CONFIRMED Chris O'Grady

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Pinchy said:
Ah good, just what the debate was lacking: arrogance.

I for one have been advocating O'Grady from the outset, Not for the silly reason you advance but because of over 50 years of failing to understand the game.
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Classic post, cites arrogance then proceeds to be more arrogant than anyone else on the thread.
 

mark hones said:
Classic post, cites arrogance then proceeds to be more arrogant than anyone else on the thread.
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Classicly incorrect, what you've mistaken is that this was a statement of the factual. Nothing to do with arrogant comment, just an observation based on how things are, not what some of us would selectively believe to be true.
 
my boss is a Wednesday fan, said COG is a hell of a player. Holds the ball up, powerful forward runs they all love him, said if it wasn't for Dave Jones he'd still be at Hillsborough
 
Well done to Clough and the club, good signing and just what we need.

Can't believe the negativity from some fans - the same fans that have been moaning that we don't sign a forward - we sign one and now he's a "3rd division stiker" "over rated" "crap" etc....

Well at the moment Jonathon Forte is the second top scorer in the division!! had we signed Forte at the start of the season there would have been outrage.

If Forte can score goals in this league, then Chris O'Grady will.

We've now got 3 forwards who can all score goals and who all add something a little different. Once they are all fit it will add the finishing touch to our team.

We're in a great position going into the festive period.
 
mark hones said:
Totally agree. For us it's a case of debt free 3rd division club with mega rich Prince on board signing a 3rd division striker, now if that's not ambition I don't know what is :rolleyes:
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Isn't any striker we sign a third division striker, by virtue of the fact that we are in the third division?

I'm assuming that must be your criteria, given that if you were using the players previous/current club, you would be describing O'Grady as a Championship striker wouldn't you? One that very recently scored 15 goals in a relegated side in the Championship before getting a move to another club in the.......Championship.
 
pommpey said:
FWIW - I think O'Grady is a good acquisition.

As long as Clough adjusts the team accordingly and we continue to play decent, passing, attacking football and get the ball to the front two (I am assuming he will pair COG with Baxter or McNutts and have Higgy as a bench option) then I see him banging in some goals for us.

That said, he could however turn out like the rest of the misfiring doppers we have signed in the past few years.

But I am optimistic he won't be like that. Be nice to see a debut goal, and unlike Higdon, a continuance of goalscoring form.

pommpey
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Pompey , we will find out against MK . Do agree with you on your post , but firing on all cylinders and the right balls into the areas COG will get the goals.

How Mr Clough works , i can see that young Che Evans jumping in front of McNutts and Higgy in the pecking order . COG experience and strength , teamed up with the young kids speed and enthusiasm could be a winning formula . . We all know how Mr Clough works and definitely McNutts cannot be the flavour of the month . Higgy got sent off , then injured and is still to find his feet form and scoring boots .

Any way , move in the right direction , and good signing by Mr Clough .

UTB
 
itsinyerblood said:
Classicly incorrect, what you've mistaken is that this was a statement of the factual. Nothing to do with arrogant comment, just an observation based on how things are, not what some of us would selectively believe to be true.
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The part where Pinchy referred to me as arrogant wasn't factual. In no way was my post arrogant.

He then goes on to imply his opinion is more valid than mine because he's been watching football for longer than I've been alive. A somewhat arrogant suggestion, if you ask me.

I've said on here before, I don't ask anybody to agree with me, just to see why my opinion is what it is.

So, with that in mind, I'll explain, without a hint of arrogance, why I feel the way I do about this signing.

My disappointment stems from the fact that we have been told we have good money to spend. In my opinion, this means we should be looking at better players, with better goal scoring records at this level, than O'Grady. His previous record of just under a goal every four games is another factor that adds to my lack of excitement. He isn't the proven player I was hoping we'd sign.

I don't dislike O'Grady, despite a couple of clubs he's played for, so there is no personal vendetta, I just don't rate his as a footballer, from what I've seen of him and his previous record.

