oh good...

[Highbury_Blade]

Pretty obvious isn't it?

Surely you are not one of those starry eyed utopians who think Evans thinks he "owes" SUFC and thus would play for us on a quarter of the money rather than, say, Norwich or Wolves?

I am actually It appears that we have first dibs

Has anyone asked her what her stance would be should we not offer him a contract and he end up at a more high-profile club in a higher division?

I've just tweeted something to that effect a few minutes ago.

 

[Darren]

How do we know how many people agree with option B if nobody set up a petition in support of option B?

The people signing the petition think there will be a negative impact on society by Evans signing for SUFC. The people NOT signing the petition obviously don't think there will be a negative impact on society if he signs for SUFC, but also don't think there will be anything negative about him NOT signing for SUFC (being why there is no counter petition). The only people who might oppose this petition would be people who think SUFC would suffer as a result of him NOT signing AND care about SUFC not suffering. I think, considering how most on here do not expect to see 30+ goals-a-season-Ched-Evans as soon as he resumes his career, and how SUFC will almost certainly suffer off the field if he signs, the number of people in this potential counter group will be close to zero, if not zero.

If the petition was against him playing professional football full stop then there may well be a counter petition to prevent a precedent that threatens the rights of reformed criminals.

As I've said before, the petition is flawed and utterly pointless. Assuming that he will be able to find a professional club to give him a contract, if I set up a petition that was addressed to the other 91 league clubs' chairmen begging them to sign Evans up on his release to prevent him signing for SUFC, it wouldn't get 90,000 signatures (or indeed any at all). Yet that is effectively what the petitions is doing, sending a message to the footballing world that they don't want him playing for Sheffield United. Utter nonsense.

Foregtting the SUFC angle, you could set up a petition asserting his right to play football again on the principled right to rehabilitation ground. That's just as much a political principle as the one Ms Hatchet is asserting.

Why not set up such a petition? Bet you don't get anything like 90,000 signatures.

 

[Darren]

I am actually It appears that we have first dibs



I've just tweeted something to that effect a few minutes ago.

Surely her position is that he shouldn't be playing for anyone and should be cleaning toilets in a women's refuge for the next 26 years?

The only reason the petition is targeted against SUFC is because they are the only club who it has been suggested he might play for. Which brings us back to the original argument.....

 

[Bladesman]

Has anyone asked her what her stance would be should we not offer him a contract and he end up at a more high-profile club in a higher division?

If a man asks her that I doubt she could give an answer without her taking the piss for actually have the cheek to question her. I would be surprised if she answered it directly even if a woman were to ask her.

She is good at changing the conversation to suit her own arguement.

 

[Punk Blade]

Foregtting the SUFC angle, you could set up a petition asserting his right to play football again on the principled right to rehabilitation ground. That's just as much a political principle as the one Ms Hatchet is asserting.

Why not set up such a petition? Bet you don't get anything like 90,000 signatures.

I fear you may have read only the first sentence of my post.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Surely her position is that he shouldn't be playing for anyone and should be cleaning toilets in a women's refuge for the next 26 years?

The only reason the petition is targeted against SUFC is because they are the only club who it has been suggested he might play for.

Aye, most vociferously by her. I wonder if she would have got as many signatures for a petition saying "Ched Evans should never be allowed to play football again"?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Surely her position is that he shouldn't be playing for anyone and should be cleaning toilets in a women's refuge for the next 26 years?

The only reason the petition is targeted against SUFC is because they are the only club who it has been suggested he might play for. Which brings us back to the original argument.....

Perhaps it is, but if that is the case it is seriously misguided. The pressure is on us not to sign him. Once it becomes apparent that he's not going to sign for us, then she'll have to mobilise another 100,000 clicktivists in pretty short order to stop another club signing him.

 

[Bladesman]

Aye, most vociferously by her. I wonder if she would have got as many signatures for a petition saying "Ched Evans should never be allowed to play football again"?

Probably because those MASSIVE lot over in South Barnsley would have still got wind of it and would have still signed more than once per person anyway.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Perhaps it is, but if that is the case it is seriously misguided. The pressure is on us not to sign him. Once it becomes apparent that he's not going to sign for us, then she'll have to mobilise another 100,000 clicktivists in pretty short order to stop another club signing him.

Which she will do. She's a sad, mad woman who is riding a wave of being someone people are interested in off the back of this.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Probably because those MASSIVE lot over in South Barnsley would have still got wind of it and would have still signed more than once per person anyway.

Indeed. Considering that I always sign the Socialist Worker's Party petitions under the names 'Enoch Powell', 'N. Tebbitt', or 'FA Hayek' there's probably some slack in that 100,000 number.

