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It’s weird cause the fan sentiment wasn’t this bad even during the 23/24 prem season.

Everyone seems completely demotivated the current set, with the only variable being how confident they are voicing their discontent in fear of one of the wilder shaggers having a go.
From around 2015/16, which I think is when I started going, through to 2020/21, he pretty much had us all fully devoted. He was our man. There was a real connection between him, the club and the supporters, and after so many good seasons, he’d earned the right to have a bad one. I think most of us would have accepted that and backed him to put things right.

But the way he left changed things. To me, he acted like a kid who wasn’t getting his own way and stormed out. However people want to dress it up, he left through the back door, something he’d always said he would never do. You can appreciate everything he achieved here and still feel let down by that.

When he came back in 2023, that trust didn’t automatically come back with him. Like most on here, I was at the Liverpool game, and I remember how strange the atmosphere felt. There was still affection for him, but it wasn’t the wholehearted backing I remembered. His return couldn’t simply pick up where things had left off.

Then came the season we lost in the play-offs. On paper, it was a good season, and I don’t think anyone needs to pretend otherwise to make their point. But towards the end, he seemed increasingly unable to keep his emotions in check. The incident at Plymouth and the repeated references to the 90 points felt like signs of someone becoming more defensive and frustrated.

Despite the results, it never felt as though everyone was fully behind what we were watching. My impression was that we generally beat the sides we should have beaten, but too often came up short in the tighter, more evenly matched games. There was always that doubt about how we’d cope when it really mattered.

Looking back, I’d probably say his sacking was unfair. At the time, though, my honest reaction was relief. That wasn’t because I’d forgotten what he’d done for the club. I just felt we had an opportunity to move forward: develop a different style of football, freshen up the recruitment and move away from the familiar cycle of players and approaches we knew he would return to.

For me, this fourth stint simply hasn’t worked. He deserves credit for keeping us up, but I also think a reasonably competent manager should have been capable of doing that with the squad available. Looking back at last season’s squad on paper, there was enough quality there to expect more than we got. He had the team for most of the season, yet we never found any real consistency.

You can accept that the problems at the club go beyond the manager while still expecting him to get more out of the players. His history here should count for something, but it can’t keep being the answer to concerns about the football we’re watching now.

This season feels like the end of the road to me, and this time I don’t see a future return making sense. We’ve gone back to that relationship repeatedly, hoping to recapture what made it special the first time, but each return seems to carry more baggage and less belief.

My worry is that the owners won’t have the conviction to make a decision because of how badly they handled the Selles situation. That experience seems to have left us stuck: unsure about the manager we have, but lacking confidence in the people who would choose his replacement.

I’ll always appreciate what he gave us. For a long time, he was someone we believed in completely. But gratitude for those years and confidence in his ability to take us forward are two different things. For me, that confidence has gone.
 



From around 2015/16, which I think is when I started going, through to 2020/21, he pretty much had us all fully devoted. He was our man. There was a real connection between him, the club and the supporters, and after so many good seasons, he’d earned the right to have a bad one. I think most of us would have accepted that and backed him to put things right.

But the way he left changed things. To me, he acted like a kid who wasn’t getting his own way and stormed out. However people want to dress it up, he left through the back door, something he’d always said he would never do. You can appreciate everything he achieved here and still feel let down by that.

When he came back in 2023, that trust didn’t automatically come back with him. Like most on here, I was at the Liverpool game, and I remember how strange the atmosphere felt. There was still affection for him, but it wasn’t the wholehearted backing I remembered. His return couldn’t simply pick up where things had left off.

Then came the season we lost in the play-offs. On paper, it was a good season, and I don’t think anyone needs to pretend otherwise to make their point. But towards the end, he seemed increasingly unable to keep his emotions in check. The incident at Plymouth and the repeated references to the 90 points felt like signs of someone becoming more defensive and frustrated.

Despite the results, it never felt as though everyone was fully behind what we were watching. My impression was that we generally beat the sides we should have beaten, but too often came up short in the tighter, more evenly matched games. There was always that doubt about how we’d cope when it really mattered.

