Why is it.........

[mark hones]

Why is it that every time we have a great result like today, we've played "a very poor Premier League team, it has to be said"? The opposition fans come out with it, their manager usually does, and even the majority of us do truth be told.

Bottom line is that a poor Premier League team will generally have enough to beat an average 3rd division team. They have internationals playing for them, they have strength in depth and they have Premier League management teams.

Could it be that the Premier League is over hyped, these Fancy Dan players aren't that shit hot when they have to fight? Or maybe, and best of all ,we could be better than we think we are?

Our league results suggest that we're average, our Cup results tell a different story so will the real Sheffield United please stand up. If we play with pace and passion we can still piss this league.

 

[boo radley]

I was thinking about this before today and my thoughts are that the gaps between leagues are not as great as they are perceived to be.

 

[mattbianco1]

I said it the other day... We're too good for our division but not good enough to get out of it.

Work that one out!

 

[blader]

It means they were poor on the day. It goes without saying that QPR at their best would hammer us at our best, so if an upset has occurred a 'poor premier league team' is the only way it could happen. No league 1 side has ever beaten an 'impressive' premier league side, I think you're reading too much into it, to be honest.

For example, if we played Dover today and lost, it would have been a 'poor Sheff Utd' side they beat, for the same reasons.

 

[Kenilworth]

I said it the other day... We're too good for our division but not good enough to get out of it.

Work that one out!

Agree. We are set up as a Championship side but we are struggling with the physicality require to get out of this league. We need to be more direct in our approach to certain games or we will get bullied and catch a cold against the run of play. Our quality is good to hurt teams who attack us but not good enough to break down teams that look to contain us and catch us on the break. That's where you need the quality striker to unpick it or the quality of midfielder to unlock it - or the brute strength to bulldoze it.

 

[mark hones]

It means they were poor on the day. It goes without saying that QPR at their best would hammer us at our best, so if an upset has occurred a 'poor premier league team' is the only way it could happen. No league 1 side has ever beaten an 'impressive' premier league side, I think you're reading too much into it, to be honest.

For example, if we played Dover today and lost, it would have been a 'poor Sheff Utd' side they beat, for the same reasons.

Reading too much into it? And the Fulham, Villa, Southampton etc. results? Tell me then Smiler, we keep beating Premier League teams, what do you read into it?

It's way too easy to discredit the opposition on a day like today, sometimes you have to say they were poor because we made them look that way.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It means they were poor on the day. It goes without saying that QPR at their best would hammer us at our best, so if an upset has occurred a 'poor premier league team' is the only way it could happen. No league 1 side has ever beaten an 'impressive' premier league side, I think you're reading too much into it, to be honest.

For example, if we played Dover today and lost, it would have been a 'poor Sheff Utd' side they beat, for the same reasons.

To be fair every time they play someone has to face a poor Wednesday team.

 

[sportinguista]

Why is it that every time we have a great result like today, we've played "a very poor Premier League team, it has to be said"? The opposition fans come out with it, their manager usually does, and even the majority of us do truth be told.

Bottom line is that a poor Premier League team will generally have enough to beat an average 3rd division team. They have internationals playing for them, they have strength in depth and they have Premier League management teams.

Could it be that the Premier League is over hyped, these Fancy Dan players aren't that shit hot when they have to fight? Or maybe, and best of all ,we could be better than we think we are?

Our league results suggest that we're average, our Cup results tell a different story so will the real Sheffield United please stand up. If we play with pace and passion we can still piss this league.

To be fair, Redknapp said this today:

"They looked sharper than us all over the pitch.

"They were brighter and better than us and looked like a team that had 10 days without playing a game - we were playing our fourth and looked lethargic. We looked sluggish today.

"They thoroughly deserved their win. They played well and you've got to give them the credit."

He's been called many things over the years but those remarks can only be described as honest and sporting...well done 'arry!!

 

[Pinchy]

To be fair, Redknapp said this today:

"They looked sharper than us all over the pitch.

"They were brighter and better than us and looked like a team that had 10 days without playing a game - we were playing our fourth and looked lethargic. We looked sluggish today.

"They thoroughly deserved their win. They played well and you've got to give them the credit."

He's been called many things over the years but those remarks can only be described as honest and sporting...well done 'arry!!