 

[Darren]

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Perhaps it is, but if that is the case it is seriously misguided. The pressure is on us not to sign him. Once it becomes apparent that he's not going to sign for us, then she'll have to mobilise another 100,000 clicktivists in pretty short order to stop another club signing him.

Clearly her petition will have the knock on effect of making anyone else think twice about signing him. I don't think anyone will be much fussed if he signs for Accrington or some such as that demotion in his career should satisfy those who want further punishment. If he were to sign to someone better than us, I don't think she would have much trouble creating another storm.

I think there is a lot of United focus bias on here about her acheivement. Clearly she is a complete loon, but the way she has set the media agenda on this is pretty impressive and I am sure has put pressure on SUFC.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Which she will do. She's a sad, mad woman who is riding a wave of being someone people are interested in off the back of this.

It's took her months to get up to 100,000. She'll have a matter of days, or even hours if we turn him down.

 

[Darren]

Which she will do. She's a sad, mad woman who is riding a wave of being someone people are interested in off the back of this.

"In my opinion" she is a sad mad woman, surely....

 

[JJ Sefton]

If he were to sign to someone better than us, I don't think she would have much trouble creating another storm.
.

See Highbury's post above. It's taken her months to generate even this light breeze.

 

[JJ Sefton]

"In my opinion" she is a sad mad woman, surely....

Exhibit A...

https://twitter.com/JeanHatchet/with_replies

 

[JJ Sefton]

Exhibit B...

http://jeanhatchet.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/its-all-about-we-heres-my-extended-hand.html

 

[Darren]

Exhibit A...

https://twitter.com/JeanHatchet/with_replies

Still your opinion.

 

[Esablade]

PFA backs Ched's return...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29541498

It's interesting because for me it all comes back to this:

"Obviously Rape Crisis completely supports and recognises the right of any convicted criminal to return to work after they've completed their sentence, that's not something we're disputing," Russell said.

"But we have to accept that in this case it is an incredibly high-profile figure who will inevitably return... where he will be highly paid, he will get a lot of profile and will be celebrated of course for his sporting prowess.

"We would say that the responsibility is really with the clubs and the football authority more widely to send a very strong message."

The anti-Ched faction completely support his right to go back to work but not if it's high profile or he's paid well...which means, i'm guessing he can go to work but in some menial job and that would be ok?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Not forgetting exhibit C...

Clearly she is a complete loon,.

 

[Darren]

Not forgetting exhibit C...

Indeed, but I'm not the one who holds the rule that expressions of opinion are impermissible unless they are clearly signposted as such.

Consider yourself petarded.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Indeed, but I'm not the one who holds the rule that expressions of opinion are impermissible unless they are clearly signposted as such.

Consider yourself petarded.

Au contraire, I simply said tone down the shrillness.

 

[IOM Blade]

0.156% of the UK population then. The other 63,999,999 people are obviously in favour of him returning. No brainer.

 

[Punk Blade]

You know it's a proper Ched Thread when you two end up going back and forth.

 

[Darren]

Au contraire, I simply said tone down the shrillness.

You also said something like don't make assertions of fact when they are opinions. Unfortunately, there are so many Ched threads, I can't find it now!

 

[JJ Sefton]

You also said something like don't make assertions of fact when they are opinions. Unfortunately, there are so many Ched threads, I can't find it now!

It was this...

Well lets not pass off opinion with the certainty of fact then.

 

[Darren]

It was this...

Thank you.

 

[Oreyt]

....when you two end up going back and forth.

It's almost as if they're bookending the Ched subject while we all look on enthralled from the hotel window....horribly morbid, but you just can't tear your eyes away.

 

[bladesadviser]

I thought that woman was a twitter parody account, a sort of female Sid the Sexist

By all means take note of public opinion but don't base any decisions on the back of a shot to bits individual

What next no meat pies because the paramilitary wing of the vegetarian society are unhappy

 

[Menjo]

The woman's loopy, old photo representing herself as young, she''s probably an old biddy. Have just tweeted her and told her what I think of her and her stupid petition and also that as a female I'm happy to have Ched back at the Lane.

All those suffering with self righteous indignation, remember thatthere is little that is good about British justice and it is full of flaws. Take a look on the Internet if you have any doubts. I have plenty of stories after working in the law for many years.

For those in doubt when he is released, the judge clearly stated that he should serve no longer than 2.5 years in prison and accordingly should be released in October 2014.I guess that means at worst he will be a free man on 20th October, which is Monday week. Time for the Board to stand up and be counted!!!!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

The woman's loopy, old photo representing herself as young, she''s probably an old biddy. Have just tweeted her and told her what I think of her and her stupid petition and also that as a female I'm happy to have Ched back at the Lane.

The photo is of Elizabeth Taylor......