"Culture"

[Sir Nick Montgomery]

Typical Wilder really. Not willing to try anything new. Just stick to the same old same old and if it doesn’t work blame everything else but himself.
He’ll never have success again. At any club

 

[Davalon]

Not pathetic but understandable yet not helpful. It is a feeling that pervades most areas of our lives.
That is why change must come slowly and steadily so that the uncomfortable feeling for both fans and players is superseded by excitement and expectation.

It's a tad pathetic imho if not yours

 

[Davalon]

Typical Wilder really. Not willing to try anything new. Just stick to the same old same old and if it doesn’t work blame everything else but himself.
He’ll never have success again. At any club

Sadly I feel you may be right

 

[FriethBlade]

What is the culture of this club? Any ideas?

Because if it's the Out Run, Out Fight, Out Play crap we had on our shirts then it would be nice to see our players simply run, fight and play now and again.

The culture of this club appears to be consistently 'underperforming' what might be expected of a club in the 5th biggest city in the country with a healthy support. Who is responsible for that is difficult to say as it seems to be endemic but when we view a couple of short periods in the top flight as a success it shows what the expectations are.

However to pretty much rule out signing foreigners when they make up a big percentage of the best players in football seems incredibly short sighted. Also can you imagine that in any other industry or workplace....CEO...Im not employing foreigners unless they get the culture...

 

[The Fox]

What is the DNA of SUFC? Serious question.

We all love seeing a fellow Blade or homegrown player doing well and 2016-2020 with chairman, manager, and captain all being Blades was fantastic.

However, I often hear things like 'giving your all' 'getting stuck in' 'no fannying about' is what United is about. All the best teams have players who give 100%, are committed, aggressive, show passion, have huge drive and will to win etc. It's not something special to Sheffield United.

When I see this culture and DNA stuff it usually goes as far as having people in who 'get the club', know us, or are local, with extra points for either being a Blade or having represented us before.

To me the reality is that part of the problem is a notable proportion of the fanbase who are too focused on the baseless points above or have a natural distrust of people who they don't perceive or believe to be in that bracket.

The ceiling of this attitude is very low as we've seen over most of our lifetimes. If the club is to move forward with a more modern vision, then more of our fans need to embrace it too.

I absolutely guarantee that if Wilder left today and you did a poll of who fans wanted as next manager out of a young manager from Germany who has done well over there, someone like a Philippe Clement, Swansea's manager, even Scott Parker, or Billy Sharp. The amount that would want the latter would be ridiculous.

We feel safe with people like us who we know. Bit pathetic really in this day and age.

Having a culture , a set of values,standards etc that exist through any organisation is one thing , its not static but changing it can be challenging .

Spurs are a good example of where a culture has persisted through different managers and players , even the current one. Hence the word spursy , a bit a soft touch and fragile.
Whoever our playing or management staff we wouldnt associate or tolerate with that attitude

The bladyness thing is weird but exists at other clubs , staff and managers often returning because they " know the club" . We're not alone in that , i dont subscribe to it but it exists .

Having the right culture matters to any organisation, its overplayed by wilder , over reacted to by many likewise.

 

[JohnDenver]

What ideas? He hasn't had a fresh one since the overlapping centre backs were found out

Wilder was always keen on British and Irish players. There was less noise about it 9 years ago when results were good, and the same would apply now if we weren’t crap.

It’s a policy that sounds old fashioned and parochial, and the only thing that’ll make his argument for him now is victories. It’s the one thing that never goes out of fashion…

 

[SheepdipBlade]

I don't know what the club culture is or what Wilder was on about.
I do know that in my lifetime we've only had success with Dave Bassett, Neil Warnock and Chris Wilder - all managers cut from the same cloth.
And I know that Selles, Jokanovic etc - players from a different cloth got us nowhere.

If we're going to change, who might be successful with us? Sean Dyche, Fat Sam?

 

[Old Programme seller]

Perhaps the change of culture has to come from within the club not a change of manager, if we’re to get players coming through our system from abroad and were deemed tone good enough then any manager worth their salt would play them, may be that’s what United world were trying to do.

 

[Davalon]

Having a culture , a set of values,standards etc that exist through any organisation is one thing , its not static but changing it can be challenging .

Spurs are a good example of where a culture has persisted through different managers and players , even the current one. Hence the word spursy , a bit a soft touch and fragile.
Whoever our playing or management staff we wouldnt associate or tolerate with that attitude

The bladyness thing is weird but exists at other clubs , staff and managers often returning because they " know the club" . We're not alone in that , i dont subscribe to it but it exists .

Having the right culture matters to any organisation, its overplayed by wilder , over reacted to by many likewise.

I certainly agree with all that.

Every team, company, organisation needs a set of rules and attitudes that you expect members and employees to adhere to.

