PNE Penalty

[SwissBlade]

When I saw it in real time (from the Kop) I wasn't sure Jay Mc touched their lad. It didn't look like he touched the ball either, but couldn't tell if there was a foul.

There were no complaints from United players.

Just watched the second half on blades player, the penalty is on 27:20.

Ball comes over, Harris gets a slight nudged on the ball as he tries to head it, the ball then gets away from Jay Mc, resulting in him having to stretch to squeeze it across (to basham). No doubt it's in the area.

However, still can't tell from the camera angle (South stand gantry), as the ball gets away from Jay Mc, the Preston lad seems to run over the top of Jay Mc's outstretched leg, but can't see any contact. The PNE player seems to be looking for the pen - running over Jay Mc's leg rather than attempting to challenge for the ball

It's obviously irrelevant to the result, but has anyone seen it from a clearer angle or on a replay to confirm any contact?

 

[sitwell]

I sit in line with it on jss ,I thought as did everyone around me that he got a touch ,the ball seemed to move ,however we are behind him.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Maybe because of the Tottenham penalty I think some have been a bit harsh on McEveley in that situation. Harris' touch meant it was a difficult situation and he was forced into a desperate challenge against a very quick opponent about to run through.

 

[SwissBlade]

I sit in line with it on jss ,I thought as did everyone around me that he got a touch ,the ball seemed to move ,however we are behind him.

I couldn't be sure on the touch on the ball, so to speak. But did it look like he took the man out as well?

 

[bornablade]

I can only comment from my view from the Kop and I haven't seen any replays. I couldn't see if there was any contact but I thought Harris header was a poor decision. To place a suicide ball square across your defence is inadvisable.

Reminds me of Curtis mistake against Forest in the PO semi final.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Maybe because of the Tottenham penalty I think some have been a bit harsh on McEveley in that situation. Harris' touch meant it was a difficult situation and he was forced into a desperate challenge against a very quick opponent about to run through.

And, by that stage v Preston, we were chasing the game and badly stretched. Defenders will occasionally give away penalties, especially in circumstances like that (cf Bob at Port Vale)---just as strikers will sometimes miss them, just as wicketkeepers will drop catches, or batsmen (especially English ones) will occasionally nick a straight one.

Watch the penalty that J Mac conceded against Spurs in REAL time, not in the super slo-mo that's become our conventional window on controversial moments. Exactly what fraction of a second did he have, to see what was happening, compute the correct response, and execute that response ? I'd hazard it was a smaller fraction of a second than a top-class batsman has to work out how to deal with Mitchell Johnson. Are we really going to hang him out to dry for that ?

Jay Mac is not Terry, or Cahill, or Hummels, or whoever. He's a third division defender, playing in the third division, for a third division club. I'm not sure that "some have been a bit harsh" quite does it justice.

 

[madeinsheffield]

We sit on G Block so were more or less in line, I thought he played the ball and the PNE player went over his leg looking for the foul. Haven't seen it on Bladesplayer though. None of the United players seemed to protest much at the time which made us think he'd taken the man out.

 

[SwissBlade]

We sit on G Block so were more or less in line, I thought he played the ball and the PNE player went over his leg looking for the foul. Haven't seen it on Bladesplayer though. None of the United players seemed to protest much at the time which made us think he'd taken the man out.

In today's football, it was a strange reaction from United players, nowadays you expect players to surround the ref or have a go at the linesman, but we've done less and less of this under Clough, especially in big games. Which I think is great!

I noticed one time in the second half when we did surround the ref, which was unusual for us. But to see no reaction to the pen seemed strange even for us. Preston on the other hand were getting up close on the ref at every chance. Even when they got the pen the taker was trying to get th the ref to book Jay Mc. Different mentality I suppose, which comes from the manager.

Taking nothing away from PNE, they deserved the win on the night

 

[Sheff de party]

In today's football, it was a strange reaction from United players, nowadays you expect players to surround the ref or have a go at the linesman, but we've done less and less of this under Clough, especially in big games. Which I think is great!

I noticed one time in the second half when we did surround the ref, which was unusual for us. But to see no reaction to the pen seemed strange even for us. Preston on the other hand were getting up close on the ref at every chance. Even when they got the pen the taker was trying to get th the ref to book Jay Mc. Different mentality I suppose, which comes from the manager.

Taking nothing away from PNE, they deserved the win on the night

This is a fairly good angle, although it might be the same one you've seen.

In my opinion, that is not a penalty and is a dive. It's the kind that get waved away rather than a booking for simulation though.

 

[SwissBlade]

This is a fairly good angle, although it might be the same one you've seen.

In my opinion, that is not a penalty and is a dive. It's the kind that get waved away rather than a booking for simulation though.

Yeah it's the same angle, so can't really tell

 

[OllyBlade]

On the radio they also said it was a clear red card as he was last man but looking at it Basham is fairly close by and would be covering once their player had collected the ball. Was strange as they made it out as if he was last man by a mile.

 

[SwissBlade]

On the radio they also said it was a clear red card as he was last man but looking at it Basham is fairly close by and would be covering once their player had collected the ball. Was strange as they made it out as if he was last man by a mile.

It was certainly not a red card as you say, same with the freekick that Gallagher scored, neither were clear goal scoring opportunities as there was cover, as you say

 

[Blade56]

We sit in john street stand and tbh from behind he didn't appear to make contact and the player fell with a straight leg, to straight for it to be a trip but that's semantics he left his leg there!

 

[SwissBlade]

We sit in john street stand and tbh from behind he didn't appear to make contact and the player fell with a straight leg, to straight for it to be a trip but that's semantics he left his leg there!

From the Kop i said to the lads around me that he seemed to fall quite late after McEv committed himself. Everyone excused the ref as we were halfway up the kop and the ref was very close by.

Its semantics i know, but seemed a harsh penalty.

 

[Sheff de party]

On the radio they also said it was a clear red card as he was last man but looking at it Basham is fairly close by and would be covering once their player had collected the ball. Was strange as they made it out as if he was last man by a mile.

Ah the old "he was last man" routine. How do radio shows and TV pundits keep churning this out? The rule is "denying a clear goalscoring opportunity", which that clearly isn't. You can be the last man and foul someone in their half, doesn't make it a clear goalscoring opportunity.

You're right, Basham would have got there and tackled, hence why he went down. It's cheating.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

Choked on the night, but thinking about it perhaps as far as promotion is concerned it could prove to be for the best.
As for the radio Sheff commentary they were more likely to be concentrating on the pies or some in joke than the game when it happened...