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I will be very happy with runners up , but that is a bit over the top even bordering on comic Ali or south Barnsley fan standards
 



grafikhaus said:
The difference is that teams like Wolves (and us) can be confident of future revenue if/when we go up. Wigan have had their fun and well done to them (in a MKD-esque way - pitiful crowds, no history or tradition and obviously being bankrolled 'on the quiet'). But they are now reverting back to the natural order of things.
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I would hope you are right longer term and I wouldn't see them getting into the PL again. However, they have the cash this year to get back to the Championship.

United have to resist any approach for Done just because Wigan have cash now. McDonald had a trigger valuation which caused us to sell, hopefully there is no such thing for Done and we tell them to do one.
 
Just looked on the BBC at Wigan and their signings so far are nothing to be that worried about. I don't doubt they have the spending power due to parachute payments but they have a rookie manager in a league they haven't been in in a number of years. They should be more scared of us now we have Adkins.

With regards to Done, I hope that he'd be more loyal than to join Wigan, even if they increase his wages. He might be getting paid more but he'd not be playing in front of 6,000 noisy away fans at Barnsley, he'd be playing in front of 200 quiet fans. He wouldn't be playing in front of 20,000 fans at home games either. However, it is quite sad that money dictates in football and often, players may not take these things into account and just go where the money is. Lets hope Done is different.
 
Always think of Wigan as the counter to the "Big 6" excuses for sucking away all the cash in the game.

About 2 years into the existence of the Premier League, David Dein was interviewed explaining how it was right that Arsenal got all the money.... "...we have a different objective to the likes of Scarborough and Wigan....so the money has to come to us" (both those clubs in the 4th division with no evidence they'd ever get further than that at the time).

I thought - "no you don't... every club's target is to win the European Cup...but obviously it's at a different point on a different horizon for most clubs".

A few years later Wigan were above Arsenal in the league for a short while.

So, I think we should all wish Wigan well as the club that really stuffed it up the establishment clubs. (just not this season though :-)
 
Some of us have a lot of respect for Dave Whelan ,even to the point of his forthright and possible misunderstood comments in the past few years.

All he did was tell at as it was, no political correctness. We should also remember his "support" during the Tevez period.

If the king of Wigan is now dead (in literary terms), long live the king certainly doesn't apply to his family replacement.

I utterly detest this "big club" mentality portrayed by certain clubs (pigs and Wolves immediately spring to mind) but to suggest they are a BIG club is just showing how mentality deranged some people are. I wish them a great fall, because that is what will become of them. As a club they need the Prem money to make them what they are and without it they will sink right back from where they came.

I like to look on stories like Wigan and Bournemouth with interest, but they could at least be humble in their approach.

Anyway, that's just made up my mind for boxing day and we might just have more fans than them on that particular day - wouldn't that be nice to stick up their proverbial.

Songs for that day "shit ground, crap fans", "we've got more fans than you", "empty seats, empty seats" and to finish......"Jingle bells, jingle bells, oh what fun it is to see United win away" !!!!!!

UTB
 
All we need to do is semd a picture of their away support from any game to him and add big , my arse

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they just pipped blackpool whos fans were protesting
under 7% of their fans travel away
 
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blade too long said:
All we need to do is semd a picture of their away support from any game to him and add big , my arse

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they just pipped blackpool whos fans were protesting
under 7% of their fans travel away
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Interesting figure from Millwall - 1,022 fans - that means we can expect 2,000 coppers the day their scummy fans turn up.

No doubt I won't be able to walk back down Bramall Lane either - thought we had free movement in the EU.

UTB
 
Wigan may have some money but they will never be a big club despite a few trophies.
 



blade too long said:
didnt squander it though did we we got the points
cant remember us losing when 3-0 up
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Maybe but I share the sentiment. I'm rarely totally confident even if we're 3-0 up with ten to go. Football always has a habit of biting you in the arse.

Wigan are an interesting one. My understanding is that their parachute payments were two years at £30m and two at £15m. Wolves were the same, I think, so because they dropped straight through, they got £30m and took a reduction of about £5m in TV revenue.
Wigan, on the other hand, spent two years in the championship so will suffer a total reduction of £20m in revenue this season. Unless Whelan is prepared to cover that, they've got some serious cutbacks to make.
Invariably, this means selling off your best and highest paid players and replacing them with cheaper options. That isn't impossible but usually takes a manager with experience and proven ability.
In appointing Caldwell they're taking a massive gamble. It may pay off but the odds are against it IMO.
And that's the other difference between Wolves and Wigan; Wolves appointed an experienced manager with a track record. Like we've done, as the penny seems to have dropped.

I can't believe they didn't go for NA, of one of several managers with a record of promotions from L1 but I guess that's what happens when you put someone in charge who, at his age, is usually getting his first electric razor as a present, not a football club.
 
BushBlade said:
Maybe but I share the sentiment. I'm rarely totally confident even if we're 3-0 up with ten to go. Football always has a habit of biting you in the arse.

