Che Adams

[Bladeinleeds]

That's Reed 3 years, DCL 3 years, Diego 2 years, all during this pre-season.
Che next hopefully. Four years would make most sense given his stellar potential (& already proven ability).
It'd be madness to leave things to fate by leaving him on his existing contract.

Being fair on reed. He was only 17 last season. He's not going to be dominating midfield yet.

But we could have a cracking player on our hands as he develops.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

In fact the more I think about 4-3-3 at home the more I like it!

On recent form I would go with...

Long

Freeman - Collins - Jay M - MacFadz


Done - Bash - Murph


Adams
Sammon - Sharp


With Adams sitting centrally just behind S&S as he is able to pick the ball up from MF and run with it with great effect.

Could be on to a winner at home

Thoughts?

Do like it , but we would get over run in midfield . Could finish up with more 5-5 draws.

UTB

 

[Barney]

In fact the more I think about 4-3-3 at home the more I like it!

On recent form I would go with...

Long

Freeman - Collins - Jay M - MacFadz


Done - Bash - Murph


Adams
Sammon - Sharp


With Adams sitting centrally just behind S&S as he is able to pick the ball up from MF and run with it with great effect.

Could be on to a winner at home

Thoughts?

Probably a tad too open in midfield for my liking.

I'd go for something a little more like this:

Howard
Freeman, New C/H, New C/H, Harris
Basham
Done, Murphy
Adams
Sharp, Sammon

With Adams and Basham dropping/coming up to central midfield to tighten things up when we are without possession.​

 

[Darthblade]

Surely you don't include Terry Robinson?

Funnily enough ...... I think he was one of the bigger ones
UTB & FTP

 

[SUFC Guy]

I would have either of the center backs pushing forward when required. Sammon and Done have the energy to keep their fullbacks occupied and I would imagine them not pushing too far forward against us. I just feel that that front 3 would scare the $hitzenfluzen out of any opposition defenders.When out of possession Done and Sammon would drop back in a more wide midfield role - they have the energy to.

I think that NA may leave 2 up front on us defending corners - something that NC definitely did not do! Actually think it happened a couple of times on Sunday.

All in all there will be more positive tactics employed - that's a satisfying certainty

UTB

 

[Guesty]

You're all tripping if you think we're going to play with three forwards and Murphy, never mind Done as well

At the most three of those players will start any given game.

 

[BushBlade]

He reminds me a lot of Stan Collymore CB,with his running at/past defenders and shooting from distance,plus an eye for a pass..great prospect,and I think he'll have a big season and maybe force his way in to the starting 11.

Let's hope he doesn't start slapping women around and watching couples shagging in a car park.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

I am pretty sure there are rules on how long you can tie kids into contracts? 18 and under is three years maximum I think?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Being fair on reed. He was only 17 last season. He's not going to be dominating midfield yet.

But we could have a cracking player on our hands as he develops.

He had a good cameo on Sunday, played intelligently when he came on, good positional sense, used the ball well. He'll play a part this season, he'll certainly develop into a player, clearly has a footballing brain. How many CMs are anything like the finished article at 17? There are those writing him off after he understandably faded at the back end of last season. I have no doubt he'll go on to shove it down their throats.

 

[AnonymousBlade1995]

The wing!!?? I dont think so

i think he could work well there cutting inside in to the box if we played him as an attacking winger with free roam

 

[Sheffsteel]

All this praise and confidence that Che will fulfil his potential.

I hope his agent isn't reading this because there's a good chance Che might do a Raheem Stirling on us.

Let's assume he's currently on £2K a week, surely he's currently one of the lowest paid players in our squad.

Should our club pay up if he demands £10K a week?
What his agent demands £15K a week or says he's off to the highest bidder?

What if our club meet his demands and pay him £10K a week then raise prices next season to £30+ per match and then come out with a similar line to SWFC like "in order to keep our best players and show ambition we need to stay financially competitive by raising prices to realistic levels"

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

All this praise and confidence that Che will fulfil his potential.

I hope his agent isn't reading this because there's a good chance Che might do a Raheem Stirling on us.

Let's assume he's currently on £2K a week, surely he's currently one of the lowest paid players in our squad.

Should our club pay up if he demands £10K a week?
What his agent demands £15K a week or says he's off to the highest bidder?

What if our club meet his demands and pay him £10K a week then raise prices next season to £30+ per match and then come out with a similar line to SWFC like "in order to keep our best players and show ambition we need to stay financially competitive by raising prices to realistic levels"

Needs to score a league goal first this season, then another, then another etc.

 

[Cheebley]

In fact the more I think about 4-3-3 at home the more I like it!

On recent form I would go with...

Long

Freeman - Collins - Jay M - MacFadz


Done - Bash - Murph


Adams
Sammon - Sharp


With Adams sitting centrally just behind S&S as he is able to pick the ball up from MF and run with it with great effect.

