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Tom Bott said:
So a team above the bottom three, should automatically beat a team in the bottom three?

Just checking, because if we fail to beat Charlton some will be saying so.

We should be, because of where they are due to the 'concept of strength of schedule' (copyright DKC), If we win - Wilder has drawn another lucky card ?

A few weeks ago Swansea, in second place at the time, lost 5-0 to QPR, (Far lower in the table) so QPR were on the ascendency?

The following week QPR lost 4-1 to Southampton.

Where was the 'concept of strength of schedule' then?

Yet no one has made this claim.

Personally I'm looking forward to the challenge of meeting teams above us, that's the whole point of supporting a club.

Win, loose or draw.
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You have a tendency to reduce an argument to the smallest sample sizes, at least based on your posts on this thread.

Average position of the 7 teams since the last break and including the next 2 is 18th. Average of the next 7 is 9th. The point being continuously made is that united are particularly strong against the worse teams, particularly weak against the better teams. The run up to Boxing Day is an opportunity to change that.

But 16 points from the last 30 matches against top half teams says it's unlikely.
 
Whilst on the subject of 'concepts' in football one of the most often quoted is that of the new manager 'bounce', one which many on this thread seem to place hope in.

Watford have had 13 managers in the last ten years.

Currently 11 places below us.

Middlesbrough have had had 12 different managers. - currently top.

Apologies for the small sample size.

Preston and Burnley also seem to be struggling for the 'bounce' as have Wendy with 14 managers.

Maybe like the the above named clubs we should aim to celebrate the number of new managers we have appointed rather than the Pecktacular hat trick from last night.
 
Tom Bott said:
Whilst on the subject of 'concepts' in football one of the most often quoted is that of the new manager 'bounce', one which many on this thread seem to place hope in.

Watford have had 13 managers in the last ten years.

Currently 11 places below us.

Middlesbrough have had had 12 different managers. - currently top.

Apologies for the small sample size.

Preston and Burnley also seem to be struggling for the 'bounce' as have Wendy with 14 managers.

Maybe like the the above named clubs we should aim to celebrate the number of new managers we have appointed rather than the Pecktacular hat trick from last night.
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This feels like a strawman. Nobody sane is suggesting changing managers guarantees success. The 'new manager bounce' is a short-term phenomenon, not a claim that managerial turnover inevitably improves a team's fortunes.

Comparing managerial churn and current league positions tells us very little about whether a bounce exists. It's a different argument entirely.
 
Sados on here waiting for our next loss 🤣 🤣 🤣

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Carlton Blade said:
This feels like a strawman. Nobody sane is suggesting changing managers guarantees success. The 'new manager bounce' is a short-term phenomenon, not a claim that managerial turnover inevitably improves a team's fortunes.

Comparing managerial churn and current league positions tells us very little about whether a bounce exists. It's a different argument entirely.
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The last time we got rid of wilder and replaced him we didnt exactly get a bounce 🤣🤣
 
westmidsblade said:
The last time we got rid of wilder and replaced him we didnt exactly get a bounce 🤣🤣
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Maybe Bounce is Spanish for useless?

Replacing Wilder was always a gamble but it wasn't automatically doomed to failure. A good hire and competent transfer dealings and last season looks a lot different.

What United need is to commit to something that has a plan involved that looks longer han just getting to the next transfer window. We can all argue what that should look like but I think we can all agree, stumbling from summer to summer, resetting every year is going to end badly.
 
Carlton Blade said:
Maybe Bounce is Spanish for useless?

Replacing Wilder was always a gamble but it wasn't automatically doomed to failure. A good hire and competent transfer dealings and last season looks a lot different.

What United need is to commit to something that has a plan involved that looks longer han just getting to the next transfer window. We can all argue what that should look like but I think we can all agree, stumbling from summer to summer, resetting every year is going to end badly.
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I see crap Wrexham have just gone 2 up against the league leaders with 5 mins to go...there are no easy games in this league and whoever you play wherever they are in the table will make life difficult. Its time we stopped all this wilder out crap and got back behind him and the team...changing the manager now could be suicide just like it was before...wilder clearly knows what he's doing and is getting things sorted out.
 
westmidsblade said:
I see crap Wrexham have just gone 2 up against the league leaders with 5 mins to go...there are no easy games in this league and whoever you play wherever they are in the table will make life difficult. Its time we stopped all this wilder out crap and got back behind him and the team...changing the manager now could be suicide just like it was before...wilder clearly knows what he's doing and is getting things sorted out.
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It's not clear to me mate, or some of the players seemingly, more often than not.

It's natural I'd argue, for some football fans to want to witness enjoyable games.

I'm not in the "a win's a win brigade and look forward to watching talent being developed and encouraged,over an excess of experience that's past their sell by.

I wouldn't be surprised if the players are as confused as some of us fans.

They don't look like they're enjoying themselves often enough,so moments like last night for Peck and the effect on his team-mates was a joy.

And a perfect opportunity to go for the jugular.