I've just never heard a specific breakdown of what our culture specifically is from an employee or fan. It's always just implied stuff from people like Wilder that make it easy to assume based on how he operates and how certain types of player either fit or don't.

 

[BocciaBlade]

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Surely he's just saying it to take the piss at this point

I’ve read various opinions regarding our owners our culture our style of play etc and yes there will always be questions asked when results aren’t going our way but the one thing that I keep coming back to when I look at how people perceive our club is our manager.I don’t think the owners got it wrong when they sacked CW they got his replacement wrong and listened to the wrong people.Wether CW keeps us in this division or not we need to finally say thanks and go in a completely different direction because his idea of a team full of aging culture carriers is going to either keep us stagnant or worse relegate us.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

One way to modernise culture, is to say ethos instead. No he wasn't one of the Musketeers.

 

[SUFCinks]

Honestly, I reckon we should be playing something like Hull's style in the Prem- good football, exciting, and it's literally what we're historically capable of. That's what I expect from Wilder tbh, especially since it's not far off what he did in his first spell here. It's effective, it suits our resources, and it'd actually be fun to watch. Not saying I'm married to that exact style either, happy for something different if it's got an identity and more attacking focussed.

But right now? There's just no identity at all. Sideways passes across the back four, hoof it long, treat the ball like it's a bomb. And the way we constantly play like every team's Real Madrid, always cast ourselves as the underdog is pathetic, genuinely. All compound by one of the worst ‘rebuilds’ i’ve ever seen setting this anti-football style in stone and making it very hard to undo. Its passionless, boring guff. But as long as wilder has some good lads for the Peroni’s then i supposed he’s happy.

I'm so done with wilderball at this point, can't wait for him to just fuck off. I’ll re-connect with the club once he’s fully gone as whilst he’s here he’s sucked the life out of it.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

A mindset that every successful club in England abandoned about 30 years ago.

Lots of clubs and companies have a culture and that is not a bad thing. Trying to change a club’s culture is difficult and takes time and a lot of patience.
The playing style is something different.
Let’s assume our culture is based around hard work, giving it 100%, maybe a Yorkshire working class style.
You can still be young, foreign and attacking and fit into the culture

 

[JohnDenver]

I don't know what the club culture is or what Wilder was on about.
I do know that in my lifetime we've only had success with Dave Bassett, Neil Warnock and Chris Wilder - all managers cut from the same cloth.
And I know that Selles, Jokanovic etc - players from a different cloth got us nowhere.

If we're going to change, who might be successful with us? Sean Dyche, Fat Sam?

Fat Sam at Bolton brought in some absolute superstars from abroad.

If we were to go forrin, our model would be more Norwich than Bolton as we just ain’t got the coin.

 

[Jim Mcdonald]

I don't know what the club culture is or what Wilder was on about.
I do know that in my lifetime we've only had success with Dave Bassett, Neil Warnock and Chris Wilder - all managers cut from the same cloth.
And I know that Selles, Jokanovic etc - players from a different cloth got us nowhere.

If we're going to change, who might be successful with us? Sean Dyche, Fat Sam?

There is far more to the culture than the manager, it has to be set from the very top.

 

[Bladey_blade]

Would wilder have signed sabella? Absolutely not, one may say we were more modern in that respect in 1978!!!

 

[SheepdipBlade]

There is far more to the culture than the manager, it has to be set from the very top.

Yet the club - whether it's "culture" is set at the boardroom or on the kop - only seems to enable one kind of manager to succeed.
If we get a German wonderkid or a Portuguese tactical genius to replace Wilder, would they do any better than Jokanovic or Selles - or does the culture at Bramall Lane restrict us to the likes of Dyche and Alladyce?

 

[Champagneblade]

If you have a culture that has seen you not win anything for over 100 years it might be high time to revisit said culture!

 

[Addison]

Culture is defined by the Clubs history and geography. Set by the Board/owners and applied by all those associated with SUFC including the supporters.

As we have had no vision set by the current incumbents it is hard to determine what their views are on style of play, necessary requirements to achieve aspirational targets and core values.

SUFC's history defines its culture as far as I'm concerned. Created out of a cricket team located in the heart of the cutlery industry. A hard work ethic, supplemented by technical skills and endurance. All aspects of working in the cutlery industry. Its where the nickname the Blades originates.

Four FA Cup wins, 1 GB Cup win. 1 first divison championship and 48 wins compared to 36 in the Sheffield Derby.

The first club to employ a black professional player in Arthur Wharton. The first club to have a Romany represent England in Rabbi Howell.

Ernest Needham its greatest player capped 17 times for England. The Invincibles team of 1998 who won the only league title and went onto win two FA cups and GB cup.

All these are part of a culture that doesnt require you to be solely from the UK to understand it.