I hope he does turn out to be a gem, but at 28 years of age, he won't improve on his existing ability. If we were going for an experienced player, I'd rather it have been one doing well in this division or the one below. A greater statement of intent would have been to take a rival's best player.

If Chris O'Grady proves me wrong and bags a goal every other game or better, I will be very pleased, but I just don't see him as being a better option than Higdon or McNulty. I actually think we would have been better spending the money on an attacking right back and playing the latter two as an attacking duo.

Feel free to disagree, but please don't accuse me of arrogance.
 
blade too long said:
too many strikers , its a problem ?
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It's common knowledge that any team with ambitions to being promoted has to look to strengthen their attacking strength with at least 4 decent players. So for those unused to having to weigh up attacking possibilities, get used to this. It's the type of 'problem' we've not had for a long, long time. Looking forward to this and other 'positive' problems becoming a norm for Clough.
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
Pompey , we will find out against MK . Do agree with you on your post , but firing on all cylinders and the right balls into the areas COG will get the goals.

How Mr Clough works , i can see that young Che Evans jumping in front of McNutts and Higgy in the pecking order . COG experience and strength , teamed up with the young kids speed and enthusiasm could be a winning formula . . We all know how Mr Clough works and definitely McNutts cannot be the flavour of the month . Higgy got sent off , then injured and is still to find his feet form and scoring boots .

Any way , move in the right direction , and good signing by Mr Clough .

UTB
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Pompey , sorry meant Che Adams . Not that other bloke

UTB
 
At last a decent striker, let's hope he starts against Notts Co. He should be raring to go, I don't want to be sat their tomorrow at the 70 minute mark one down with all the forwards still on the bench.

Drop Scougall play Baxter behind O'Grady and ATTACK!
 
Latters said:
The part where Pinchy referred to me as arrogant wasn't factual. In no way was my post arrogant.

He then goes on to imply his opinion is more valid than mine because he's been watching football for longer than I've been alive. A somewhat arrogant suggestion, if you ask me.

I've said on here before, I don't ask anybody to agree with me, just to see why my opinion is what it is.

So, with that in mind, I'll explain, without a hint of arrogance, why I feel the way I do about this signing.

My disappointment stems from the fact that we have been told we have good money to spend. In my opinion, this means we should be looking at better players, with better goal scoring records at this level, than O'Grady. His previous record of just under a goal every four games is another factor that adds to my lack of excitement. He isn't the proven player I was hoping we'd sign.

I don't dislike O'Grady, despite a couple of clubs he's played for, so there is no personal vendetta, I just don't rate his as a footballer, from what I've seen of him and his previous record.

I hope he does turn out to be a gem, but at 28 years of age, he won't improve on his existing ability. If we were going for an experienced player, I'd rather it have been one doing well in this division or the one below. A greater statement of intent would have been to take a rival's best player.

If Chris O'Grady proves me wrong and bags a goal every other game or better, I will be very pleased, but I just don't see him as being a better option than Higdon or McNulty. I actually think we would have been better spending the money on an attacking right back and playing the latter two as an attacking duo.

Feel free to disagree, but please don't accuse me of arrogance.
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Latters, you know the reply you commented on? It was sent to mark hones and based on his comments.

I don't want to fall out mate, but regarding Pinchy's comments, of course I realise they're between you and him. Without going into too much depth on a my opinion vs yours debate. I know your views are held just as passionately as anyone else's on here. Personally, I like difference. without it the forum would have to be referred to as something else. Your point about taking a rival's player is easier said than done. You may wish to correct me, but any forwards in this division will be our competition for promotion. Why would any of this group choose to sell if they have promotion in their sights? What we have brought in is a player with experience. Someone who knows how to deal with the rough edges of this division, and he'll do nicely for the time being (I hope).