What did his thoroughly dishonest, deeply corrupt, dog have to say?

 

[oldblade]

It means they were poor on the day. It goes without saying that QPR at their best would hammer us at our best, so if an upset has occurred a 'poor premier league team' is the only way it could happen. No league 1 side has ever beaten an 'impressive' premier league side, I think you're reading too much into it, to be honest.

For example, if we played Dover today and lost, it would have been a 'poor Sheff Utd' side they beat, for the same reasons.

Strange. Could have sworn Swindon beat Arsenal in the league cup final 3-1. Or is that an inconvenient truth?

And we must be really, really lucky meeting all these premier league teams that just happen to be poor on the day we play them, not to mention the two championship sides we've also despatched in the last year. Gosh, our luck knows no bounds. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with us actually having a few useful players and playing quite well..

 

[blader]

Reading too much into it? And the Fulham, Villa, Southampton etc. results? Tell me then Smiler, we keep beating Premier League teams, what do you read into it?

It's way too easy to discredit the opposition on a day like today, sometimes you have to say they were poor because we made them look that way.

It's not about discrediting, but acknowledging that QPR were po

Strange. Could have sworn Swindon beat Arsenal in the league cup final 3-1. Or is that an inconvenient truth?

And we must be really, really lucky meeting all these premier league teams that just happen to be poor on the day we play them, not to mention the two championship sides we've also despatched in the last year. Gosh, our luck knows no bounds. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with us actually having a few useful players and playing quite well..

No you're right, sorry. Our squad is far superior to Southampton, QPR et al. What am I thinking?

The bias on this forum sometimes is beyond reason. If u can't see that a PL team needs an off day for a league 1 side to beat them, then you are beyond help.

It isn't taking anything away from SUFC a to say QPR had an off day. Fucking hell, some people need to get a grip and stop looking for a conspiracy in everything the media do.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I said it the other day... We're too good for our division but not good enough to get out of it.

Work that one out!

It doesn't need any working out because you are absolutely spot one with your assessment.

When the opposition "let" us play football we are a very good team. QPR play football, are not aggressive or dirty and our midfield 5 played some great football when in possession. Baxter looked a different player, Reed, well everything he does is good, Scoogs was his usual waspish self, but with end product this time, JCR ran Trarore stupid all day and Doyle did what he is good at - tidied up and moved the ball on to players who could actually do something with it.

Back to division 1 - the opposition don't give you time and space, hence we struggle.

Some on here are that manic depressive that they give us NO chance v Spurs - the Spurs scouts at the game yesterday will be reporting back that we are no pushovers. We didn't play false 9 but 4-5-1 and if we do that v Spurs then it is up to them to break us down. They won't have played a team like us and we are not Chelsea playing 4-3-3 and trying to win the game - we go to Spurs look not to lose and to break at pace - just like QPR.

As to working it out - just hope others see it the same way some of us do. We all have to hope we get in the play offs, treat it as 3 cup ties with 4-5-1 and get out of this shit division.

UTB

 

[AnotherSpur]

Why is it that every time we have a great result like today, we've played "a very poor Premier League team, it has to be said"? The opposition fans come out with it, their manager usually does, and even the majority of us do truth be told.

Bottom line is that a poor Premier League team will generally have enough to beat an average 3rd division team. They have internationals playing for them, they have strength in depth and they have Premier League management teams.

Could it be that the Premier League is over hyped, these Fancy Dan players aren't that shit hot when they have to fight? Or maybe, and best of all ,we could be better than we think we are?

Our league results suggest that we're average, our Cup results tell a different story so will the real Sheffield United please stand up. If we play with pace and passion we can still piss this league.

Yep.

 

[oldblade]

It's not about discrediting, but acknowledging that QPR were po


No you're right, sorry. Our squad is far superior to Southampton, QPR et al. What am I thinking?

The bias on this forum sometimes is beyond reason. If u can't see that a PL team needs an off day for a league 1 side to beat them, then you are beyond help.

It isn't taking anything away from SUFC a to say QPR had an off day. Fucking hell, some people need to get a grip and stop looking for a conspiracy in everything the media do.

So QPR had an off day, as did West Ham, Southampton, Fulham, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Charlton. That's an awful lot of off days that happen to coincide with us being on the fixture list.

