oh good...

[raul]

Foregtting the SUFC angle, you could set up a petition asserting his right to play football again on the principled right to rehabilitation ground. That's just as much a political principle as the one Ms Hatchet is asserting.

Why not set up such a petition? Bet you don't get anything like 90,000 signatures.

It's almost as if they're bookending the Ched subject while we all look on enthralled from the hotel window....horribly morbid, but you just can't tear your eyes away.

Oh yes you can.....

 

[Jehovah]

After all this, cant wait for the "GONE ELSEWHERE" Ched thread in a few days

 

[SwissBlade]

Which she will do. She's a sad, mad woman who is riding a wave of being someone people are interested in off the back of this.

She's got a right to do this stuff, but she's perhaps jumping upon the band wagon of disgust and whipping up a frenzy rather than actually considering that he's a free man having done his time

 

[Highbury_Blade]

She's got a right to do this stuff, but she's perhaps jumping upon the band wagon of disgust and whipping up a frenzy rather than actually considering that he's a free man having done his time

Wether he's free or not is immaterial to her. He's a man, he's one of the enemy.

 

[Darren]

She's got a right to do this stuff, but she's perhaps jumping upon the band wagon of disgust and whipping up a frenzy rather than actually considering that he's a free man having done his time

I don't agree with it, but I think her line, is per se, a reasonable one - that to have someone who is a convicted rapist going straight back into a glamarous well paid job tends to suggest rape is not that big a deal.

Virtually every woman I have spoken to about it (not all of them rabid feminists) take that line.

 

[SwissBlade]

Wether he's free or not is immaterial to her. He's a man, he's one of the enemy.

Yeah and I'm sure she has her reasons. In fairness if it wasn't her it'd be someone else. Let em crack on

The main thing is, he gets fit and starts pushing for his starting place.

If I'm honest, I'm at the point where I just hope he comes and plays for us with exceptional form and behaviour.

Our clubs name has been dragged through the shit before, it'll get dragged through again regardless of ched.

So get hmm back, get him fit and get the hatchet lady a season ticket.

I'll buy her a pie and a pint myself

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I don't agree with it, but I think her line, is per se, a reasonable one - that to have someone who is a convicted rapist going straight back into a glamarous well paid job tends to suggest rape is not that big a deal.

Virtually every woman I have spoken to about it (not all of them rabid feminists) take that line.

Anyone with half a brain knows that rape is a big deal. The problem is that there are a lot of football fans that don't have half a brain.

 

[Darren]

Anyone with half a brain knows that rape is a big deal. The problem is that there are a lot of football fans that don't have half a brain.

Which is precisely their point I think. Without defending Ms H's attitude, see some of the messages she gets and re-tweets from brain dead football fans

 

[SwissBlade]

I don't agree with it, but I think her line, is per se, a reasonable one - that to have someone who is a convicted rapist going straight back into a glamarous well paid job tends to suggest rape is not that big a deal.

Virtually every woman I have spoken to about it (not all of them rabid feminists) take that line.

Interesting.

Taking you back to your rapist labelling of earlier. Do you also tag your clients per their previous convictions when you represent them? "Your honour, my client the rapist...."

As for asking women. My mum, nan and sister think that he should be able to play again. I didn't ask any other women.

 

[sitwell]

Can I ask Darren if not football what do you and your women suggest he does ? Surely football is one of the safest jobs around ? A pitch full of men with thousands of witnesses

 

[JJ Sefton]

I don't agree with it, but I think her line, is per se, a reasonable one - that to have someone who is a convicted rapist going straight back into a glamarous well paid job tends to suggest rape is not that big a deal.

Virtually every woman I have spoken to about it (not all of them rabid feminists) take that line.

It doesn't suggest anything of the kind.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Which is precisely their point I think. Without defending Ms H's attitude, see some of the messages she gets and re-tweets from brain dead football fans

She's pretty brain dead herself in fairness.

 

[JJ Sefton]

As for asking women. My mum, nan and sister think that he should be able to play again.

