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Darren said:
Indeed. But like I say, I don't see 90,000 people signing a petition saying "rehabilitate Ched Evans". You will always get more people, in an abstract way, wanting to put the boot into crims rather than help them. Sad, but true.
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That's often the way of these things. For example, the University of London Union was shut down recently amid much anger, marches, demos, sit in etc, from some students opposed to it. There wasnt a single demo in support of the closure. Yet polls on the issue suggests that most students did support it. Maybe they had better things to do?
 

Darren said:
Pretty obvious isn't it? :)

Surely you are not one of those starry eyed utopians who think Evans thinks he "owes" SUFC and thus would play for us on a quarter of the money rather than, say, Norwich or Wolves?
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Two possibilities here:-

1) Evans has contacted every club in The Championship from his prison cell and asked them if they want to sign him and how much they're willing to pay him?

2) He doesn't know if any club wants to sign him or how much they will pay him but he just wants to go back to his old life and has decided to give United first refusal.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
That's often the way of these things. For example, the University of London Union was shut down recently amid much anger, marches, demos, sit in etc, from some students opposed to it. There wasnt a single demo in support of the closure. Yet polls on the issue suggests that most students did support it. Maybe they had better things to do?
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But as you say, clicking an on line petition is piss easy. No effort needed. If you get far more people opining option A that takes minimal effort rather than option B that takes minimal effort I think it is a fair assumption that more people agree with option A.

Obviously, no proper scientific poll has been done, but I bet if one were, you would get a large majority agreeing with the proposition that a professional footballer convicted of rape should not get his jobe back on release. It's classic populist territory.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Two possibilities here:-

1) Evans has contacted every club in The Championship from his prison cell and asked them if they want to sign him and how much they're willing to pay him?

2) He doesn't know if any club wants to sign him or how much they will pay him but he just wants to go back to his old life and has decided to give United first refusal.
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Oh come on. Have all the clubs in the 2nd tier lost their "prisons guide to Emgland"? If any 2nd tier club had any interest in him, they would contact him and/or his agent.
 
Darren said:
Oh come on. Have all the clubs in the 2nd tier lost their "prisons guide to Emgland"? If any 2nd tier club had any interest in him, they would contact him and/or his agent.
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You don't think Rotherham (for example) would be interested in signing a £3M rated player for nothing on cheap wages?
 
Darren said:
But as you say, clicking an on line petition is piss easy. No effort needed. If you get far more people opining option A that takes minimal effort rather than option B that takes minimal effort I think it is a fair assumption that more people agree with option A.

Obviously, no proper scientific poll has been done, but I bet if one were, you would get a large majority agreeing with the proposition that a professional footballer convicted of rape should not get his jobe back on release. It's classic populist territory.
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It may just mean that one side of the debate doesnt have anyone as nutty as Jean Hatchet.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
You don't think Rotherham (for example) would be interested in signing a £3M rated player for nothing on cheap wages?
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(a) I don't think anyone would rate a player with one good season in the 3rd Division at £3m;
(b) I don't think anyone in the 2nd tier would be interested in a player who was shit when he played in the 2nd tier and comes with a rape conviction and a media shitstorm, no.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
It may just mean that one side of the debate doesnt have anyone as nutty as Jean Hatchet.
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Why would setting on a "rehabilitate Ched" petition require a nutter? And surely having a nutter running a petition makes it less likely people will sign.
 
Darren said:
Why would setting on a "rehabilitate Ched" petition require a nutter? And surely having a nutter running a petition makes it less likely people will sign.
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Not really. Ms Hatchet's obvious psychological issues are not apparent from the petition alone.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
Not really. Ms Hatchet's obvious psychological issues are not apparent from the petition alone.
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So then the nuttiness is an irrelevant factor.

This is all going round in circles. If you disagree that most people would not agree with the people who sign the petition, given that there is no evidence other than the petition, we can't take this further.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
Well lets not pass off opinion with the certainty of fact then.
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Sorry, I assumed that people would know I wasn't privy to Mr Evans' and his agents' correspondence and thus was merely stating an opinion. I will be more careful next time.
 

