Harry Maguire’s Premier League dream

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Harry Maguire is a good deal better off than he was at this time last year. Financially, that is. In football terms, absolutely not.

Of course, had Maguire known in advance, amid last summer’s prolonged uncertainty, that Sheffield United would miss out on promotion, the decision to press for a move would have been even easier.

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Jumping two divisions to the Premier League was a no-brainer, wasn’t it?

Well, Maguire now has cause to reflect on the clarity of his thinking - and not only because of Hull’s relegation to the Championship, leaving these Yorkshire rivals only a division apart.


Let’s look at where he is now and where perhaps he could have been. Harry’s licking his wounds, not only having dropped with Hull (for which he could hardly be blamed after only three Premier League appearances as substitute) but ending the season as an on-loan member of the Wigan side shockingly relegated to the third tier.

Maguire’s stock has tumbled a long way in the ten months since a much fan-fared £2.5m transfer to the KC Stadium. But it need not have been so. The Blades never effectively replaced him.

Had he remained, Nigel Clough’s team must have had a much better shot at returning to the Championship and Harry’s career would still have been on the up. Maybe Clough might have still been in situ.

Of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing and, to quote another cliche, money talks. If we’re honest, how many of us would have made the same decision from the same place?

I suspect most.

So this is not a dig at the 22-year-old centre half who made 166 appearances in no time for the Blades, but a timely warning for all young players to see the longer game for the sake of their careers.

It’s the Jordan Slew syndrome. Remember him, a £1m departee for Blackburn? And where is he now? At Cambridge United, where he finished last season with one goal in nine games.

As Blades legend Tony Currie made a point of remarking to me recently: “Harry Maguire going was a big loss and I’m sure he wishes he’d have stayed. I don’t know if he was holding the club to ransom or whatever. But it would have been better for the sake of his development to stay.”

The strapping centre half, not blessed with pace but as commanding as any United defender of recent years, finds himself a little knocked down for size.

Which is not to say he can’t rebuild his career or that there won’t be plenty of knocks at Hull’s door should they choose not to re-harness him at the lower level.

You’ll be wondering the same as this column about where one of those knocks might come from.

Strikes me as not the worst idea all round. But, as with everything in life, it’s sometimes best to wait and see...

n The words “testimonial game” evoke memories of a bygone age when loyalty abounded.

At 37, Chris Morgan is almost too young to remember but, from his haircut to his creased forehead, not to mention the way he played, he is a welcome throwback.

It’s fitting that after 12 years with Sheffield United - as centre half, skipper, coach and twice caretaker boss - Morgs has landed a prestige pre-season game to landmark his career.

The visit to Bramall Lane of Premier League Newcastle on Sunday, July 26 is testament to the respect he commands.

Mind you, I’m not entirely sure the word “friendly” fits in to his vocabulary!
 

Can see Maguire being in the Hull first team next year would welcome him back but will never play for us again

No chance. Hull will have to re-structure but, with parachute payments, needn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Handled right, they could easily get back into the PL. I can't see any place for HM, even if they sell a few players they'll still be pretty formidable.

As a few of us said at the time, HM was simply not PL quality. Know your limitations. Are you listening Jamie Murphy?
 
He did really well out on loan last year, was one of the few decent players at Wigan. He's a very good Championship defender for me.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Fant...-Hull-recall/story-26621195-detail/story.html

Looks to have had a complete mare judging by these quotes!

"Harry was fantastic during his time at Wigan. I can't speak highly enough of him," Kendrick (Wigan Evening Post's football correspondent) told the Mail.

"He's proven himself in the Championship, even within a bottom-placed side. He was definitely one of the stand-outs for Wigan last season.

"Not just his defensive plays in the air and on the deck, but he brought the ball out to the midfield area really well."

Bad advice from his agent for his career. But good advice for his wallet. And his agent's wallet.

And all on maybe double the money at the Blades and in a league above! The world doesn't revolve around planet Blade.

Good move Harry. You were fantastic at the Lane, have a great career.
 
Looks to have had a complete mare judging by these quotes!

"Harry was fantastic during his time at Wigan. I can't speak highly enough of him," Kendrick (Wigan Evening Post's football correspondent) told the Mail.

"He's proven himself in the Championship, even within a bottom-placed side. He was definitely one of the stand-outs for Wigan last season.

"Not just his defensive plays in the air and on the deck, but he brought the ball out to the midfield area really well."



And all on maybe double the money at the Blades and in a league above! The world doesn't revolve around planet Blade.

Good move Harry. You were fantastic at the Lane, have a great career.

Gave good service to SUFC and was by all accounts a decent lad. Set himself up for life and has a good shot at excelling in the Champ. Made the right move for me.
 
If he'd have stayed at the Lane we'd have gone up. Providing Clough would have played him!
 
It's easy as a football supporter to say he should have stayed. .I personally don't blame him for leaving and having ambition to try and play at a higher level. .he's still young and just needs the right manager to give him a run ..why the need to have a dig at a player who gave his all for us?
 
No chance. Hull will have to re-structure but, with parachute payments, needn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Handled right, they could easily get back into the PL. I can't see any place for HM, even if they sell a few players they'll still be pretty formidable.

As a few of us said at the time, HM was simply not PL quality. Know your limitations. Are you listening Jamie Murphy?
Whenever he played he was one of their best performers including a man of the match appearance against Arsenal. May more of us at the time said he was class and that we wouldn't be able to replace him and that his sale would cost us any chance of promotion.
 
Looks to have had a complete mare judging by these quotes!