We didn't and that's the difference between us, who have moments, but aren't consistent enough, and don't look capable of reaching the autos.

Not that I want to be in the Prem next season watching us get pumped.

We need a whole new philosophy top to bottom to make that a worthwhile venture for me personally.

So I disagree that wanting a new manager is unreasonable thinking for fans that are fed up of being gaslit by a bloke who summed us up last night as "Outstanding"

It doesn't help when you have Jimmy the apologist trying to justify the "Outstanding" comment despite disagreeing with him.

So those fans who can't think for themselves, follow the general consensus, incapable of making a reasoned argument, and critisise counter arguments with little debate.Not always, but often enough.

It's not disloyal to want to see a club you've watched for 60 years start being a proper club built on solid principles and not managed by some archaic pisspot overreaching for past glories that are consigned to history.

If he had any loyalty himself he would recognise his ineptitude and step away before ruining his legendary status.

It's a bit too convenient we have fuckwits at the helm, reliant on too little experience and savvy ,to know when they're being played.

Getting a "Pint out of a half pint Pot" can only take you so far.

We wasted the opportunity last time around.

What do you see now that tells you it would be different if by some miracle we got into the Prem🤔👍
 
Chezzy Blades said:
I wish I could like this more than once. Our whole structure needs modernising, it’s 15 years out of date. If there’s a place for Wilder in that and one he is happy to work in then great, but the club can’t sit on it’s hands another 5 years if Wilder wants to retain full control of everything.

Let Wilder coach, pick the best side and plan the tactics to out think his opposite number. But let someone else focus on stopping us sleepwalking down the same road we did between 2007-2011 of loading up the squad with highly paid players with little to no resale value and no longer term squad planning.
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Too late for that as that is exactly what Wilder has done over last summer.
 
Tom Bott said:
Whilst on the subject of 'concepts' in football one of the most often quoted is that of the new manager 'bounce', one which many on this thread seem to place hope in.

Watford have had 13 managers in the last ten years.

Currently 11 places below us.

Middlesbrough have had had 12 different managers. - currently top.

Apologies for the small sample size.

Preston and Burnley also seem to be struggling for the 'bounce' as have Wendy with 14 managers.

Maybe like the the above named clubs we should aim to celebrate the number of new managers we have appointed rather than the Pecktacular hat trick from last night.
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So no club should ever replace its manager? An interesting concept. I’m sure Ipswich are kicking themselves for replacing Paul Cook with McKenna, similarly Sunderland for appointing Le Bris.
 
wavy-blade said:
Sados on here waiting for our next loss 🤣 🤣 🤣

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Are you sure that’s not just the fan base watching the ball go from Tanganga to Choudhury and back again?

Take the win but long term it’s still stagnation we’re looking at. This isn’t last season where success is survival after a poor start. We’ve had a favourable run of fixtures to get some points in, and again looked shaky enough to concede 2 against Preston.

Were we all over them and unlucky? No, but we ground out a win against another poor side and still have periods looking devoid of a game plan.
 
Tom Bott said:
Hence the thread?

UTB.
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I think the foundation of the disagreements is, changing manager doesn't guarantee success or failure.

But if we keep messing around, only looking short term then failure is coming. The club needs to pick away of working, invest time and resources in optimistic, and stick to it.
 



Tom Bott said:
How are the dreams of Sunderland and Nottingham Forest going.
Both have considerably wealthier owners than us and threw £150 million into the transfer pot on promotion.
If they both end up relegated I wonder their finances might look like with it's attendant reflection on playing performances.
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I bet their fans are wishing they didn’t spend the money and are really annoyed about getting to see their teams in Europe.

Most football clubs are financial basket cases, using 2 that have benefited from this in recent years doesn’t really strengthen your argument.
 
Sir Nick Montgomery said:
Because the Wilder sycophants see every win as a moral victory for him rather than 3 points for the team. They see it as an opportunity to try and score cheap points in their quest to control the narrative around a manager who’s had his day. They are incapable of climbing out of his backside and seeing things objectively. They are Chris Wilder supporters more than they are Sheffield United supporters. We are a prehistoric, backwards thinking club from top to bottom in our approach to everything and nobody drives that more then Wilder
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Am catching up the posts I havent read as I was busy during the weekend.

I know you posted this 5 days ago and it isnt too late for me to tell you that you are talking BOLLOCKS!
 
He’s put a shit team together and doesn’t know how to get them to play, don’t think he even had a plan how he wanted to play, think he just hoped ‘experience’ would grind out results. Honestly don’t know how people can defend him so strongly at this point. The game really has passed him by.
 
Big.Dane.w said:
He’s put a shit team together and doesn’t know how to get them to play, don’t think he even had a plan how he wanted to play, think he just hoped ‘experience’ would grind out results. Honestly don’t know how people can defend him so strongly at this point. The game really has passed him by.
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Keep until 2nd Jan, hopefully we can grind out/snatch 2-3 more wins by then and get rid.
 



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