Darren said:
Sorry, I assumed that people would know I wasn't privy to Mr Evans' and his agents' correspondence and thus was merely stating an opinion. I will be more careful next time.
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Just tone down the screeching.
 
The world's most repetitive debate rumbles on and grows louder. Going to be a miserable few weeks to be a United fan. At least we know the club will deal with the issue quickly and skillfully.....
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
Not really. Ms Hatchet's obvious psychological issues are not apparent from the petition alone.
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True it's the twitter feed that shows she is completly off her rocker and has not got over her own personal issues.

She sort of reminds of this woman in this episode of Two Pints.

 
Darren said:
(a) I don't think anyone would rate a player with one good season in the 3rd Division at £3m;
(b) I don't think anyone in the 2nd tier would be interested in a player who was shit when he played in the 2nd tier and comes with a rape conviction and a media shitstorm, no.
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He was apparently rated as a £3M player before he'd had one good full season in any division.
He scored 10 goals in 28 for Norwich in the second tier before we signed him (i.e. not shit).
Unlike Marlon King there seems to be little chance that Evans will be a serial re-offender.
Clubs (like us) were willing to keep re-signing King with all his baggage and personality issues.

Is it really that far-fetched that a Championship club desperate for goals to avoid relegation wouldn't be willing to ride out the initial shitstorm?
They could play the "We're helping to rehabilitate him" card and once the fuss has died down they would have a FREE 25 year old International with goalscoring potential.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
He was apparently rated as a £3M player before he'd had one good full season in any division.
He scored 10 goals in 28 for Norwich in the second tier before we signed him (i.e. not shit).
Unlike Marlon King there seems to be little chance that Evans will be a serial re-offender.
Clubs (like us) were willing to keep re-signing King with all his baggage and personality issues.

Is it really that far-fetched that a Championship club desperate for goals to avoid relegation wouldn't be willing to ride out the initial shitstorm?
They could play the "We're helping to rehabilitate him" card and once the fuss has died down they would have a FREE 25 year old International with goalscoring potential.
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We will see if a 2nd tier club does sign him. Until that time, there is no conclusion to this argument.
 
Darren said:
But as you say, clicking an on line petition is piss easy. No effort needed. If you get far more people opining option A that takes minimal effort rather than option B that takes minimal effort I think it is a fair assumption that more people agree with option A.

Obviously, no proper scientific poll has been done, but I bet if one were, you would get a large majority agreeing with the proposition that a professional footballer convicted of rape should not get his jobe back on release. It's classic populist territory.
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How do we know how many people agree with option B if nobody set up a petition in support of option B?

The people signing the petition think there will be a negative impact on society by Evans signing for SUFC. The people NOT signing the petition obviously don't think there will be a negative impact on society if he signs for SUFC, but also don't think there will be anything negative about him NOT signing for SUFC (being why there is no counter petition). The only people who might oppose this petition would be people who think SUFC would suffer as a result of him NOT signing AND care about SUFC not suffering. I think, considering how most on here do not expect to see 30+ goals-a-season-Ched-Evans as soon as he resumes his career, and how SUFC will almost certainly suffer off the field if he signs, the number of people in this potential counter group will be close to zero, if not zero.

If the petition was against him playing professional football full stop then there may well be a counter petition to prevent a precedent that threatens the rights of reformed criminals.

As I've said before, the petition is flawed and utterly pointless. Assuming that he will be able to find a professional club to give him a contract, if I set up a petition that was addressed to the other 91 league clubs' chairmen begging them to sign Evans up on his release to prevent him signing for SUFC, it wouldn't get 90,000 signatures (or indeed any at all). Yet that is effectively what the petitions is doing, sending a message to the footballing world that they don't want him playing for Sheffield United. Utter nonsense.
 
Darren said:
(a) I don't think anyone would rate a player with one good season in the 3rd Division at £3m;
(b) I don't think anyone in the 2nd tier would be interested in a player who was shit when he played in the 2nd tier and comes with a rape conviction and a media shitstorm, no.
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I think Rotherhams manager knows something about re-habiltation.
 

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