Rochdale, can our defense keep them quiet ?

[The Jackal]

So, some people are the "dimmest" because they want to debate the merits of football on a football forum. Debate, I might add, the pro's and cons pertaining to the football team said forum exists to talk about ? See post above...

 

[Pinchy]

So, some people are the "dimmest" because they want to debate the merits of football on a football forum. Debate, I might add, the pro's and cons pertaining to the football team said forum exists to talk about ? See post above...

Explain to me, please, how whether or not we could, would, or might score four goals against Crawley has the slightest relevance to our forthcoming match against Rochdale? In case you're stuck, the only sensible answer is none whatsoever, given that Crawley will not be participating in the match.

Rochdale did score four at Crawley. That match is history. It has no more to do with the forthcoming fixture than our wins at Peterborough and West Ham and our admirable draw at Preston. Again, if you're struggling, the answer is it's fucking irrelevant and, therefore, read in context, meaningless bollocks.

This is truly Alice in Wonderland stuff. I can see I shall have to resort to quoting the wisdom of the Cheshire Cat again.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Funnily enough...

Last time we scored 3 away from home:

8 December 2012 - Carlisle 1-3 Blades (Flynn, Blackman, Collins)

Last time we scored 4 away from home:

10 April 2012 - Rochdale 2-5 Blades (Evans 2, McDonald, Williamson, Doyle)

 

[The Jackal]

OK we get it, you think its all bollox and we shouldnt talk about it, bwahbwahbwah!

Now we have that out of the way.

I still find it interesting, SUFC are to play a club that has scored 7 in 2 and have just blown away a club we struggled with a few weeks ago. Should be a good game that we should have enough about us to handle. Cant fkin wait! Stupid break!

 

[Esablade]

0-0 written all over it.

 

[Pinchy]

OK we get it, you think its all bollox and we shouldnt talk about it, bwahbwahbwah!

Now we have that out of the way.

I still find it interesting, SUFC are to play a club that has scored 7 in 2 and have just blown away a club we struggled with a few weeks ago. Should be a good game that we should have enough about us to handle. Cant fkin wait! Stupid break!

I didn't say you shouldn't talk about the game, of course you should. I'm merely pointing out transparent irrelevancies such as ridiculous comparisons between respective results against Crawley. They don't matter one jot when United and Rochdale take to the pitch on Saturday. Not one player, manager or coach on either side will give the slightest thought to Crawley. One or two of you are talking patent rubbish (it's a continuing habit for some) and I'm pointing it out. I've told you which parts of the discussion are manifest bollocks and why. The point is unanswerable and you now adopt the alternative strategy of avoiding it.

 

[The Jackal]

Only thing I think I will avoid is a debate about the sematics of a post I made on the tinternet. Cheers.

 

[Silent Blade]

Explain to me, please, how whether or not we could, would, or might score four goals against Crawley has the slightest relevance to our forthcoming match against Rochdale? In case you're stuck, the only sensible answer is none whatsoever, given that Crawley will not be participating in the match.

Rochdale did score four at Crawley. That match is history. It has no more to do with the forthcoming fixture than our wins at Peterborough and West Ham and our admirable draw at Preston. Again, if you're struggling, the answer is it's fucking irrelevant and, therefore, read in context, meaningless bollocks.

This is truly Alice in Wonderland stuff. I can see I shall have to resort to quoting the wisdom of the Cheshire Cat again.

Agree... an example

Boxing Day 1963 West Ham 2 Blackburn Rovers 8
28th December 1963 Blackburn Rovers 1 West Ham 3

Also
Jan 1972 Blades 0 Arsenal 5
Sept 1973 Blades 5 Arsenal 0

 

[Pinchy]

Agree... an example

Boxing Day 1963 West Ham 2 Blackburn Rovers 8
28th December 1963 Blackburn Rovers 1 West Ham 3

Also
Jan 1972 Blades 0 Arsenal 5
Sept 1973 Blades 5 Arsenal 0

Less spectacular but truly memorable Christmas matches (you can add the dates I'm sure):
United 2 (Jones, Birchenall) Newton Heath 1.
24-48 hrs later: Newton Heath 2 United 0

United 4 Soton 1, then
Soton 3 United 3 ( I think Chivers got two late goals?)

Those 'play each other twice' Christmas fixtures were great fun. I can't remember how long it lasted, though.

None of this, of course, will have any bearing on our game against Rochdale!

