Does the manager value pace in the side?

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Simple question. Clough has signed some 14 or more players( guessing) How many have pace?

Clough was a small,slow player. Does that tell us anything or is that irrelevant?

Just a thought as I listen to Michael Owen commentate and banging on about pace.

Even the big signing O'Grady had no pace. Nor does Higdon or McNulty come to that. Ryce, Porter, McNulty, Wallace, Wallace. OK Scougall has it over 5 yards, but he's the only one and it fizzles out over 10 yards.
 



He's shit . Clough out Christie in.
 
We didn't do bad counter attacking with pace against Southampton,or QPR for that matter,so i wouldn't agree,no.
 
Great one-liners lads, wonderful, inventive, subtle wit and humour, pure class. But have we any pace in the side other than Murphy who Wilson signed anyway?

Would you key-board comedians hope for a bit of pace introduced during the JTW?

Bad time to offer a serious OP at 9p.m. obviously.
 
A defence of Flynn, Basham, McEveley and Harris are quicker than most defences in this league. Murphy is pacey and JCR still reasonably quick. In midfield it's often more about covering space quickly and stamina, especially the ability to run at good speed often. When Doyle is being helped by two from the enthusiastic trio Reed, Scougall and Cuvelier I think we have good mobility, although they must show that they can chip in with more goals. Eventually I'd be interested in seeing Che Adams in a central role as well, I think he could become a goalscoring central midfielder. Up front pace is definitely something we've missed at times, although when we play McNulty his movement, smartness and work rate is causing similar chances that you can get from real pace.

As we look to tweak the squad, I agree that pace, along with height and strength, are attributes that we should be looking for, to complement what we already have.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Great one-liners lads, wonderful, inventive, subtle wit and humour, pure class. But have we any pace in the side other than Murphy who Wilson signed anyway?

Would you key-board comedians hope for a bit of pace introduced during the JTW?

Bad time to offer a serious OP at 9p.m. obviously.
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Oh sorry, It was a serious question?

This isn't the first time this has come up recently and a a few mins searching would probably mean that you would have had your OP answered without all that boring typing. However, you didn't so again, my answer is generally the same with an added clarification.

Why this massive wankfest over pace? We are a English third division side, that generally means that this level (with the very rare exception) you get either basic ability or pace. I know which I would rather have (pro-tip - it's not pace)
 
Pierre's PC said:
Oh sorry, It was a serious question?

This isn't the first time this has come up recently and a a few mins searching would probably mean that you would have had your OP answered without all that boring typing. However, you didn't so again, my answer is generally the same with an added clarification.

Why this massive wankfest over pace? We are a English third division side, that generally means that this level (with the very rare exception) you get either basic ability or pace. I know which I would rather have (pro-tip - it's not pace)
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Oh, if it's repetition I'm sorry, I'm embarrassed but nobody can read every post surely.

I've just been back to mid-Novemeber though and only one OP had "pace" in the title, and not really in this context.

Good comment about skill being a priority but there are 11 players in the team and it's the blend I suppose.
 



Woodwardfan said:
Oh, if it's repetition I'm sorry, I'm embarrassed but nobody can read every post surely.

I've just been back to mid-Novemeber though and only one OP had "pace" in the title, and not really in this context.

Good comment about skill being a priority but there are 11 players in the team and it's the blend I suppose.
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How many players would you like to sign with pace and where would you play them?
 
Maybe it isn't that we're lacking dangerous pacy players (Murphy and Campbell-Ryce are fine in this respect) but more our slower players barely move (Baxter, Higdon). That isn't a pop at Baxter by the way.

Speaking of Higdon, I hope he watched how Akinfenwa managed to shift his 16 stone about for 90 minutes against international defenders last night.
 
Punk Blade said:
Speaking of Higdon, I hope he watched how Akinfenwa managed to shift his 16 stone about for 90 minutes against international defenders last night.
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I knows & he was sweating like fck after just 10mins!
Fair play he lasted the game out reasonably "well!"
 
Punk Blade said:
Speaking of Higdon, I hope he watched how Akinfenwa managed to shift his 16 stone about for 90 minutes against international defenders last night.
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I think Skrtel must have took about three dozen painkillers since last night:D
 
boo radley said:
How many players would you like to sign with pace and where would you play them?
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I think we should use any money available for two new strikers to give us the "strong strike force of 4 " which Clough was aiming for last summer.

McNulty is one of the four and Higdon too I suppose. If the two new strikers had pace that would give us a different dimension.