Yes, some people do need to get a grip. We disposed of those sides by playing well. You say we only beat them because they played badly. They played badly in large part because we made them play badly. It's time people like you acknowledged that we don't have a squad of useless, talentless journeymen. No, they aren't world beaters, and they are definitely under performing in the league, but they do have ability. Whatever the league shortcomings, they are not down to the inadequacies of our players on the ability front. You simply cannot producer that many 'shock' results in a twelve month period if you lack ability.

We should not be viewing our cup exploits as flukes that have been handed to us by higher placed side after higher placed side playing badly. We should instead be looking at how we can transfer our cup performances to our league games.

Nowhere have I said that our squad is superior to QPR's or Southampton's. But I certainly think it is better than people like you give it credit for, and trying to claim that the only reason we have won our cup matches is because the higher placed sides have played badly is a grotesque insult to the players and management of this club.

It's pretty unbelievable that we not only win, but win well and yet some of our alleged supporters still give us no credit. Yes, sooner or later we will lose a cup match. One day we may even get a bit of a hiding, but when we have won by playing well and outplaying higher placed opposition I think our often maligned players and management are deserving of some credit.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I said it the other day... We're too good for our division but not good enough to get out of it.

Work that one out!

I more or less said the same thing at half-time yesterday to DazBlade88.

 

[Kenilworth]

So QPR had an off day, as did West Ham, Southampton, Fulham, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Charlton. That's an awful lot of off days that happen to coincide with us being on the fixture list.

Yes, some people do need to get a grip. We disposed of those sides by playing well. You say we only beat them because they played badly. They played badly in large part because we made them play badly. It's time people like you acknowledged that we don't have a squad of useless, talentless journeymen. No, they aren't world beaters, and they are definitely under performing in the league, but they do have ability. Whatever the league shortcomings, they are not down to the inadequacies of our players on the ability front. You simply cannot producer that many 'shock' results in a twelve month period if you lack ability.

We should not be viewing our cup exploits as flukes that have been handed to us by higher placed side after higher placed side playing badly. We should instead be looking at how we can transfer our cup performances to our league games.

Nowhere have I said that our squad is superior to QPR's or Southampton's. But I certainly think it is better than people like you give it credit for, and trying to claim that the only reason we have won our cup matches is because the higher placed sides have played badly is a grotesque insult to the players and management of this club.

It's pretty unbelievable that we not only win, but win well and yet some of our alleged supporters still give us no credit. Yes, sooner or later we will lose a cup match. One day we may even get a bit of a hiding, but when we have won by playing well and outplaying higher placed opposition I think our often maligned players and management are deserving of some credit.

Agree - what's clear is that players who play at our league are generally less consistent in the level of their performance week in, week out. That is what NC is striving for, a level of consistency to execute the plan.

Having said that, however, in some areas of the pitch we do need to have better / more options - specifically up front. Not sure if I have mentioned it before but we are a couple of players short in that position - I really like McNuts but our other strikers are nowhere near the same standard - and I don't count Baxter or Murphy as strikers.

The other thing we have badly missed in this rough and tumble division is a bit of old fashioned thuggery - we are trying to play our way around a disciplined set of opponents and then getting bullied in the central midfield positions where we need to be less subtle and a little more direct - we are not a million miles away from taking this division by the scruff of the neck but the longer we dismiss the occasional use of more direct play when it suits our plan against the opposition we are facing, the further behind the leaders we will fall.

 

[Pinchy]

So QPR had an off day, as did West Ham, Southampton, Fulham, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Charlton. That's an awful lot of off days that happen to coincide with us being on the fixture list.

Yes, some people do need to get a grip. We disposed of those sides by playing well. You say we only beat them because they played badly. They played badly in large part because we made them play badly. It's time people like you acknowledged that we don't have a squad of useless, talentless journeymen. No, they aren't world beaters, and they are definitely under performing in the league, but they do have ability. Whatever the league shortcomings, they are not down to the inadequacies of our players on the ability front. You simply cannot producer that many 'shock' results in a twelve month period if you lack ability.

We should not be viewing our cup exploits as flukes that have been handed to us by higher placed side after higher placed side playing badly. We should instead be looking at how we can transfer our cup performances to our league games.