Looking back, I’d probably say his sacking was unfair. At the time, though, my honest reaction was relief. That wasn’t because I’d forgotten what he’d done for the club. I just felt we had an opportunity to move forward: develop a different style of football, freshen up the recruitment and move away from the familiar cycle of players and approaches we knew he would return to.

For me, this fourth stint simply hasn’t worked. He deserves credit for keeping us up, but I also think a reasonably competent manager should have been capable of doing that with the squad available. Looking back at last season’s squad on paper, there was enough quality there to expect more than we got. He had the team for most of the season, yet we never found any real consistency.

You can accept that the problems at the club go beyond the manager while still expecting him to get more out of the players. His history here should count for something, but it can’t keep being the answer to concerns about the football we’re watching now.

This season feels like the end of the road to me, and this time I don’t see a future return making sense. We’ve gone back to that relationship repeatedly, hoping to recapture what made it special the first time, but each return seems to carry more baggage and less belief.

My worry is that the owners won’t have the conviction to make a decision because of how badly they handled the Selles situation. That experience seems to have left us stuck: unsure about the manager we have, but lacking confidence in the people who would choose his replacement.

I’ll always appreciate what he gave us. For a long time, he was someone we believed in completely. But gratitude for those years and confidence in his ability to take us forward are two different things. For me, that confidence has gone.
That should’ve said 2016/17, when I think Wilder arrived - not when I started going. Unfortunately, I’ve been a Blade since the ’90s (I'm sure there's a lot on here that have suffered for longer than me)🤣
 
From around 2015/16, which I think is when I started going, through to 2020/21, he pretty much had us all fully devoted. He was our man. There was a real connection between him, the club and the supporters, and after so many good seasons, he’d earned the right to have a bad one. I think most of us would have accepted that and backed him to put things right.

But the way he left changed things. To me, he acted like a kid who wasn’t getting his own way and stormed out. However people want to dress it up, he left through the back door, something he’d always said he would never do. You can appreciate everything he achieved here and still feel let down by that.

When he came back in 2023, that trust didn’t automatically come back with him. Like most on here, I was at the Liverpool game, and I remember how strange the atmosphere felt. There was still affection for him, but it wasn’t the wholehearted backing I remembered. His return couldn’t simply pick up where things had left off.

Then came the season we lost in the play-offs. On paper, it was a good season, and I don’t think anyone needs to pretend otherwise to make their point. But towards the end, he seemed increasingly unable to keep his emotions in check. The incident at Plymouth and the repeated references to the 90 points felt like signs of someone becoming more defensive and frustrated.

Despite the results, it never felt as though everyone was fully behind what we were watching. My impression was that we generally beat the sides we should have beaten, but too often came up short in the tighter, more evenly matched games. There was always that doubt about how we’d cope when it really mattered.

Looking back, I’d probably say his sacking was unfair. At the time, though, my honest reaction was relief. That wasn’t because I’d forgotten what he’d done for the club. I just felt we had an opportunity to move forward: develop a different style of football, freshen up the recruitment and move away from the familiar cycle of players and approaches we knew he would return to.

For me, this fourth stint simply hasn’t worked. He deserves credit for keeping us up, but I also think a reasonably competent manager should have been capable of doing that with the squad available. Looking back at last season’s squad on paper, there was enough quality there to expect more than we got. He had the team for most of the season, yet we never found any real consistency.

You can accept that the problems at the club go beyond the manager while still expecting him to get more out of the players. His history here should count for something, but it can’t keep being the answer to concerns about the football we’re watching now.

This season feels like the end of the road to me, and this time I don’t see a future return making sense. We’ve gone back to that relationship repeatedly, hoping to recapture what made it special the first time, but each return seems to carry more baggage and less belief.

My worry is that the owners won’t have the conviction to make a decision because of how badly they handled the Selles situation. That experience seems to have left us stuck: unsure about the manager we have, but lacking confidence in the people who would choose his replacement.