All things being equal, I'm far from unhappy with our current position. Clough has, after a long wait, secured the services of a player he thinks will add something we've missed. COG's signing will lift the team, so how bad can that be? There are all types of ways to gauge what can lift a team, and I hope COG's presence will have that effect on the club in general. In the nicest possible way, I hope your lack of enthusiasm with COG's signing falls flat on it's face, and that Chris becomes a pivotal figure who we'll want to sign permanently.
 
itsinyerblood said:
It's common knowledge that any team with ambitions to being promoted has to look to strengthen their attacking strength with at least 4 decent players. So for those unused to having to weigh up attacking possibilities, get used to this. It's the type of 'problem' we've not had for a long, long time. Looking forward to this and other 'positive' problems becoming a norm for Clough.
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totally agree
 

Latters said:
The part where Pinchy referred to me as arrogant wasn't factual. In no way was my post arrogant.

He then goes on to imply his opinion is more valid than mine because he's been watching football for longer than I've been alive. A somewhat arrogant suggestion, if you ask me.

I've said on here before, I don't ask anybody to agree with me, just to see why my opinion is what it is.

So, with that in mind, I'll explain, without a hint of arrogance, why I feel the way I do about this signing.

My disappointment stems from the fact that we have been told we have good money to spend. In my opinion, this means we should be looking at better players, with better goal scoring records at this level, than O'Grady. His previous record of just under a goal every four games is another factor that adds to my lack of excitement. He isn't the proven player I was hoping we'd sign.

I don't dislike O'Grady, despite a couple of clubs he's played for, so there is no personal vendetta, I just don't rate his as a footballer, from what I've seen of him and his previous record.

I hope he does turn out to be a gem, but at 28 years of age, he won't improve on his existing ability. If we were going for an experienced player, I'd rather it have been one doing well in this division or the one below. A greater statement of intent would have been to take a rival's best player.

If Chris O'Grady proves me wrong and bags a goal every other game or better, I will be very pleased, but I just don't see him as being a better option than Higdon or McNulty. I actually think we would have been better spending the money on an attacking right back and playing the latter two as an attacking duo.

Feel free to disagree, but please don't accuse me of arrogance.[/QUOTE


Latters , like your post but we have got to give the lad COG a chance .He has not even put his boots and Blades kit on yet .I have been in Brighton , and the feedback from the fans i chatted to , was that they rated him , but he had a fall out with the manager and was not fully focussed . He is someone who i would want in the trenches with me . He did bully and give Harry the run around with his strength and skill , the last time we played Barnsley . He will be a hit with us fans , i have no doubt about that . Let us hope he is also a hit with Mr Clough . PNE wanted him with Garner being injured . Bristol City , Peterborough have made striker loan signings . If COG had not signed for us , and signed for someone else in League 1 ,the negative would be much much greater than the positive mode we are now in. Good luck to COG and the Blades for the do or die promotion push , of which the odds have greatly improved , for a automatic spot .

UTB
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Latters said:
The part where Pinchy referred to me as arrogant wasn't factual. In no way was my post arrogant.

He then goes on to imply his opinion is more valid than mine because he's been watching football for longer than I've been alive. A somewhat arrogant suggestion, if you ask me.

I've said on here before, I don't ask anybody to agree with me, just to see why my opinion is what it is.

So, with that in mind, I'll explain, without a hint of arrogance, why I feel the way I do about this signing.

My disappointment stems from the fact that we have been told we have good money to spend. In my opinion, this means we should be looking at better players, with better goal scoring records at this level, than O'Grady. His previous record of just under a goal every four games is another factor that adds to my lack of excitement. He isn't the proven player I was hoping we'd sign.

I don't dislike O'Grady, despite a couple of clubs he's played for, so there is no personal vendetta, I just don't rate his as a footballer, from what I've seen of him and his previous record.

I hope he does turn out to be a gem, but at 28 years of age, he won't improve on his existing ability. If we were going for an experienced player, I'd rather it have been one doing well in this division or the one below. A greater statement of intent would have been to take a rival's best player.

If Chris O'Grady proves me wrong and bags a goal every other game or better, I will be very pleased, but I just don't see him as being a better option than Higdon or McNulty. I actually think we would have been better spending the money on an attacking right back and playing the latter two as an attacking duo.