Could be on to a winner at home

Thoughts?

Im liking that alot and theres plenty of room to move it around with the likes of Baxter, flynn, wallace, scouggs etc coming in. Not heard much about scouggs, have i missed something?

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

All this praise and confidence that Che will fulfil his potential.

I hope his agent isn't reading this because there's a good chance Che might do a Raheem Stirling on us.

Let's assume he's currently on £2K a week, surely he's currently one of the lowest paid players in our squad.

Should our club pay up if he demands £10K a week?
What his agent demands £15K a week or says he's off to the highest bidder?

What if our club meet his demands and pay him £10K a week then raise prices next season to £30+ per match and then come out with a similar line to SWFC like "in order to keep our best players and show ambition we need to stay financially competitive by raising prices to realistic levels"

Might...let's assume...should our club?...what if?...

All sorts of things could happen.

I'd be surprised, frankly, if reading this forum suddenly caused a light bulb to switch on in his agent's head as to the level of the lad's current wage and the possible level of his future wage. The agent will be aware of Adams' potential, as will Adams, as will the club. Presumably, at some point in the near future, discussions/negotiations will take place. We have to hope that everyone is sensible and something acceptable to all parties is the result. It would certainly be nice to have the player with us for some time to come as he looks a real prospect.

In the end, any player might do a Raheem Sterling on us. The odds are against it happening here, I think, but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Slim Man]

Im liking that alot and theres plenty of room to move it around with the likes of Baxter, flynn, wallace, scouggs etc coming in. Not heard much about scouggs, have i missed something?

He's still crying on Twinstagrabook about having to return from his holiday to 'work'.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Im liking that alot and theres plenty of room to move it around with the likes of Baxter, flynn, wallace, scouggs etc coming in. Not heard much about scouggs, have i missed something?

Only playing with 1 CM would be disastrous, the idea of 4-3-3 is to play with 3 central midfielders, Basham in that formation would be left overrun.

The signs have been that'll it'll be 4-4-2, and I think that suits our squad down to the ground, Id like to see:

- - - - - - - - - - - - New GK - - - - - - - - - - - -

Freeman - - New CB - - New CB - - Harris

Woolford - - Wallace - - Basham - - Murphy

- - - - - - - - - - Adams - - Sharp - - - - - - - - - - -

Close between Baxter and Wallace.

 

[Slim Man]

Only playing with 1 CM would be disastrous, the idea of 4-3-3 is to play with 3 central midfielders, Basham in that formation would be left overrun.

The signs have been that'll it'll be 4-4-2, and I think that suits our squad down to the ground, Id like to see:

- - - - - - - - - - - - New GK - - - - - - - - - - - -

Freeman - - New CB - - New CB - - Harris

Woolford - - Wallace - - Basham - - Murphy

- - - - - - - - - - Adams - - Sharp - - - - - - - - - - -

Close between Baxter and Wallace.

3 different systems got promoted last season. 3-5-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2. So it just shows there is no guaranteed successful formation, it's just about using the players at your disposal to the best of their ability. I think 4-4-2 is the most familiar to our lot.

Think we'll see a lot of the 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 this season, we haven't nearly got enough strength to play 3 at the back although Bristol did piss it using that formation.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

3 different systems got promoted last season. 3-5-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2. So it just shows there is no guaranteed successful formation, it's just about using the players at your disposal to the best of their ability. I think 4-4-2 is the most familiar to our lot.

Think we'll see a lot of the 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 this season, we haven't nearly got enough strength to play 3 at the back although Bristol did piss it using that formation.

Totally agree, just feel that 4-4-2 will be our 'default' setting.

What baffles me when people select their preferred starting 11/formation is when they select the likes of Murphy/Done in centre midfield, or ask attacking players to tuck in and do a defensive duty.

Players should be played in their proper positions, square pegs square holes.

Now, dont get me wrong if I had to sell either Murphy or Baxter I would pick Jose, but if I had to pick them for a centre midfield spot it would be Baxter - because he's better in that position.

So far thankfully Adkins has done this* - Ive not had to watch a striker being played as a winger yet which is always a bonus.



*Kieron Wallace apart, and lets face it, I dont think even he knows where he's best played at this level.

 

[BushBlade]

3 different systems got promoted last season. 3-5-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2. So it just shows there is no guaranteed successful formation, it's just about using the players at your disposal to the best of their ability. I think 4-4-2 is the most familiar to our lot.

Think we'll see a lot of the 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 this season, we haven't nearly got enough strength to play 3 at the back although Bristol did piss it using that formation.