I’ll always appreciate what he gave us. For a long time, he was someone we believed in completely. But gratitude for those years and confidence in his ability to take us forward are two different things. For me, that confidence has gone.
I couldn't put it better myself.
Thanks for the 16-20 memories.
But don't forget you made a bollox of 20/21 , which lead to your bizarre walkout , whilst I remained.
And that forfeited my loyalty to you (not to the club).
Ever since , you've been 'just another manager' despite badge-thumping.
You've now spent all your credit and I'm sick of seeing your recruitment mistakes , your selection & set-up mistakes & your stubborn defence of yourself , which at times calls me a Playstation Manager.
I've watched football since my Dad took me to the Atlas & Norfolk pitches (now our training ground) in the late 1960s.
I can differentiate between the great stuff of 16-20 and the current shite.
So , Mr Arrogant Wilder , you can feck off for me , and take your accusations against loyal fans with you.
 
Obviously can't say I know what will happen. But Wrexham are not in sparkling form. Last season at the lane they were pushing for top 6. That's not currently happening for them yet. Pressure is slightly on Parkinson.

Its been said to death but all being well we start Donovan and Peck. (Arblaster did do Ok Vs Bristol city) I'd start Seriki of course too if he's able to do the minutes.
Do this and we should be looking at taking the game to Wrexham.

Cooper, Choudhury/Seriki, Tanganga, Kitching, McCallum, Chong, Peck, Phillips, Donovan, Bamford (If fit), Cannon/BBD
It’s funny at the start of last season I think we were one of the favourites to go up you can never second guess based on the previous season as you never know what blunders the board is going to do or even the change in playing staff.
 
I do think that Chris Wilder seems to have gone a bit stale and at the minute doesn’t seem to quite know his best team or formation but some of the stuff on this thread is astounding.

What were people expecting this season. We’ve had to make cuts due to not receiving parachute money, we’ve got players on the wage bill are on big bucks who we can’t get off, and there is trouble at boardroom level too.

At the start of the season I fully expected a bottom half finish with the squad we have been left it and factoring in the player sales too. We are pretty much where we I thought we would be in line with having reasonable and rational expectations this season.

Wilder enjoyed great success between early on despite us having one of the lowest wage budgets between 17-19 in the Championship and the lowest in the Premier League 19-20. He did it against a backdrop of boardroom disputes as well and chairman who didn’t want to put money in to the club. It’s probably a bit ridiculous to expect him to keep on vastly overperforming against a reduced wage budget.

For those who are calling for his head, it’s not really realistic to keep on throwing these names out. Anyone who is up and coming or has got a decent reputation will do their due diligence and see what is happening with the budget and boardroom level and give us a swerve which will leave us a choice of those who had been failures elsewhere or are complete unknowns looking for a big chance somewhere, both of whom represent a massive gamble and could turn out very badly. At least with Wilder we know it’ll be unlikely we are anywhere near relegation this season. Make the chance and the risk increases massively.

Oh, and for those who are staying away under protest that we aren’t winning enough games or the football or manager isn’t to their liking. Don’t let anyone stop you. I had 6 years of traipsing round League One and I didn’t like some of the managers, some of the players and got sick of Colchester, Fleetwood and Rochdale but I kept on going. It’s called supporting the club, and if you are staying away, don’t come crawling back to when we eventually start getting good again either
 
From around 2015/16, which I think is when I started going, through to 2020/21, he pretty much had us all fully devoted. He was our man. There was a real connection between him, the club and the supporters, and after so many good seasons, he’d earned the right to have a bad one. I think most of us would have accepted that and backed him to put things right.

But the way he left changed things. To me, he acted like a kid who wasn’t getting his own way and stormed out. However people want to dress it up, he left through the back door, something he’d always said he would never do. You can appreciate everything he achieved here and still feel let down by that.

When he came back in 2023, that trust didn’t automatically come back with him. Like most on here, I was at the Liverpool game, and I remember how strange the atmosphere felt. There was still affection for him, but it wasn’t the wholehearted backing I remembered. His return couldn’t simply pick up where things had left off.

Then came the season we lost in the play-offs. On paper, it was a good season, and I don’t think anyone needs to pretend otherwise to make their point. But towards the end, he seemed increasingly unable to keep his emotions in check. The incident at Plymouth and the repeated references to the 90 points felt like signs of someone becoming more defensive and frustrated.