My wife agrees.

 

[Darren]

Can I ask Darren if not football what do you and your women suggest he does ? Surely football is one of the safest jobs around ? A pitch full of men with thousands of witnesses

It's not the point about him being a danger. No one is suggesting he is. It's about the message, they say, it sends to people about the seriousness of rape.,

Anyway, as I said, I don't agree with the argument, I am just saying it is a reasonable argument to put forward. On principle I agree with those who say he should be entitled to carry on his life on release. In practice, I think it will be harmful to and destabilise SUFC if he signs for them. Hence I don't want him to re-sign for United. If someone else wants to sign him, good luck to him and them.

 

[Rollerball]

Im confused, easily done but is she protesting him coming back to SUFC, football in general or any glamorous well paid job or indeed any job whatsoever ?
Maybe if he agreed to be chemically castrated would that mollify her?
Does she not think that he will be scrutinised and watched every minute of every day, by his fiancée at the very least and his days of womanising in hotel rooms are over?

 

[Darren]

It doesn't suggest anything of the kind.

Again. Your opinion. Obviously at least 100,000 people don't agree with you.

 

[SwissBlade]

Anyone with half a brain knows that rape is a big deal. The problem is that there are a lot of football fans that don't have half a brain.

Nowadays I think there are a lot of football fans with common sense though. Granted many without and especially after a bevvy or two

Virtually all the women Darren asked said they didn't agree though

 

[SwissBlade]

Again. Your opinion. Obviously at least 100,000 people don't agree with you.

No. Incorrect. 100,000 people didn't 'like' a petition

 

[JJ Sefton]

Again. Your opinion. Obviously at least 100,000 people don't agree with you.

Indeed. But there is no logical link between him being reemployed once his sentence is up in a 'high paid, glamorous job' and whether or not the employer takes rape seriously. They could take it perfectly seriously and still reemploy him.

 

[Darren]

Indeed. But there is no logical link between him being reemployed once his sentence is up in a 'high paid, glamorous job' and whether or not the employer takes rape seriously. They could take it perfectly seriously and still reemploy him.

It's not about the employer's attitude. It's about what message they say it sends to people generally, that you can commit rape and then walk straight back him to a glamarous well paid job and that some people will deduce from that that rape is not such a big deal.

As I say, I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that view, but it is possible to counter it by powerful statements from the club and Evans (I mean, whar would it take for him to put out a statement saying he abhors all rape and sexual violence and to prove it will donate his first month's wages to a Rape Crisis Centre or some such? - they might refuse it, but then they look shit, not him). I think that the utter silence on the issue from both him and the club has been appalling media management.

You may take the robust view that he should not pander to the likes of Jean Hatchet and if it were only her and ilk I would agree with you - no-one pays any attention to the ramblings of radical feminists - but it isn't, like it or lump it most people will, I believe, think it is distasteful if he gets his job back straightaway and SUFC will be the dogs house about the whole thing unless it is managed properly.

 

[Grecian2000]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again (coz it's Ched thread so that's what you must do).

I've been ambivalent but every time I see shit from this cow I think:

Please, please, please sign him. I will even go back to getting a season ticket if you do. I'll buy a shirt (complete with logo and everything, whoever the fucking manufacturer is) with his number on and "Rapist" as the name and I'll get SUFC - Football Against Radical Lesbians tattooed on my arse.
Announce it today,announce it loud and proud and announce he's got a huge bonus for making the Hatchet woman wet her knickers about it all.

 

[JJ Sefton]

It's not about the employer's attitude. It's about what message they say it sends to people generally, that you can commit rape and then walk straight back him to a glamarous well paid job and that some people will deduce from that that rape is not such a big deal.

Sheffield United doesn't exist to 'send messages'.

I have a very close friend who is a convicted murderer. I have dinner with him, I drink with him, I watch Spurs matches with him. I suppose I don't take the crime of murder seriously and should stop knocking about with him to 'send a message'.