Sheffield people have a history of welcoming people of all creeds its part of our DNA.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Having a culture , a set of values,standards etc that exist through any organisation is one thing , its not static but changing it can be challenging .

Spurs are a good example of where a culture has persisted through different managers and players , even the current one. Hence the word spursy , a bit a soft touch and fragile.
Whoever our playing or management staff we wouldnt associate or tolerate with that attitude

The bladyness thing is weird but exists at other clubs , staff and managers often returning because they " know the club" . We're not alone in that , i dont subscribe to it but it exists .

Having the right culture matters to any organisation, its overplayed by wilder , over reacted to by many likewise.

Lovely to see a decent response to the question on what appears to be another excuse for yet another anti-wilder thread for the anti-wilder moaners to engage with. Enjoy (and yes, I think his time is up, but this cloaking an anti-wilder thread is just sad...)

 

[Pedro Verde]

Sheffield people have a history of welcoming people of all creeds its part of our DNA.

Can you tell Wilder

 

[ben1987]

He doesn’t want to change and he’s got no
Intention of changing.

Star will probably link us to a couple of overseas players between now and January so they can say they’ve looked and then they’ll nip down to B&Q on a Wednesday to see if any pensioners fancy a kickabout when they’ve done planting their tulips.

 

[SB_90]

it is mad isnt it about foreigners. when the most talented player some of us will likely ever seen. was senegalese

 

[ben1987]

it is mad isnt it about foreigners. when the most talented player some of us will likely ever seen. was senegalese

Absolutely!



So if 72% of premier league players were born outside of the UK and we one day want to have a proper go at the premier league we are then shopping in a pool of 28% of players good enough which also just happens to be the most expensive pool.

Championship clubs that aren’t looking to establish in the premier league still need to be shopping in the foreign markets to try and buy, develop and sell these future premier league players to support or sustain the club growth.

It’s an absolute joke we aren’t and seemingly don’t want to while just sticking our fingers in our ears going la la la can’t hear you

 

[Jim Mcdonald]

Yet the club - whether it's "culture" is set at the boardroom or on the kop - only seems to enable one kind of manager to succeed.
If we get a German wonderkid or a Portuguese tactical genius to replace Wilder, would they do any better than Jokanovic or Selles - or does the culture at Bramall Lane restrict us to the likes of Dyche and Alladyce?

The culture most definitely restricts us to 'old school' managers and their ideals, absolutely. Selles is still getting blamed by certain fans for the situation we find ourselves in. This is the frustrating element. Since this is the case, we should stick with dinosaurs like Wilder, until we can slowly implement new ideas. We are too stuck in our ways to accept it all in one go.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Us?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can you tell Wilder

Why, is there a problem?

 

[anglian blade]

The culture appears to be booze and beer bellies, unfortunately not confined to the stands

 

[Snake]

Culture is defined by the Clubs history and geography. Set by the Board/owners and applied by all those associated with SUFC including the supporters.

As we have had no vision set by the current incumbents it is hard to determine what their views are on style of play, necessary requirements to achieve aspirational targets and core values.

SUFC's history defines its culture as far as I'm concerned. Created out of a cricket team located in the heart of the cutlery industry. A hard work ethic, supplemented by technical skills and endurance. All aspects of working in the cutlery industry. Its where the nickname the Blades originates.

Four FA Cup wins, 1 GB Cup win. 1 first divison championship and 48 wins compared to 36 in the Sheffield Derby.

The first club to employ a black professional player in Arthur Wharton. The first club to have a Romany represent England in Rabbi Howell.

Ernest Needham its greatest player capped 17 times for England. The Invincibles team of 1998 who won the only league title and went onto win two FA cups and GB cup.

All these are part of a culture that doesnt require you to be solely from the UK to understand it.

Sheffield people have a history of welcoming people of all creeds its part of our DNA.

I know I spent most of 1998 off me tits on alco pops and 50p a bottle pils in Berlins, but how the fuck did I miss that Blades party!

 

[SB_90]

Absolutely!

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So if 72% of premier league players were born outside of the UK and we one day want to have a proper go at the premier league we are then shopping in a pool of 28% of players good enough which also just happens to be the most expensive pool.

Championship clubs that aren’t looking to establish in the premier league still need to be shopping in the foreign markets to try and buy, develop and sell these future premier league players to support or sustain the club growth.

It’s an absolute joke we aren’t and seemingly don’t want to while just sticking our fingers in our ears going la la la can’t hear you

stems back to our 1st relegation. of this culture. couldnt afford quality in domestic market like ie: calum wilson. wilder was against cheaper overseas talent like ie: Seko Fofana. so we ended up with worst of both worlds domestic talent that cost the same as overseas talent. ended up with rhian brewster & mcburnie costing 44m