Despite the results, it never felt as though everyone was fully behind what we were watching. My impression was that we generally beat the sides we should have beaten, but too often came up short in the tighter, more evenly matched games. There was always that doubt about how we’d cope when it really mattered.

Looking back, I’d probably say his sacking was unfair. At the time, though, my honest reaction was relief. That wasn’t because I’d forgotten what he’d done for the club. I just felt we had an opportunity to move forward: develop a different style of football, freshen up the recruitment and move away from the familiar cycle of players and approaches we knew he would return to.

For me, this fourth stint simply hasn’t worked. He deserves credit for keeping us up, but I also think a reasonably competent manager should have been capable of doing that with the squad available. Looking back at last season’s squad on paper, there was enough quality there to expect more than we got. He had the team for most of the season, yet we never found any real consistency.

You can accept that the problems at the club go beyond the manager while still expecting him to get more out of the players. His history here should count for something, but it can’t keep being the answer to concerns about the football we’re watching now.

This season feels like the end of the road to me, and this time I don’t see a future return making sense. We’ve gone back to that relationship repeatedly, hoping to recapture what made it special the first time, but each return seems to carry more baggage and less belief.

My worry is that the owners won’t have the conviction to make a decision because of how badly they handled the Selles situation. That experience seems to have left us stuck: unsure about the manager we have, but lacking confidence in the people who would choose his replacement.

I’ll always appreciate what he gave us. For a long time, he was someone we believed in completely. But gratitude for those years and confidence in his ability to take us forward are two different things. For me, that confidence has gone.
Pretty much how a substantial proportion of our fans from the 60’s and 70’s feel in my experience. Having seen what in effect was the Messiah dragging us back up from the pub league following our demise and all the bad luck bad calls, corruption of the past being wiped out by incredible football and bravery of formation and selection, you sort of expect he’s going to continue in the same vein.

Where did it all go Chris? Did the Prem losses make you too cautious? Did it all go to your head so you believe you can do no wrong? I want you to get it back but I’m not seeing past the small minded arrogance and stubbornness.
 
i just feel wilder blames the players far too much and doesnt take enough of the blame for our poor performances and feel hes lost the dressing room because of this i dont see this group of players busting a gut for the manager i accept that wilder will keep us up this season but imo we need a change of direction for next season and for me that means bringing a younger manager in the board got it badly wrong with selles but that doesnt mean we shouldn try again i just cant see us going anywhere with wilder in charge utb ftp ⚔️⚔️⚔️
 
From around 2015/16, which I think is when I started going, through to 2020/21, he pretty much had us all fully devoted. He was our man. There was a real connection between him, the club and the supporters, and after so many good seasons, he’d earned the right to have a bad one. I think most of us would have accepted that and backed him to put things right.

But the way he left changed things. To me, he acted like a kid who wasn’t getting his own way and stormed out. However people want to dress it up, he left through the back door, something he’d always said he would never do. You can appreciate everything he achieved here and still feel let down by that.

When he came back in 2023, that trust didn’t automatically come back with him. Like most on here, I was at the Liverpool game, and I remember how strange the atmosphere felt. There was still affection for him, but it wasn’t the wholehearted backing I remembered. His return couldn’t simply pick up where things had left off.

Then came the season we lost in the play-offs. On paper, it was a good season, and I don’t think anyone needs to pretend otherwise to make their point. But towards the end, he seemed increasingly unable to keep his emotions in check. The incident at Plymouth and the repeated references to the 90 points felt like signs of someone becoming more defensive and frustrated.

Despite the results, it never felt as though everyone was fully behind what we were watching. My impression was that we generally beat the sides we should have beaten, but too often came up short in the tighter, more evenly matched games. There was always that doubt about how we’d cope when it really mattered.

Looking back, I’d probably say his sacking was unfair. At the time, though, my honest reaction was relief. That wasn’t because I’d forgotten what he’d done for the club. I just felt we had an opportunity to move forward: develop a different style of football, freshen up the recruitment and move away from the familiar cycle of players and approaches we knew he would return to.

For me, this fourth stint simply hasn’t worked. He deserves credit for keeping us up, but I also think a reasonably competent manager should have been capable of doing that with the squad available. Looking back at last season’s squad on paper, there was enough quality there to expect more than we got. He had the team for most of the season, yet we never found any real consistency.