 

[JJ Sefton]

As I say, I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that view, but it is possible to counter it by powerful statements from the club and Evans (I mean, whar would it take for him to put out a statement saying he abhors all rape and sexual violence and to prove it will donate his first month's wages to a Rape Crisis Centre or some such? - they might refuse it, but then they look shit, not him). I think that the utter silence on the issue from both him and the club has been appalling media management.

You may take the robust view that he should not pander to the likes of Jean Hatchet and if it were only her and ilk I would agree with you - no-one pays any attention to the ramblings of radical feminists - but it isn't, like it or lump it most people will, I believe, think it is distasteful if he gets his job back straightaway and SUFC will be the dogs house about the whole thing unless it is managed properly.

I don't know if we're going to sign him or not, I'd rather we didn't. But I would hate to see the club dancing around to appease some deranged sexist like Ms Hatchet.

 

[SwissBlade]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again (coz it's Ched thread so that's what you must do).

I've been ambivalent but every time I see shit from this cow I think:

Please, please, please sign him. I will even go back to getting a season ticket if you do. I'll buy a shirt (complete with logo and everything, whoever the fucking manufacturer is) with his number on and "Rapist" as the name and I'll get SUFC - Football Against Radical Lesbians tattooed on my arse.
Announce it today,announce it loud and proud and announce he's got a huge bonus for making the Hatchet woman wet her knickers about it all.

Oh that twitter feed does make her seem like a proper cunt

 

[Darren]

Sheffield United doesn't exist to 'send messages'.

I have a very close friend who is a convicted murderer. I have dinner with him, I drink with him, I watch Spurs matches with him. I suppose I don't take the crime of murder seriously and should stop knocking about with him to 'send a message'.

Thing is statements like "Sheffield United does not exist to send messages" is just as much an ex cathedra unprovable statement as "re-employing a rapist sends the wrong message about rape". Statements like that only have meaning insofar as people believe them. It seems to me that you can't ignore the reality that lots of people (not just loons) are exercised by the whole "sending a message" thing.

I mean, here we are discussing Ms Hatchet's ramblings at great length. We would not do that, if she were just an islolated mad woman.

As for knowing crims. I know loads, given my line of work. Lovely people on the whole.

 

[Darren]

I don't know if we're going to sign him or not, I'd rather we didn't. But I would hate to see the club dancing around to appease some deranged sexist like Ms Hatchet.

Isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? You might agree with Ms H for very different reasons. Does that matter?

 

[sitwell]

It's not about the employer's attitude. It's about what message they say it sends to people generally, that you can commit rape and then walk straight back him to a glamarous well paid job and that some people will deduce from that that rape is not such a big deal.

As I say, I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that view, but it is possible to counter it by powerful statements from the club and Evans (I mean, whar would it take for him to put out a statement saying he abhors all rape and sexual violence and to prove it will donate his first month's wages to a Rape Crisis Centre or some such? - they might refuse it, but then they look shit, not him). I think that the utter silence on the issue from both him and the club has been appalling media management.

You may take the robust view that he should not pander to the likes of Jean Hatchet and if it were only her and ilk I would agree with you - no-one pays any attention to the ramblings of radical feminists - but it isn't, like it or lump it most people will, I believe, think it is distasteful if he gets his job back straightaway and SUFC will be the dogs house about the whole thing unless it is managed properly.

Why should he if he doesn't believe he is guilty ? That is almost like admitting hes done wrong (legally) and don't you think the feminists will jump all over that ?

 

[SwissBlade]

Isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? You might agree with Ms H for very different reasons. Does that matter?

In fairness dazzler. I remember a Friday a couple of years back when the verdict was coming in, you thought ol ched was going to get off based on the evidence given.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Thing is statements like "Sheffield United does not exist to send messages" is just as much an ex cathedra unprovable statement as "re-employing a rapist sends the wrong message about rape".

What do you think the words 'F.C.' in Sheffield United F.C. stand for?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? You might agree with Ms H for very different reasons. Does that matter?

Not really.