"Harry was fantastic during his time at Wigan. I can't speak highly enough of him," Kendrick (Wigan Evening Post's football correspondent) told the Mail.

"He's proven himself in the Championship, even within a bottom-placed side. He was definitely one of the stand-outs for Wigan last season.

"Not just his defensive plays in the air and on the deck, but he brought the ball out to the midfield area really well."



And all on maybe double the money at the Blades and in a league above! The world doesn't revolve around planet Blade.

Good move Harry. You were fantastic at the Lane, have a great career.

Yes good luck to the lad . Good players do not come bad overnight , and the reviews from Wigan confirm this . Perhaps young Harry also didn't like the Clough way of man management . We will never know , but we move on as a club . The past is the past.

UTB
 

Regardless of his career, isn't it likely that he has made so much money in wages and his cut of the transfer fee that, if he doesn't want to, he'll never have to work ever again?


I seriously doubt that Harry Maguire has made enough from the game to never have to work again.
 
I seriously doubt that Harry Maguire has made enough from the game to never have to work again.
Well he's been at Hull City for a year, give or take. I dare GUESS that he has been earning as much per week as say the average national yearly wage which I think is £22K or something.

Lets say 50 working years is the duration of a career (most are shorter), so if he has been on the average yearly income but each week, then already he has earnt what must be regarded as enough to retire on but I suspect he's been paid much more than £22K/week.

Do you think I am wide of the mark? (I was thinking his wages would possibly be about £60K/week)
 
Well he's been at Hull City for a year, give or take. I dare GUESS that he has been earning as much per week as say the average national yearly wage which I think is £22K or something.

Lets say 50 working years is the duration of a career (most are shorter), so if he has been on the average yearly income but each week, then already he has earnt what must be regarded as enough to retire on but I suspect he's been paid much more than £22K/week.

Do you think I am wide of the mark? (I was thinking his wages would possibly be about £60K/week)


Do you think that someone who has being earning 22k a week, can instantly reduce their spending to 22k a year?
 
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Because he will have all the trappings of someone who was been earning 22k a week. Big mortgage, flash car, girlfriend that likes that kind of lifestyle etc etc.


I'd struggle to go back to earning 22k a year, and I'm far far far closer to earning 22k than I am Harry's wages.

If he's sensible the money that he's earnt will have been put in long term investments. He simply wouldn't have the cash flow to retire now and do nothing for the rest of his life.

Bear in mind he'll be paying 45% tax plus NI on the vast majority of that 22k a week.


And why would he want to retire anyway?
 
I'm sure he doesn't want to retire, the thread of our conversation has frayed till its just a fibre that'll snap soon but its immaterial to the main post.

I was earlier making the point that judged against most careers, Harry's has already been successful beyond measure in terms of cash and that's the measure of most careers.

I pointed this out because the original Star quote - designed to appeal to a Sheffield United readership was in jist that - 'he's loaded now but his football career has nosedived' ergo, he should have stayed at SUFC but thats parochial nonsense whichever way you look at it.

I hadn't considered the higher tax-rate, agreed, you make a valid point (that affects my Rithmetic) but I went from a £38K salary to zero when I lost a job, its hard but you CAN do it, thousands of us have had to cope.

Dipping to £22K/annum from such a high base would be easier - BECAUSE of the investments (for instance a house) that had already been made.

I'l be in a minority but I find the whole idea of state EARNINGS related pension iniquitous and yet its regarded as fair by the TUC and Labour, then again they forgot what Socialism looked like a long time ago....

Out of interest any idea what he may be earning at the moment?
 
Whenever he played he was one of their best performers including a man of the match appearance against Arsenal. May more of us at the time said he was class and that we wouldn't be able to replace him and that his sale would cost us any chance of promotion.
I don't think it was the sale itself mate that cost us promotion, it was the fault of the management team and scouting department in not replacing Maguire with a more than adequate player for League one, we failed miserably in this. Admittedly he tried (Butler, McGahey spring to mind) but ultimately he failed no matter what happened or how you look at it.
 
I don't think it was the sale itself mate that cost us promotion, it was the fault of the management team and scouting department in not replacing Maguire with a more than adequate player for League one, we failed miserably in this.

I'm pretty much in Lukey's corner on this Wiz.

He wasn't replaced adequately as a CB that's for sure, but what wouldn't have been, even if we'd recruited decently, was his ability to advance with the ball from the back. In our "golden" period under Clough, how many of our attacks started with Harry (and to a lesser but still significant extent Collins) suddenly moving forward with the ball into opposition territory, causing the opposition to have to respond and freeing our midfielders into space.
We missed him terribly throughout.
 
I'm pretty much in Lukey's corner on this Wiz.

He wasn't replaced adequately as a CB that's for sure, but what wouldn't have been, even if we'd recruited decently, was his ability to advance with the ball from the back. In our "golden" period under Clough, how many of our attacks started with Harry (and to a lesser but still significant extent Collins) suddenly moving forward with the ball into opposition territory, causing the opposition to have to respond and freeing our midfielders into space.
We missed him terribly throughout.
Yes mate, i'm not disputing we missed him terribly on reflection, but i do think we should have done more to get the situation at the back sorted. Him and Colins formed a great partnership in League one and what we wouldn't give for that sort of partnership next season. However, if the attacking part of our game was also sorted a lot better and earlier we wouldn't have had to worry too much about the backline. It was all a bit mish mash in the end and really poor scouting in general.
 

But you'll never know unless you play there will you.
To me Harry is a good third division / lower Championship centre half but he will never be fast enough for the prem.....

What about John Terry? He's hardly pacey!
 

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