The key is to identify your best players and play to their strengths, for example, you wouldn't want to play 532 because Murphy isn't a wing back. And as HCDM has said, you wouldn't play him CM either. He can play up front but we have several good strikers so it would be a waste playing him there.
It does look like we'll play something like a 442 but probably tweaked at times to be more of a 4411 or 4231, depending on how well we control the game and how much we can push the wide midfielders forward and, of course, how the opposition sets up.
As you say, the main thing is to have a formation that suits the players we have.

 

[Slim Man]

Totally agree, just feel that 4-4-2 will be our 'default' setting.

What baffles me when people select their preferred starting 11/formation is when they select the likes of Murphy/Done in centre midfield, or ask attacking players to tuck in and do a defensive duty.

Players should be played in their proper positions, square pegs square holes.

Now, dont get me wrong if I had to sell either Murphy or Baxter I would pick Jose, but if I had to pick them for a centre midfield spot it would be Baxter - because he's better in that position.

So far thankfully Adkins has done this* - Ive not had to watch a striker being played as a winger yet which is always a bonus.



*Kieron Wallace apart, and lets face it, I dont think even he knows where he's best played at this level.

I don't mean to sound rude or patronising here when I say this, but the people who only choose one 'proper' central midfielder just don't know football.
The 4-3-3 isn't about using 4 wingers, it's 3 midfielders and 3 attackers.

Wallace will develop as a centre half if he wants to make it here IMO. His competition is too stiff at centre mid.

 

[ghandi]

Might...let's assume...should our club?...what if?...

All sorts of things could happen.

I'd be surprised, frankly, if reading this forum suddenly caused a light bulb to switch on in his agent's head as to the level of the lad's current wage and the possible level of his future wage. The agent will be aware of Adams' potential, as will Adams, as will the club. Presumably, at some point in the near future, discussions/negotiations will take place. We have to hope that everyone is sensible and something acceptable to all parties is the result. It would certainly be nice to have the player with us for some time to come as he looks a real prospect.

In the end, any player might do a Raheem Sterling on us. The odds are against it happening here, I think, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Does anyone know if Che actually has an agent btw?

 

[Barney]

A double tonight, turning into a goal machine. Get him signing an extension ASAP

 

[Leonardo Green]

SIGN HIM UP NOW.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

I don't mean to sound rude or patronising here when I say this, but the people who only choose one 'proper' central midfielder just don't know football.
The 4-3-3 isn't about using 4 wingers, it's 3 midfielders and 3 attackers.

Wallace will develop as a centre half if he wants to make it here IMO. His competition is too stiff at centre mid.

It might be his best position too in the same way that Jagielka was an average, at best midfielder, despite what he thought himself, but was an excellent defender. He would never have had a Premier league, let alone a England career, in midfield

 

[LoughboroBlade]

It might be his best position too in the same way that Jagielka was an average, at best midfielder, despite what he thought himself, but was an excellent defender. He would never have had a Premier league, let alone a England career, in midfield

He would have still had a Premier League career, but a distinctly average one. He did after all play a lot of games in midfield for us in the Premier League, and let's not forget he was signed as a midfielder by Moyes - playing there the first season. I was at Goodison Park in his first season for their game vs Middlesbrough - he played alongside Phil Neville (which alongside the Monty-Leggy duo ranks as one of the worst centre midfield pairings I've seen live) and Everton fans I spoke to thought at £4m we'd robbed them. He looked awful. Stubbs, Lescott and Yobo were initially all ahead of him for the middle of defence.

 

[SB_90]

Wondering whether to pretend che Adams is awful til Sept 1st. So none of the premier or championship teams want to temped our board

 

[Blade82]

Where as Adams been playing? He's an exciting prospect and hats off to clough for picking him up, I think clough may regret not giving him more of an opportunity last year

 

[AnonymousBlade1995]

Does anyone know if Che actually has an agent btw?

http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2014/10/fc-agency-sign-young-talent-che-adams/
Managed by these guys FC Agency

 

[AnonymousBlade1995]

Where as Adams been playing? He's an exciting prospect and hats off to clough for picking him up, I think clough may regret not giving him more of an opportunity last year

he came on for JCR didn't go but i am guessing he came on as a winger

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

He would have still had a Premier League career, but a distinctly average one. He did after all play a lot of games in midfield for us in the Premier League, and let's not forget he was signed as a midfielder by Moyes - playing there the first season. I was at Goodison Park in his first season for their game vs Middlesbrough - he played alongside Phil Neville (which alongside the Monty-Leggy duo ranks as one of the worst centre midfield pairings I've seen live) and Everton fans I spoke to thought at £4m we'd robbed them. He looked awful. Stubbs, Lescott and Yobo were initially all ahead of him for the middle of defence.

I think that he would have had 1 more season as a premier league midfielder then he would either have slipped back to the Championship or languished in Everton's reserves. I thought that he was an excellent right back.
Neville and Jags in midfield....now that is poor