You can accept that the problems at the club go beyond the manager while still expecting him to get more out of the players. His history here should count for something, but it can’t keep being the answer to concerns about the football we’re watching now.

This season feels like the end of the road to me, and this time I don’t see a future return making sense. We’ve gone back to that relationship repeatedly, hoping to recapture what made it special the first time, but each return seems to carry more baggage and less belief.

My worry is that the owners won’t have the conviction to make a decision because of how badly they handled the Selles situation. That experience seems to have left us stuck: unsure about the manager we have, but lacking confidence in the people who would choose his replacement.

I’ll always appreciate what he gave us. For a long time, he was someone we believed in completely. But gratitude for those years and confidence in his ability to take us forward are two different things. For me, that confidence has gone.
Brilliant post pal.
 
Latest Danny Hall - Wilder piece. Honestly, this might be the best set of Wilder quotes I've seen in years. It's bordering on performance art.

"I'm only going to concentrate on what I can control."

Excellent. Sensible.

Anyway, here's another 900 words about the supporters.

"There are different types of supporters." "There are people who sit in pubs and talk about football." Apparently someone once walked up to him in a pub and said "the guys behind me know more than you", an incident I'm absolutely certain happened and wasn't invented five minutes before the interview.

There's "punters" getting another couple of outings too. Always nice when a football manager talks about the people paying to watch his team like he's running a struggling working men's club.

Brighton also somehow get involved because presumably every Wilder interview now requires at least one completely unrelated football club to be cited as evidence that Chris Wilder is correct.

Then comes my personal favourite:

"Getting the team out there to play like we did in the second half against Derby." Chris, they had ten fucking men. Can we request that going forward? Seems an important part of the tactical plan.

And of course Wembley gets another airing. "I suppose we didn't get that result at Wembley." The beauty of the Wilder Extended Universe is that no event is ever truly over. Wembley exists simultaneously as a magnificent performance we should all be proud of and a result we didn't get, depending entirely on what argument he's having that particular week.

Then Donovan. He's absolutely not reacting to the clamour from supporters to start him. He's so completely unaffected by the clamour that he's specifically mentioned the clamour in an interview explaining how little effect the clamour is having on him.

Honestly, if Wilder possessed slightly more of a sense of humour I'd be convinced he's doing a parody of himself now.
 
Latest Danny Hall - Wilder piece. Honestly, this might be the best set of Wilder quotes I've seen in years. It's bordering on performance art.

"I'm only going to concentrate on what I can control."

Excellent. Sensible.

Anyway, here's another 900 words about the supporters.

"There are different types of supporters." "There are people who sit in pubs and talk about football." Apparently someone once walked up to him in a pub and said "the guys behind me know more than you", an incident I'm absolutely certain happened and wasn't invented five minutes before the interview.

There's "punters" getting another couple of outings too. Always nice when a football manager talks about the people paying to watch his team like he's running a struggling working men's club.

Brighton also somehow get involved because presumably every Wilder interview now requires at least one completely unrelated football club to be cited as evidence that Chris Wilder is correct.

Then comes my personal favourite:

"Getting the team out there to play like we did in the second half against Derby." Chris, they had ten fucking men. Can we request that going forward? Seems an important part of the tactical plan.

And of course Wembley gets another airing. "I suppose we didn't get that result at Wembley." The beauty of the Wilder Extended Universe is that no event is ever truly over. Wembley exists simultaneously as a magnificent performance we should all be proud of and a result we didn't get, depending entirely on what argument he's having that particular week.

Then Donovan. He's absolutely not reacting to the clamour from supporters to start him. He's so completely unaffected by the clamour that he's specifically mentioned the clamour in an interview explaining how little effect the clamour is having on him.

Honestly, if Wilder possessed slightly more of a sense of humour I'd be convinced he's doing a parody of himself now.
I particularly enjoyed the bit after talking about not bowing to fan pressure about starting Donovan, that he then says we did much better second half... when Donovan was on (AND Derby were down to 10 men of course).
 