 

[Silent Blade]

Less spectacular but truly memorable Christmas matches (you can add the dates I'm sure):
United 2 (Jones, Birchenall) Newton Heath 1.
24-48 hrs later: Newton Heath 2 United 0

United 4 Soton 1, then
Soton 3 United 3 ( I think Chivers got two late goals?)

Those 'play each other twice' Christmas fixtures were great fun. I can't remember how long it lasted, though.

None of this, of course, will have any bearing on our game against Rochdale!

Think the two fixtures against the Saints in Xmas 1967 were our last "play each other twice" xmas fixtures although we played L**ds on Easter Monday and Tuesday in 1974

 

[Bladesway]

Biggest issue for me is we are worried about Rochdale coming and scoring goals against us. Didn't see that coming 8 years ago.

 

[carthesis]

They must have top top strikers up front probably worth 200 grand EACH

To be fair, they each could be worth £2 or £200 million - if they're under contract and the club doesn't want to sell (and, in fact CANNOT until January 1st) it is irrelevant how much they are or are not worth.

Just because we are Sheffield United does not mean that theoretically smaller clubs should roll over and sell their players to us just because we ask. I seem to recall various Blades complaining when we did exactly the same thing not so long ago ("Beattie has the flu" for example.) To think otherwise implies 'MASSIVE' arrogance

 

[judge]

To be fair, they each could be worth £2 or £200 million - if they're under contract and the club doesn't want to sell (and, in fact CANNOT until January 1st) it is irrelevant how much they are or are not worth.

Just because we are Sheffield United does not mean that theoretically smaller clubs should roll over and sell their players to us just because we ask. I seem to recall various Blades complaining when we did exactly the same thing not so long ago ("Beattie has the flu" for example.) To think otherwise implies 'MASSIVE' arrogance

Erm ...yeah not sure where i said that we were even after them mate

 

[carthesis]

Erm ...yeah not sure where i said that we were even after them mate

You didn't. But that same is true of any and every player that United go after.

You seemed to be implying that they were worth very little, and why don't we have players like that? Why haven't United spent even as little as £200k? To which, my answer is as previous. If clubs don't want to sell to us, we have little choice in the matter. A stance that many have encouraged OUR club to take in dealings with other teams.

 

[judge]

You didn't. But that same is true of any and every player that United go after.

You seemed to be implying that they were worth very little, and why don't we have players like that? Why haven't United spent even as little as £200k? To which, my answer is as previous. If clubs don't want to sell to us, we have little choice in the matter. A stance that many have encouraged OUR club to take in dealings with other teams.

It was a joke mate i was implying that to our club 200 k is a lot of money so these strikers ( i dont even know who scored for them ) may be so good they could be worth as much as that also

As far as our transfer dealings go the reason clubs wont sell to us is because we wont pay the market rate

Its not some moral crusade against inflated transfers its because the prince sees us as a business investment
We are going to be run on a tight budget and must sell an academy graduate a year in order to be able to bid 200k for million pound players

 

[Rodley]

It was a joke mate i was implying that to our club 200 k is a lot of money so these strikers ( i dont even know who scored for them ) may be so good they could be worth as much as that also

As far as our transfer dealings go the reason clubs wont sell to us is because we wont pay the market rate

Its not some moral crusade against inflated transfers its because the prince sees us as a business investment
We are going to be run on a tight budget and must sell an academy graduate a year in order to be able to bid 200k for million pound players

Football clubs haemorrhage money, it's very unlikely the Maguire money will go anyway near to plug the annual shortfall. I can't see the Prince viewing us as a business investment as there are numerous investments which will actually offer him a much better return (I.e. a return).

We need one more signing and we're there. I think the loan market is probably more realistic to get a player of genuine quality in. Let's see what happens.

 

[Punk Blade]

In case it helps anyone, the only connection between the questions 'can we contain Rochdale's attack?' and 'would we score four at Crawley?' is that it is thoroughly depressing to have to ask them.

 

[Dec]

Not one player, manager or coach on either side will give the slightest thought to Crawley.

You honestly don't think it's feasible for the Rochdale coaching staff to ask them to carry on from where they left off at Crawley. Of course how many goals a team has scored recently is relevant in a discussion about how much of an attacking threat they will pose to our defence...

Not sure how you can say that the confidence a team will have got from winning 0-3 and 0-4 is irrelevant.