Wigan are an interesting one. My understanding is that their parachute payments were two years at £30m and two at £15m. Wolves were the same, I think, so because they dropped straight through, they got £30m and took a reduction of about £5m in TV revenue.
Wigan, on the other hand, spent two years in the championship so will suffer a total reduction of £20m in revenue this season. Unless Whelan is prepared to cover that, they've got some serious cutbacks to make.
Invariably, this means selling off your best and highest paid players and replacing them with cheaper options. That isn't impossible but usually takes a manager with experience and proven ability.
In appointing Caldwell they're taking a massive gamble. It may pay off but the odds are against it IMO.
And that's the other difference between Wolves and Wigan; Wolves appointed an experienced manager with a track record. Like we've done, as the penny seems to have dropped.

I can't believe they didn't go for NA, of one of several managers with a record of promotions from L1 but I guess that's what happens when you put someone in charge who, at his age, is usually getting his first electric razor as a present, not a football club.
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but you balance this with a huge wage bill no longer funded by Whelan gates that dropped from 18000 to 10000 and will drop to half that next season
so a 28 million quid wage bill v 4 million income so 15 million only begins to bridgr the gap
 
blade too long said:
didnt squander it though did we we got the points
cant remember us losing when 3-0 up
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I remember winning 3-0 at home to Reading in October 1986 but Reading got 3 quick goals in 5 minutes in the middle of the 2nd half with Trevor Senior causing us problems. I was surprised no further goals were scored after that
 
blade too long said:
but you balance this with a huge wage bill no longer funded by Whelan gates that dropped from 18000 to 10000 and will drop to half that next season
so a 28 million quid wage bill v 4 million income so 15 million only begins to bridgr the gap
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Sorry, that's what I'm trying to say. They've already had to cut back after relegation from the PL and now they're facing more. It takes a quality manager to navigate through that, as we well know. Caldwell may be the next Ferguson for all I know but the odds are against it. More likely he's the next Weir.
I have a simple theory, if three consecutive managerial appointments don't work out, you're in trouble. If a fourth doesn't, you're in the shit. And the deeper you get into the shit, the better the manager needed to get you out of it. And if they start paying over the odds wages for L1 players, they could be storing up even more trouble for the future.
 
Blade58 said:
Gary Caldwell and David Sharpe.

Not confident are they?



Sharpe: "I don't just want to win this league. I want to smash it and get 100 points."

Sharpe:"We have a good budget - five times more than anyone in L1. We have bids in for three strikers and they're not cheap"


Caldwell: "We'll be the big team in League One next season and I'm proud of that"

Caldwell: "When I get the key players in I believe we'll have a side you will be proud of that will be champions in May"




I don't mind a little confidence, but what a total lack of respect for the rest of League 1

Nothing would please me more after reading that drivel from a manager and chairman, to shove it right up em
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Very arrogant, and ideas way above their station. Wigan are tin-pot, but inflated with Premiership cash.

That said, a bit of arrogance is needed. If Clough showed half the contempt for the league that Wigan seem to be doing, we'd have been promoted.

I hope Adkins thinks that we should be smashing whoever we come up against next season.

UTB
 
BushBlade said:
Sorry, that's what I'm trying to say. They've already had to cut back after relegation from the PL and now they're facing more. It takes a quality manager to navigate through that, as we well know. Caldwell may be the next Ferguson for all I know but the odds are against it. More likely he's the next Weir.
I have a simple theory, if three consecutive managerial appointments don't work out, you're in trouble. If a fourth doesn't, you're in the shit. And the deeper you get into the shit, the better the manager needed to get you out of it. And if they start paying over the odds wages for L1 players, they could be storing up even more trouble for the future.
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what doesnt help is they have no history , they have climbed up once , as did Carlisle and Northampton
they dont have the crowd backing to be credible
 
Are there any other BIG clubs that share their ground with a rugby league side that gets bigger attendances than them?
 
Ashtonsmashton said:
Spending the most money doesn't make you the biggest team you absolute *******(Wigan)
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It does if you win more than everyone else. Only fans of failing sides tend to think differently.
Like it or not Wigan have been a bigger side than us for quite a few years now. Fan base, history, attendances, away following, stadium are all great but mean roughly jack shit if they out perform you year after year.
Who's "bigger" currently Derby, Forest, Leeds, Pigs or Chelsea?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It does if you win more than everyone else. Only fans of failing sides tend to think differently.
Like it or not Wigan have been a bigger side than us for quite a few years now. Fan base, history, attendances, away following, stadium are all great but mean roughly jack shit if they out perform you year after year.
Who's "bigger" currently Derby, Forest, Leeds, Pigs or Chelsea?
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I think they'll have many problems this season, especially in the manger position, to me they look like they're making too many changes and over spending.

They'll most likely get promoted but I can't see us or them winning the league however I would say we have a better chance with our improved back room staff. They team seems broken from the board to the backroom staff to the players

It depends the way you look at it in terms of bigger teams, for me they've been extremely lucky in the past few years, unlike us they've over achieved it recent years and we've under achieved in the league.
 



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