Feel free to disagree, but please don't accuse me of arrogance.
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Your plea will fall on deaf ears if you persist with the self-indulgent suggestions that:

1. Anyone who doesn't follow your line of thinking knows nothing about football.
2. Those who are happy about COG's arrival are simply so relieved that we've got a striker that any numpty will do.

Both are arrogant and incorrect statements. Not the best combination.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Latters, you know the reply you commented on? It was sent to mark hones and based on his comments.

I don't want to fall out mate, but regarding Pinchy's comments, of course I realise they're between you and him. Without going into too much depth on a my opinion vs yours debate. I know your views are held just as passionately as anyone else's on here. Personally, I like difference. without it the forum would have to be referred to as something else. Your point about taking a rival's player is easier said than done. You may wish to correct me, but any forwards in this division will be our competition for promotion. Why would any of this group choose to sell if they have promotion in their sights? What we have brought in is a player with experience. Someone who knows how to deal with the rough edges of this division, and he'll do nicely for the time being (I hope).

All things being equal, I'm far from unhappy with our current position. Clough has, after a long wait, secured the services of a player he thinks will add something we've missed. COG's signing will lift the team, so how bad can that be? There are all types of ways to gauge what can lift a team, and I hope COG's presence will have that effect on the club in general. In the nicest possible way, I hope your lack of enthusiasm with COG's signing falls flat on it's face, and that Chris becomes a pivotal figure who we'll want to sign permanently.
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I'm not falling out. Falling out isn't in my nature :) I only quoted you for the reference to Pinchy's post that you said was factual. I was merely pointing out that that aspect of it wasn't factual. My post wasn't a lengthy personal tirade against you and I didn't think you were necessarily calling me arrogant. That was a general addendum.

Anyway, with that out of the way...

I appreciate signing other teams' best players is easier said than done, but this is one thing that often separates the successful from the also rans. We should be in a position to make other clubs in this division offers they cannot refuse. That is why I think it would have been a greater statement of intent. The fact it is not easy is why all teams aren't going out stealing their rival's stars, but it would really set us apart from what would soon be the chasing pack.

O'Grady may turn out to be very good. I would be more pleased than I would surprised. I really don't mind being wrong, as long as it is for good reasons!
 
Pinchy said:
Your plea will fall on deaf ears if you persist with the self-indulgent suggestions that:

1. Anyone who doesn't follow your line of thinking knows nothing about football.
2. Those who are happy about COG's arrival are simply so relieved that we've got a striker that any numpty will do.

Both are arrogant and incorrect statements. Not the best combination.
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Pinchy, you aren't a stupid man, so I'm sure the irony of the statement in bold, coming from you, isn't lost. Unless you forgot the winking smiley afterwards.

Besides, I didn't actually say either of those things did I? I just said I didn't understand the view that he guaranteed promotion. I'm open to explanations in this regard.

Re. Point 2. I think the club have managed the situation and built the signing up to more than it is. The lack of any movement prior to now will, no doubt, have raised excitement levels now we finally have some progress.
 

Latters , Pinchy . We have to give COG a chance . He has not yet put his boots and Blades kit on yet . PNE were after him and Bristol City and Peterborough have just got in loan striker signings . If he had not signed for us , but another league 1 club , the negatives would totally outweigh the positives his signing have given the fans and hopefully playing staff.

I have been in Brighton , and the fans feedback , i talked to , was COG is a good acquisition for us , but he was not always focused on the task in hand . Let us hope Mr Clough gets on with him .

GOG is the only striker , i have seen give Harry the run around , when he was playing for Barnsley ,

Positive signing . Positive move , Positive for promotion.

UTB
 
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Latters said:
The part where Pinchy referred to me as arrogant wasn't factual. In no way was my post arrogant.

He then goes on to imply his opinion is more valid than mine because he's been watching football for longer than I've been alive. A somewhat arrogant suggestion, if you ask me.

I've said on here before, I don't ask anybody to agree with me, just to see why my opinion is what it is.

So, with that in mind, I'll explain, without a hint of arrogance, why I feel the way I do about this signing.