Obviously just because they've scored 7 in the past 2 it doesn't mean to say they're odds on to repeat that but their recent results are of relevance and I'm sure Clough Jr. will have taken note of how they've been getting on.

 

[Pinchy]

You honestly don't think it's feasible for the Rochdale coaching staff to ask them to carry on from where they left off at Crawley. Of course how many goals a team has scored recently is relevant in a discussion about how much of an attacking threat they will pose to our defence...

Not sure how you can say that the confidence a team will have got from winning 0-3 and 0-4 is irrelevant.

Obviously just because they've scored 7 in the past 2 it doesn't mean to say they're odds on to repeat that but their recent results are of relevance and I'm sure Clough Jr. will have taken note of how they've been getting on.

Because I have been following football long enough to know better.

I remember a glorious day when the Mighty Blades thrashed Ipswich 7-0. Woody got four, I think, and Len, who didn't score much, hit the net from about 40 yards. So, confidence flowing at an unprecedented level, like wine at a Galilean wedding, we all set off to Selhurst Park the very next match, Goals R Us in town, ready to celebrate another one-sided feast of net-busting. We got it, of course.

5-1 to Palace.

Clearly, our coaches, to their eternal shame, had forgotten to remind our lads to "Carry on scoring boys..like the Ipswich game". Palace, for their part, had overlooked the need to defend their goal at all costs, in fear and trembling at our previous exploits. They were daft enough to think that every game was different, and convinced themselves of the bizarre notion that we were in a completely different contest, starting on level terms.

Whilst I have your attention, can you explain [nobody else has, despite my polite requests] the relevance of these nuggets of wisdom to a home game against Rochdale:

"Don't think we would go to Crawley and win 4-0"

"I don't think we would go anywhere in this league and score 4 goals."

"Just remind me how many we scored against Crawley again."

"Last season we didn't score more than 2 goals away all season. Hell, we only scored 2 away from home twice!"

As I have repeatedly said. in context, meaningless bollocks. I do wish people would listen before leaping for their high horse.

I'm only here to help, you know....

 

[Zanzibar]

Football clubs haemorrhage money, it's very unlikely the Maguire money will go anyway near to plug the annual shortfall. I can't see the Prince viewing us as a business investment as there are numerous investments which will actually offer him a much better return (I.e. a return).

We need one more signing and we're there. I think the loan market is probably more realistic to get a player of genuine quality in. Let's see what happens.

Actually the Prince has stated more than once that he is looking for a profit.....unless he meant prophet.
They are hard to find in S2...I think he meant money.

 

[Dec]

Because I have been following football long enough to know better.

I remember a glorious day when the Mighty Blades thrashed Ipswich 7-0. Woody got four, I think, and Len, who didn't score much, hit the net from about 40 yards. So, confidence flowing at an unprecedented level, like wine at a Galilean wedding, we all set off to Selhurst Park the very next match, Goals R Us in town, ready to celebrate another one-sided feast of net-busting. We got it, of course.

5-1 to Palace.

Clearly, our coaches, to their eternal shame, had forgotten to remind our lads to "Carry on scoring boys..like the Ipswich game". Palace, for their part, had overlooked the need to defend their goal at all costs, in fear and trembling at our previous exploits. They were daft enough to think that every game was different, and convinced themselves of the bizarre notion that we were in a completely different contest, starting on level terms.

Whilst I have your attention, can you explain [nobody else has, despite my polite requests] the relevance of these nuggets of wisdom to a home game against Rochdale:

"Don't think we would go to Crawley and win 4-0"

"I don't think we would go anywhere in this league and score 4 goals."

"Just remind me how many we scored against Crawley again."

"Last season we didn't score more than 2 goals away all season. Hell, we only scored 2 away from home twice!"

As I have repeatedly said. in context, meaningless bollocks. I do wish people would listen before leaping for their high horse.

I'm only here to help, you know....

You listed one scenario where a previous situation didn't appear to count for anything. Can I ask if you also think that during Arsenal's 'invincibles' season - do you believe the fact that they were unbeaten in previous games helped them (I'm not saying it's the overriding reason why) to maintain that, or do you really just see it as game by game?

And to your question... I don't necessarily agree that those quoted points are worth factoring into the "can our defense keep them quiet" debate but some people might and a point can be made that they are slightly relevant to the topic at hand.

