position do Brighton hold at the moment? And as other posters have mentioned, this hopeless player is loved by the Brighton supporters....you couldn't make this up, really

 

[FTPE]

Doesn't it make sense that a club that fails to gain promotion would lose its best player as said player shows ambition and ability to perform at a higher level?

It's be interesting to see data from other clubs.

Also, as I think WWF points out, besides, say, kidnapping how exactly do you force a player to a) stay and b) perform?

Good point, but the player that pisses me off the most leaving was McDonald. Ok in hindsight it was a step up for him but at the time it shouldn't have been,both clubs were in similar boats.

 

[Harry's Game]

...and Nick Blackman has just scored again for Reading... Still he hasn't kept as many clean sheets as Simmonsen so by some of the earlier logic on this thread he must be shit.

 

[blade too long]

...and Nick Blackman has just scored again for Reading... Still he hasn't kept as many clean sheets as Simmonsen so by some of the earlier logic on this thread he must be shit.

took blackmann 2 seasons to score goals ad thats because he wasnt taking 8 penalties
he scored 3 one season then 4 now cos hes scored 5 hes good again .... really
thats why we slated our forwards aint it

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Doesn't it make sense that a club that fails to gain promotion would lose its best player as said player shows ambition and ability to perform at a higher level?

It's be interesting to see data from other clubs.

Also, as I think WWF points out, besides, say, kidnapping how exactly do you force a player to a) stay and b) perform?

Of course Bristol City sold their best player last summer, who had scored 24 goals the previous season, to Brighton. It thoroughly ruined their season.

 

[secretchief]

When anyone spoke against Doyle et al's constant inclusion in the team it was 'five successive blades managers know their business better than you'

Yet when teams above us in the league standings consistently cherry pick our best players it's 'what do they know?'

 

[raul]

Come on Blade Too Wrong I'll help.

No 1) Tony Currie

 

[blade too long]

IOll take criticism of our club but when people put we are the only league one club that sells its players
at least try and be honest
dont think theres one league one club thats not sold players , and you only sell the better ones , you release the shit

 

[blade too long]

Come on Blade Too Wrong I'll help.

No 1) Tony Currie

nice to see your current
yes selling Currie was our best ever player Murphys only fit to wipe his arse after a shit
Currie put 3000 on a gate
Murphy will never do that

not a subtle difference
like comparing a diamond to a lump of coal

 

[Rodders]

This thread is BTL's magnum opus.

 

[The_Green_Man]

Can't say I'm surprised by Hughton's comments regarding the way Jamie Murphy has acclimatised to Championship football. It seems JM had a hand in both the goals that gave Brighton the win against Rotherham, naturally Hughton couldn't be happier with his new acquisition's level of performance and his ability to influence a game.

Hope there's a lesson to be learned in all of this, but here we are, sitting on the money that we've been lead to believe will be spent on one of those players (unspecified of course) who are as good as JM and as plentiful so some of us have said. Truth is, here we sit on the JM fee. Of course it's the defence we need to strengthen, plus midfield too, but for christ's sake, in what is meant to be a promotion push, sitting on over a million quid does very little to satisfy my curiosity about the reasoning behind this sale.

Yes, I've heard all the reasons about wanting to play for Scotland etc, but you have to ask, who are SUFC here to please? Surely the club's needs come first? Just ask Man Utd whose interests they considered when their goalkeeper insisted on a move to Real Madrid? Or, somewhere in the mists of SUFC boardroom machinations, did someone decide that it wouldn't matter if we sold a significant player? Beginning a season with this type of attitude probably sums up so much about the way this club is run.

I would be extremely disappointed if the club kept hold of a player if he genuinely wanted away from the club. If the rumours are correct Strachan told Murphy that he needs to be playing in the Championship to force his way into the national team set up. This obviously means a great deal Jamie Murphy because he's just had a nipper and he has moved to the opposite end of the country to his family in order to better himself and pul on a national shirt.

Yes we could have played hard ball and done everything within out power to keep the player but for what? His heart isn't in it and this means we would most probably get substandard performance from him. He would be stealing a wage and not giving his all therefore what would be the point?

I have no issue in the club letting Jamie Murphy go because effectively our hands were tied as the player simply didn't want to be playing for us. I have issue with the money being sat in the bank account however and I hope that they do something about this as promised.

 

[Harry's Game]

took blackmann 2 seasons to score goals ad thats because he wasnt taking 8 penalties
he scored 3 one season then 4 now cos hes scored 5 hes good again .... really
thats why we slated our forwards aint it

So just to clarify your position then you are perfectly content with these transfer decisions that have been made over the last four years and you belive the club is now in a stronger position because of them?

That is what you are saying isn't it?

 

[blade too long]

So just to clarify your position then you are perfectly content with these transfer decisions that have been made over the last four years and you belive the club is now in a stronger position because of them?

That is what you are saying isn't it?

Im saying players come players go ,
When Murphy first come he got as much stick as Woolfords getting now
we as a club improved him

he got the chance to jump a level , thats football sometimes the club gets no say in it

are you unaware of where we are , do you think we can force players to stay
these are things that will improve when we go up a league , a bit
but then comes the quantam leap to compete in the prem
we hold as much clout as bradford just now , when you realise that instead of thinking we were in the prem for a season , by the way bradford stayed 2 seasons
but never got 38 points in either season , football is really cruel sometimes

 

[Harry's Game]

"are you unaware of where we are"

I am painfully aware of where we are, I also seem to more aware of why we are here than you.