Nowhere have I said that our squad is superior to QPR's or Southampton's. But I certainly think it is better than people like you give it credit for, and trying to claim that the only reason we have won our cup matches is because the higher placed sides have played badly is a grotesque insult to the players and management of this club.

It's pretty unbelievable that we not only win, but win well and yet some of our alleged supporters still give us no credit. Yes, sooner or later we will lose a cup match. One day we may even get a bit of a hiding, but when we have won by playing well and outplaying higher placed opposition I think our often maligned players and management are deserving of some credit.

100%, 24 carat common-sense. It won't go down well with the single-cells!

 

[Darthblade]

Why is it that every time we have a great result like today, we've played "a very poor Premier League team, it has to be said"? The opposition fans come out with it, their manager usually does, and even the majority of us do truth be told.

Bottom line is that a poor Premier League team will generally have enough to beat an average 3rd division team. They have internationals playing for them, they have strength in depth and they have Premier League management teams.

Could it be that the Premier League is over hyped, these Fancy Dan players aren't that shit hot when they have to fight? Or maybe, and best of all ,we could be better than we think we are?

Our league results suggest that we're average, our Cup results tell a different story so will the real Sheffield United please stand up. If we play with pace and passion we can still piss this league.

Nobody should detract from the excellent result vs QPR, however, this highlights the issues with us in the League games.

We will not and cannot "piss the league" because our squad is better suited to play Premiership & Championship teams than the ones in our "agricultural" division. When our little players get flattened in L1 we don't get free kicks given and our midfield that performs so well in the Cup is simply bullied into submission.

That ..... is the problem we face and why we will not be promoted unless we have major surgery on the squad this week, not at the end of January.
UTB & FTP

 

[blader]

So QPR had an off day, as did West Ham, Southampton, Fulham, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Charlton. That's an awful lot of off days that happen to coincide with us being on the fixture list.

Yes, some people do need to get a grip. We disposed of those sides by playing well. You say we only beat them because they played badly. They played badly in large part because we made them play badly. It's time people like you acknowledged that we don't have a squad of useless, talentless journeymen. No, they aren't world beaters, and they are definitely under performing in the league, but they do have ability. Whatever the league shortcomings, they are not down to the inadequacies of our players on the ability front. You simply cannot producer that many 'shock' results in a twelve month period if you lack ability.

We should not be viewing our cup exploits as flukes that have been handed to us by higher placed side after higher placed side playing badly. We should instead be looking at how we can transfer our cup performances to our league games.

Nowhere have I said that our squad is superior to QPR's or Southampton's. But I certainly think it is better than people like you give it credit for, and trying to claim that the only reason we have won our cup matches is because the higher placed sides have played badly is a grotesque insult to the players and management of this club.

It's pretty unbelievable that we not only win, but win well and yet some of our alleged supporters still give us no credit. Yes, sooner or later we will lose a cup match. One day we may even get a bit of a hiding, but when we have won by playing well and outplaying higher placed opposition I think our often maligned players and management are deserving of some credit.

Stopped caring halfway through. My original and only point in this thread is that QPR have better players, and therefore must underperform for us to win. If you don't agree, I really don't care quite frankly!

 

[blader]

PS

I never said we didn't play excellently, nor did I say we didn't stop QPR playing. I was simply providing an answer to the OP, in that it is reported in this manor because the only way we can beat QPR is by them not being at their best, which they weren't.

Unless you think we have a better side than QPR, it's just logical, there isn't even opinion in what I said really!

But then Forums don't want logic, do they. What I meant was 'we are the best team in the country, fuck the pigs, we love Ched, we're everyone's cup final, Game Changing Investment, the blades are going up'

*Sits back and waits for likes*

 

[mattbianco1]

blader is just upset that his Bristol City failed to knock Doncaster out

 

[blader]

blader is just upset that his Bristol City failed to knock Doncaster out

Told you we'd go up though, didn't i?

 

[oldblade]

Stopped caring halfway through. My original and only point in this thread is that QPR have better players, and therefore must underperform for us to win. If you don't agree, I really don't care quite frankly!

So why reply?

You went a bit further than saying QPR have better players and therefore must underperform for us to win. You said if QPR played as well as they could and we also did, they would hammer us. You also said that for an upset to occur the premier league side must be poor.

No credit at all given to how well the underdog might have played, or any consideration of the possibility that the third division side may have stopped the other side from plying well.