The fact that they "don't think we would go to Crawley and win 4-0" or "go anywhere in this league and score 4 goals" implies that our attacking threat is less than that of Rochdale's. And we, being one of the stronger teams in the division, should probably be wary of something that a side managed to do that we wouldn't (but that is questionable in itself which is why I don't agree with the point). But that may well be their thinking behind the point they made... you shouldn't just dismiss every post as nonsense if you don't agree with it.

The other points are of similar nature: "Last season we didn't score more than 2 goals away all season. Hell, we only scored 2 away from home twice!". By any team in any league's standard, scoring 4 goals away from home is impressive and should make us slightly more aware, but not worried, of their attacking 'prowess' (yes, Rochdale's attacking prowess). This is demonstrated by us being unable to do so (score 4 away goals) in either of the past 2 seasons - this in a league where we have one of the highest wage bills.

You might not agree with the above points (I'm not even sure if I properly do! Feels like we're arguing for the sake of arguing...) but the fact that I was able to come up with this shows there is some slight relevancy.

 

[Jehovah]

Utterly pointless speculation and wholly irrelevant to our game against Rochdale. It's a different game. Their win at Crawley is as irrelevant as our last three excellent results.

I don't think Rochdale could win at Peterborough and West Ham and draw at PNE in successive away games but that doesn't matter one jot either.

What meaningless bollocks this is! I should be surprised but.....

Pinchy, most stuff on football forums is meaningless bollocks. Most posts are speculative. Neither of us have any idea what the score will be V Rochdale, so should we not discuss it? Its just a bit of fun. Relax man.

 

[Pinchy]

You listed one scenario where a previous situation didn't appear to count for anything. Can I ask if you also think that during Arsenal's 'invincibles' season - do you believe the fact that they were unbeaten in previous games helped them (I'm not saying it's the overriding reason why) to maintain that, or do you really just see it as game by game?

And to your question... I don't necessarily agree that those quoted points are worth factoring into the "can our defense keep them quiet" debate but some people might and a point can be made that they are slightly relevant to the topic at hand.

The fact that they "don't think we would go to Crawley and win 4-0" or "go anywhere in this league and score 4 goals" implies that our attacking threat is less than that of Rochdale's. And we, being one of the stronger teams in the division, should probably be wary of something that a side managed to do that we wouldn't (but that is questionable in itself which is why I don't agree with the point). But that may well be their thinking behind the point they made... you shouldn't just dismiss every post as nonsense if you don't agree with it.

The other points are of similar nature: "Last season we didn't score more than 2 goals away all season. Hell, we only scored 2 away from home twice!". By any team in any league's standard, scoring 4 goals away from home is impressive and should make us slightly more aware, but not worried, of their attacking 'prowess' (yes, Rochdale's attacking prowess). This is demonstrated by us being unable to do so (score 4 away goals) in either of the past 2 seasons - this in a league where we have one of the highest wage bills.

You might not agree with the above points (I'm not even sure if I properly do! Feels like we're arguing for the sake of arguing...) but the fact that I was able to come up with this shows there is some slight relevancy.

Well mate, you tried hard. I'll give you that....

 

[wizadry]

"Just remind me how many we scored against Crawley again."

I got politely asked "who's worried" by a poster earlier in the thread,so i corrected that by saying "we should be wary instead" which i think is relevant as we could only manage 1 at home to Crawley yet our hosts been Rochdale managed 4 against them,so i thought wary was about right tbh.

I didn't realise you was on about me earlier in the thread otherwise i could have answered earlier,sorry for writing that complete and utter bollocks

 

[Pinchy]

I got politely asked "who's worried" by a poster earlier in the thread,so i corrected that by saying "we should be wary instead" which i think is relevant as we could only manage 1 at home to Crawley yet our hosts been Rochdale managed 4 against them,so i thought wary was about right tbh.

I didn't realise you was on about me earlier in the thread otherwise i could have answered earlier,sorry for writing that complete and utter bollocks

Apology accepted Wiz. We can't agree all the time, mate. Occasionally, you'll get things wrong and I'm always here to help....

 

[wizadry]

Apology accepted Wiz. We can't agree all the time, mate. Occasionally, you'll get things wrong and I'm always here to help....

You are nice Pinchy aren't you

 

[Houso]

Why yes... yes we can.

 

[The Jackal]

Crossbar had a reyt game... Players did themselves, the club n us fans proud, reyt game and after the international break, it was jus what the doc ordered. Onwards n upwards.

 

[Pinchy]

Everyone knew where the crossbar was. It didn't move during the game. You want to score? Don't hit the bar.

 

[The Jackal]