The blue print of how a club our size gets out of this League was written by Teams like Norwich, Southampton, Leeds and Wendensday.. For some reason we haven't followed it.

 

[Kenilworth]

We did at the start of season 2.

Of course we kept everyone of note at the start of season 1, which is why we were promoted that season.

See post #9

 

[blade too long]

I am painfully aware of where we are, I also seem to more aware of why we are here than you.

The blue print of how a club our size gets out of this League was written by Teams like Norwich, Southampton, Leeds and Wendensday.. For some reason we haven't followed it.

blueprint only norwich got out straight away
which other club got their center forward sent to jail with 3 games left stopping us doing it
if you can pin the blame on the club for that ok
we have been in 3 play offs so cant say we arent trying 3rd 5th 7th 5th , not a million miles off is it
frustrating hell yes

 

[Harry's Game]

none of those you mentioned got 90 points either

The one season we had The best players available at the level...THATS MY POINT!!

 

[blade too long]

but weve been up there all along
all 4 seasons we have been in the top 7 of 24
people go on like we are dangling above league 2

like now , we have 6 key players out injured , but no one cares about that, all they care about is someone not at our club ,,, just dont get it
do they think we might get him back , and if we did would things be better, werent last season was it
your arguing we miss him yet moaning we werent good enough ,, with him

do you see that or is it just me
to me Brayford getting injured when we were winning 1-0 v swindon , that hurt us , Murphy playing in both didnr help us did it we then let in 7 in just over an hour of the tie
wasnt Murphy supposed to be helpimg out in defence

 

[LoughboroBlade]

See post #9

It was an undisclosed f(r)ee wasn't it?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I have no issue in the club letting Jamie Murphy go because effectively our hands were tied as the player simply didn't want to be playing for us. I have issue with the money being sat in the bank account however and I hope that they do something about this as promised.

Agreed.

If the money is not spent then it looks a lot like the recruitment process needs improving - as even if Target A is not or becomes not available then it makes sense to have Target B.

Taking the case of Burn at face value - and I've no reason not to it would've strengthened our hand if we could've said: OK that detail is a sticking point, we'll have to go elsewhere. That might have changed the outcome.

Of course it's possible all this and a lot more went on, but the longer we sit on the money the worse it appears.

That said, I'm always aware that we are running at a loss and maybe should be grateful even for Scottish dwarves, and Adkins had very publicly backed the recruitment team on a number of occasions.

 

[Harry's Game]

but weve been up there all along
all 4 seasons we have been in the top 7 of 24
people go on like we are dangling above league 2

like now , we have 6 key players out injured , but no one cares about that, all they care about is someone not at our club ,,, just dont get it
do they think we might get him back , and if we did would things be better, werent last season was it
your arguing we miss him yet moaning we werent good enough ,, with him

do you see that or is it just me

Anytime This club does not finish in the top two whilst it is in the Third Division it's a failure, do you see that or is it just me?

 

[blade too long]

Anytime This club does not finish in the top two whilst it is in the Third Division it's a failure, do you see that or is it just me?

yes its just you
I want us to finish top 2 , but we have no divine right to it
ambition wise we are huge , just need to collect a few more points over 46 games
took stoke preston and Burnley years to get out of this level
swansea took twenty odd years to climb out of div 4
young fans wouldnt believe that

 

[itsinyerblood]

I would be extremely disappointed if the club kept hold of a player if he genuinely wanted away from the club. If the rumours are correct Strachan told Murphy that he needs to be playing in the Championship to force his way into the national team set up. This obviously means a great deal Jamie Murphy because he's just had a nipper and he has moved to the opposite end of the country to his family in order to better himself and pul on a national shirt.

Yes we could have played hard ball and done everything within out power to keep the player but for what? His heart isn't in it and this means we would most probably get substandard performance from him. He would be stealing a wage and not giving his all therefore what would be the point?

I have no issue in the club letting Jamie Murphy go because effectively our hands were tied as the player simply didn't want to be playing for us. I have issue with the money being sat in the bank account however and I hope that they do something about this as promised.

In principle I have some sympathy with those feelings. An unhappy player might not be someone we'd want to retain....but flip that coin over and you could also have someone you can send a message out to the rest of the squad, that the club isn't a soft touch and has it's own future to consider. Although on a completely different level, but one that has even greater set of problems to consider. Man Utd's keeper, De Gea, was eager to leave Man U and sign to Real Madrid, on a salary reported to exceed what Man Utd were offering. The club resisted De Gea's wish and as a result he recently signed a new contract at MU. No doubt De Gea still harbours wishes to leave for Real Madrid, but for the moment we've witnessed a club thinking about its interests above those of a player. That sends out a firm message to any other player who thinks they can simply hand in a transfer request and get their way.

No doubt all manner of haggling could have been conducted with Murphy, with possible written assurances that he could leave if we didn't achieve promotion this term. It wouldn't be in his interests to play poorly, so we retain his services while preparing for his departure, but from all we've been told it was a simple matter of transfer handed in and the player leaves shortly after. Barely a whimper raised from within the club other than "we can't do a thing to stop this". Hardly a convincing stance from a club with promotion in it's sights.