And I very much doubt that QPR at their best would hammer us at our best. All on field evidence would suggest otherwise.

 

[oldblade]

blader is just upset that his Bristol City failed to knock Doncaster out

I think he's just upset that we won and won by playing well.

 

[blader]

So why reply?

You went a bit further than saying QPR have better players and therefore must underperform for us to win. You said if QPR played as well as they could and we also did, they would hammer us. You also said that for an upset to occur the premier league side must be poor.

No credit at all given to how well the underdog might have played, or any consideration of the possibility that the third division side may have stopped the other side from plying well..

OK, do you not think QPR at their best would hammer us? You know, as they're kind of 2 divisions above us and all that....

I wasn't talking about the game at all, you have completely misunderstood my initial post. The question of the thread was 'why is it we played a 'poor premier league team' when we beat them?'.

Well, the obvious answer, is that they have to under perform for us to win. I, at no point whatsoever, offer an explanation as to WHY they underperformed. I just stated the truth, which you extrapolated into a completely unnecessary rant! I hope you look back and realise I said nothing negative about us in any way in this thread, and realise I was responding to the OP's question. It

 

[oldblade]

OK, do you not think QPR at their best would hammer us? You know, as they're kind of 2 divisions above us and all that....

I wasn't talking about the game at all, you have completely misunderstood my initial post. The question of the thread was 'why is it we played a 'poor premier league team' when we beat them?'.

Well, the obvious answer, is that they have to under perform for us to win. I, at no point whatsoever, offer an explanation as to WHY they underperformed. I just stated the truth, which you extrapolated into a completely unnecessary rant! I hope you look back and realise I said nothing negative about us in any way in this thread, and realise I was responding to the OP's question. It

No I do not think QPR at their best would hammer us at our best. And, although there are some premier league sides who might give us a bit of a hiding I think there are many other premier league sides who would struggle against us.

I would suggest that saying QPR at their best would hammer us is a very negative comment about us, just as suggesting that the only way we beat them is through them being (I think the word you used was) pooh is also very negative about us and our performance.

Prior to being taken to task you make no acknowledgement or consideration that we might have won because we played well and stopped them from playing well.

Perhaps negativity is so ingrained into you that you don't even see when your being negative. And I fully realise you were responding to the OP, and in so doing you were negative and negative about us..

 

[Woodwardfan]

Isn't it all a question of Premier League teams having their main eyes on the league and when we meet them in the cups it's not really a main event for them. The Southampton game was a main event for them but football games are so unpredictable - even our very top s2 predictor of results so far this season has only got 104 right out of 257 games, everybody else is worse than that. That's football.

We play ideal cup football. If the opposition are not focused or in the slightest way complacent then our system will see them off.

Just like the long stream of lesser teams who take points from us at Bramall Lane most weeks. They play a game which demands we win the games and they are there to pick up the pieces if we are not set upright or properly focused.

We have no management problem in the cup games but we have hell of a management problem in the league where we are " the underperforming better team who have an off-day". Thing is it happens too often to be an "off-day".

 

[brummyblade]

If you beat the other team then ipso facto they are having a poor day and you are having a good day. Cogito ergo sum.

 

[blader]

No I do not think QPR at their best would hammer us at our best. And, although there are some premier league sides who might give us a bit of a hiding I think there are many other premier league sides who would struggle against us.

I would suggest that saying QPR at their best would hammer us is a very negative comment about us, just as suggesting that the only way we beat them is through them being (I think the word you used was) pooh is also very negative about us and our performance.

Prior to being taken to task you make no acknowledgement or consideration that we might have won because we played well and stopped them from playing well.

Perhaps negativity is so ingrained into you that you don't even see when your being negative. And I fully realise you were responding to the OP, and in so doing you were negative and negative about us..

Well, I've never heard so much shite. Honesty, I was going to offer you the benefit of your opinion, but how you can say QPR at their best wouldn't hammer us then I don't know where to go from there.

On that logic, Do you think Kidderminster would beat us at out best? So biased, I really can't believe you think that!

 

[blader]

Isn't it all a question of Premier League teams having their main eyes on the league and when we meet them in the cups it's not really a main event for them
.

Like when Swansea beat us 3-0 at Bramall Lane when we were in the prem? its exactly the same really.