Not easy to find at this stage of the season, maybe loan signings will serve us best.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Great one-liners lads, wonderful, inventive, subtle wit and humour, pure class. But have we any pace in the side other than Murphy who Wilson signed anyway?

Would you key-board comedians hope for a bit of pace introduced during the JTW?

Bad time to offer a serious OP at 9p.m. obviously.
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I think when it comes to us I am firmly in the beggars can't be choosers category.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Simple question. Clough has signed some 14 or more players( guessing) How many have pace?

Clough was a small,slow player. Does that tell us anything or is that irrelevant?

Just a thought as I listen to Michael Owen commentate and banging on about pace.

Even the big signing O'Grady had no pace. Nor does Higdon or McNulty come to that. Ryce, Porter, McNulty, Wallace, Wallace. OK Scougall has it over 5 yards, but he's the only one and it fizzles out over 10 yards.
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We have few players who are gifted with pace and its an attribute we lack all over the pitch ...... I've been saying this all season so far. Its usually pace and strength that unlock teams in this Division ....... hence our uninspiring League position.
UTB & FTP
 
Woodwardfan said:
Simple question. Clough has signed some 14 or more players( guessing) How many have pace?

Clough was a small,slow player. Does that tell us anything or is that irrelevant?

Just a thought as I listen to Michael Owen commentate and banging on about pace.

Even the big signing O'Grady had no pace. Nor does Higdon or McNulty come to that. Ryce, Porter, McNulty, Wallace, Wallace. OK Scougall has it over 5 yards, but he's the only one and it fizzles out over 10 yards.
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I completely agree!
Though I don't think Murphy is particularly fast, direct but not fast.
JCR doesn't take the ball forward unless it's from a standing start and scougal's legs are too fast for his brain but even he isn't rapid.
It's easy to name crap/pacey players but when you get a good one it can terrify defenders. They make their own chances and more importantly they latch on to oppositions mistakes better too
 
Pace never hurts but I find it a bit of an 11 year old FIFA tactic to want your team bursting with road runners. I dont think we look that slow. I accept it would be nice to have at least one player with blistering pace though. I rememebr Donaldson in the 2-2 draw with Brentford at the lane, absolutely murdering Maguire with his speed. Also when the on loan lad, Afobe is it? Came on as a sub for MK dons, he bolted past Flynn a couple of times.
 
Hey up Woody I know what you mean about pace but I also know that what ever team the manager picks some one will always find some thing to complain about , their too small, there's not enough strikers, he keeps changing the team, he plays players out of position,and so on, even when it does work some will still moan with things like it's because he's built a team to play in a higher league than the one were in ?
But there's still a lot of mileage left in this season and I would definitely feel confident with Clough in a play off final and in his ability to cope at an higher level when we get there.
He may not do what I'd want him to do all the time and it may take longer for him to do it than I'd like, but I do get the feeling he's one of the best we've had for a hell of a long time and he is making it very interesting along the way back isn't he....;)
 
Pace is over valued at times these days. The English game is generally filled with the big athletic type players. I quite like that Clough has a smaller squad with better ability on the ball. A certain Mr E looked a yard and half faster in this league because he had good ability to control the ball and make quicker decisions than most players in the league.

The problem in England in general is creative decision making is removed from many kids at a young age. The ammount of times I hear junior coaches tell a kid to 'Pass' a ball before they've barely touched the ball worries me.

See young footballers need to learn a variety of traits to become good players. Their size and speed should never be of great concern. They should be good with a ball at their feet, be able to make quick decisions (whether that be taking a player on or making a pass.) Have good vision and be able to read situations, have good agility and conditioning. Of course much of the above can only be achieved with players making countless and countless of mistakes at younger ages.

What I hope Clough looks for are players that make generally good quick decisions, can read situations. Have ability with the ball at their feet. Look to take risks and be creative. To find all that and pace like an Olympic player is exceptionally difficult. But most players that have a lot of those traits generally look fairly pacey anyway as their reactions are just much more quicker.
 
Punk Blade said:
Maybe it isn't that we're lacking dangerous pacy players (Murphy and Campbell-Ryce are fine in this respect) but more our slower players barely move (Baxter, Higdon). That isn't a pop at Baxter by the way.
I KNOW I will get blasted for this but has anyone noticed a certain Andy Johnson is without a club maybe he could make that difference for us up front if we manage to get o,grady to partner him :rolleyes:

Speaking of Higdon, I hope he watched how Akinfenwa managed to shift his 16 stone about for 90 minutes against international defenders last night.
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