My disappointment stems from the fact that we have been told we have good money to spend. In my opinion, this means we should be looking at better players, with better goal scoring records at this level, than O'Grady. His previous record of just under a goal every four games is another factor that adds to my lack of excitement. He isn't the proven player I was hoping we'd sign.

I don't dislike O'Grady, despite a couple of clubs he's played for, so there is no personal vendetta, I just don't rate his as a footballer, from what I've seen of him and his previous record.

I hope he does turn out to be a gem, but at 28 years of age, he won't improve on his existing ability. If we were going for an experienced player, I'd rather it have been one doing well in this division or the one below. A greater statement of intent would have been to take a rival's best player.

If Chris O'Grady proves me wrong and bags a goal every other game or better, I will be very pleased, but I just don't see him as being a better option than Higdon or McNulty. I actually think we would have been better spending the money on an attacking right back and playing the latter two as an attacking duo.

Feel free to disagree, but please don't accuse me of arrogance.
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I won't accuse you of arrogance but I will question your rationale for being underwhelmed by the O'Grady signing. You question his goals per game ratio and suggest your preference for signing one of our rivals' best players (assume you mean striker?) instead. Who are you referring to?

Garner? (career goal ratio: 1 in 3; reducing to 1 in 5 in the Championship, and out for 4 months)

Agard? (career goal ratio: 1 in 3, all scored in lower leagues)

Doyle? (career goal ratio: 1 in 3, all scored in Ireland, Scotland and Lge 1)

Forte???????

Personally I'd rather stick with 1 in 4 O Grady, who improves to 1 in 3 in the Championship, works his absolute socks off every single game and gave Harry the hardest game of his career when they beat us 0-1 at The Lane.
 
Latters said:
I'm not falling out. Falling out isn't in my nature :) I only quoted you for the reference to Pinchy's post that you said was factual. I was merely pointing out that that aspect of it wasn't factual. My post wasn't a lengthy personal tirade against you and I didn't think you were necessarily calling me arrogant. That was a general addendum.

Anyway, with that out of the way...

I appreciate signing other teams' best players is easier said than done, but this is one thing that often separates the successful from the also rans. We should be in a position to make other clubs in this division offers they cannot refuse. That is why I think it would have been a greater statement of intent. The fact it is not easy is why all teams aren't going out stealing their rival's stars, but it would really set us apart from what would soon be the chasing pack.

O'Grady may turn out to be very good. I would be more pleased than I would surprised. I really don't mind being wrong, as long as it is for good reasons!
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Ok, let's look at the fella Doyle at Chesterfield. Doing well at the moment, but it's his first season at this level so whether it's fluke or design, even if Chesterfield fancied flogging him, it would be a gamble, a big one in fact. Whereas COG has vastly more experience, and what price you put on that I've no idea? Your question about what we can or can't afford to buy rests fair and square with Clough. It's been said many times that a budget was discussed and that Clough was happy with this. Beyond that, what does it take to convince anyone that unless NC is unhappy with how his employers have behaved towards him they would seem to have conducted themselves in a positive manner. I know there are those who think otherwise, but a conspiracy theory will always find favour with anyone who feels let down.

As for signs of intent, let's wait until we're down to the wire. It will then be clear if the manager has done enough to put us in contention for promotion. Maybe Clough's firm stance is to ensure that the club aren't viewed as an easy touch, therefore we won't squander money as Robson did. Clough has not only done well so far, he's shown an all-round awareness of what it takes to get this club pushing in the direction he wants it to go. That's good enough for me. No doubt, at a higher level, Clough's perspectives will adapt to what he needs to do in order to help us improve. For now, I'm happy for those who reveal their lack of understanding of what it takes to bring progress (and that's not a pop at yourself) to make one shrill comment after another in order to reveal their inability to grasp what Clough needs to do and why. It will ever be thus.
 
The Bohemian said:
I won't accuse you of arrogance but I will question your rationale for being underwhelmed by the O'Grady signing. You question his goals per game ratio and suggest your preference for signing one of our rivals' best players (assume you mean striker?) instead. Who are you referring to?