I particularly enjoyed the bit after talking about not bowing to fan pressure about starting Donovan, that he then says we did much better second half... when Donovan was on (AND Derby were down to 10 men of course).
The whole thing is absolute gold. Unintentional comedy of elite quality. Really just top tier work
 
Latest Danny Hall - Wilder piece. Honestly, this might be the best set of Wilder quotes I've seen in years. It's bordering on performance art.

"I'm only going to concentrate on what I can control."

Excellent. Sensible.

Anyway, here's another 900 words about the supporters.

"There are different types of supporters." "There are people who sit in pubs and talk about football." Apparently someone once walked up to him in a pub and said "the guys behind me know more than you", an incident I'm absolutely certain happened and wasn't invented five minutes before the interview.

There's "punters" getting another couple of outings too. Always nice when a football manager talks about the people paying to watch his team like he's running a struggling working men's club.

Brighton also somehow get involved because presumably every Wilder interview now requires at least one completely unrelated football club to be cited as evidence that Chris Wilder is correct.

Then comes my personal favourite:

"Getting the team out there to play like we did in the second half against Derby." Chris, they had ten fucking men. Can we request that going forward? Seems an important part of the tactical plan.

And of course Wembley gets another airing. "I suppose we didn't get that result at Wembley." The beauty of the Wilder Extended Universe is that no event is ever truly over. Wembley exists simultaneously as a magnificent performance we should all be proud of and a result we didn't get, depending entirely on what argument he's having that particular week.

Then Donovan. He's absolutely not reacting to the clamour from supporters to start him. He's so completely unaffected by the clamour that he's specifically mentioned the clamour in an interview explaining how little effect the clamour is having on him.

Honestly, if Wilder possessed slightly more of a sense of humour I'd be convinced he's doing a parody of himself now.


You can imagine the pair of them with a big box of Kleenex, wiping each others tears over those nasty know all punters.

However though, Instead of local hacks egging him on to vent his spleen they’d be better off sticking with football questions, because whilst he’s only human and constant criticism - getting increasingly more personal - takes it toll he’s not doing himself any favours seemingly spending more time on petty digs than sorting out his players.
 
You can imagine the pair of them with a big box of Kleenex, wiping each others tears over those nasty know all punters.

However though, Instead of local hacks egging him on to vent his spleen they’d be better off sticking with football questions, because whilst he’s only human and constant criticism - getting increasingly more personal - takes it toll he’s not doing himself any favours seemingly spending more time on petty digs than sorting out his players.
Just ignore the supporters. The universal acclaim is never coming back. Shove it in people's faces with results
 



i think all the empty seats theres likely to be again friday night should tell the owners that a change is needed our fanbase is at its lowest ebb since our penultimate season in league 1
They have contributed considerably to all the empty seats.
 
That first half was much more like it.

If we played like that even a handful of times so far this season and last then there wouldn’t be much noise about getting rid. Frustratingly its the first time.

Having said that i am happy to see we can play like that under Wilder and there are some embers in there still. More of that and i will be a happy fan.
 
This should be an owners out mega thread … although im not a wilder fan … they need go first

Possible 12 point deduction still there and sales of best players in Jan… getting as many points now is vital
 
At the moment I think it's baby steps, if we can get to Jan where were are now, hopefully everything will click and kick in.
 
🎵 and it’s all gone quiet over there! 🎵
Not really Wilder would have committed suicide if he’d left Donovan out
He had a forced hand elsewhere
I enjoyed a decent performance but the performance hinged around 2 players Donovan and Phillips
Be interesting at Preston as both likely to he missing due to knocks
 
Seen widers wife on pitch at end last night and earlier in season...is she on the staff there now...seems a bit unusual thats all.
 
🎵 and it’s all gone quiet over there! 🎵
I’ll give criticism when it’s warranted and praise when it’s warranted, 1 good first half performance and a reasonable 2nd half doesn’t turn us into prime Madrid. The empty seats and library atmosphere is giving you a clue to what supporters are thinking.
 
It was much better last night and Wilder showed a more pragmatic approach and we were generally far more positive. I'll keep my powder dry though as it feels like we've been here before... decent win/performance but then followed up with a stinker. I think it'll just be one of those seasons though
 



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