Garner? (career goal ratio: 1 in 3; reducing to 1 in 5 in the Championship, and out for 4 months)

Agard? (career goal ratio: 1 in 3, all scored in lower leagues)

Doyle? (career goal ratio: 1 in 3, all scored in Ireland, Scotland and Lge 1)

Forte???????

Personally I'd rather stick with 1 in 4 O Grady, who improves to 1 in 3 in the Championship, works his absolute socks off every single game and gave Harry the hardest game of his career when they beat us 0-1 at The Lane.
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Bohemian , summed it up much better than i ever could . Spot on.

This signing as said before , is the final COG in the wheel of fortune for promotion , for the Blades .

UTB
 
Latters said:
Pinchy, you aren't a stupid man, so I'm sure the irony of the statement in bold, coming from you, isn't lost. Unless you forgot the winking smiley afterwards.

Besides, I didn't actually say either of those things did I? I just said I didn't understand the view that he guaranteed promotion. I'm open to explanations in this regard.

Re. Point 2. I think the club have managed the situation and built the signing up to more than it is. The lack of any movement prior to now will, no doubt, have raised excitement levels now we finally have some progress.
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The vast majority of contributors on here were enthusiastic about O'Grady right from the outset; when it first became clear he was a target. I was one of the main advocates [No, I'm more important than that, the main advocate] of signing him. I have been absolutely consistent in that. I think you are belittling [OK, not deliberately I accept] those of us who welcome the arrival of COG by your clear assertion that our view has been conditioned by the "A striker at last - great - he must be a great striker" syndrome.

My forecast is that you'll change your mind about COG. He's a proper centre-forward, not a big lump of a target man with little else to commend him. He's a real handful for defenders, strong as an ox (I well remember him dominating our defence in the 2-2 at The Lane when JB scored that wonderful equaliser). He is mobile and no snail either. He does score goals, not at prolific levels but 15 last season in the Championship for a shite team is not shabby. He will also fit like a glove with our attacking midfielders,

You would genuinely rather have someone from the fourth division, you say? That, with respect, is a bizarre point of view on any objective analysis. There is no striker in League Two as good as COG.

I'm afraid there is a tendency amongst supporters to denigrate and devalue everything our club does at the moment. The truth is our club, slowly but surely, is on the up under Nigel Clough. It takes time and progress may appear slow at times and decisions may frustrate. I can't readily accept, however, the apparent perverse desire amongst some of us to undermine our revival. It is self-destructive isn't it?
 
Pleased with the signing but don't think he is much of a goal scorer - hos season with Barnsley (15 goals) is the only time he has scored over this amount in his career. However if he can hold the ball up, win headers and bring others into play and work hard for the team hopefully some of others (Baxter, Murphy etc) will get more space/chances.

Interesting that Peterboro signed Mackail Smith; a player I have always like (not sure why they have signed MacLean - poor player for me). Preston have signed Beckford and Bristol Matt Smith from Fulham (Bristol were physical at the Lane; having him and Wilbraham will make them very hard to defend against - direct but effective).

Still feel we lack raw pace up the top and still with Wallace always injured need another consistent central midfielder we can real on for me to play alongside Doyle and Baxter/Scougall just in front.
 

I think Brighton was a poor choice for O'Grady. When I watched them a couple of years back at Nottingham Forest they looked like a continental team, more than an English. Sami Hyypiä said he was going to try make them more direct, but I don't think he's succeeded. I watched them once this season, at Watford. O'Grady did ok, but they didn't use him as often as he would have liked, and he looked like he didn't quite fit in.

We've also been too slow at times this season, but I think that's partly due to us not quite finding the right balance in our team selections. The likes of Scougall, Murphy and JCR are more suited to a high tempo game than a slow, patient build up. So too is O'Grady. He's an honest and hard working striker who relies on his athleticism, not his silky skills, a bit like Ade Akinbiyi did before he went downhill and signed for us. I'm quite positive about him. Hopefully he'll get a good start and get his confidence back.
 
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