Player Suggestion Souttar played and scored last night

[Zeblades34]

Leicester paid 15m for him.

You can understand why they want around 10m.

If that was us he'd have been bought for £15m then later down the line sold for £5m +add ons which will never get activated

 

[sufc323]

Anyone remember Wilder saying he wanted to sign players that were always available

Depends on your interpretation of available.

Available for matches? Probably not. Available for a pint, absolutely

 

[Liaminho9]

Predicting the inevitable tweet from Danny Hall once we sign him
“Understand the fee is not the £10m upfront being reported”

 

[Chief]

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It can happen though.

Really, really wish people would stop using Didzy as the "see, injury prone players can come good" yard stick. Especially as a Souttar comparison.

McGoldrick was already an established Championship pro with hundreds of appearances under his belt. Despite famously having a lot of niggly injuries, he was still managing 25-30 games a season prior to signing.

Not enough games, sure, but not absolutely terrible. Your screenshot shows he'd played 145 games in the 5 seasons prior to signing for us.

Souttar? 65 games in the prior 5 seasons. They are not the same.

Souttar is 27, been at 6 clubs, 10+ season career... he's only managed 25 games twice!

One of these two players was a free, the other £10m. It's a ridiculous comparison.

I loved Souttar and want him back, but the price we're paying is simply outrageous.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Souttar was always going to be a gamble. Now it just appears that it'll be an even bigger gamble

It isn't paying 10m instead of 6m that bothers me most though

It's this repeated transfer market approach of obsessively focusing on one player

Just as no player is irreplaceable, no player is ever the only option for you to sign. We're acting like there's no other CB in the world, and haven't hidden our desperation. And as a result we've positioned ourselves perfectly to be shafted

Such a spend on this sort of player is also hard to justify if we don't have a chance of promotion, which currently we don't

 

[Keen Blade]

Literally all clubs bar those in prem, and even then it’s not all of them, get anything back from majority of players they buy

For every one or odd two you sell to a prem team for profit more than often most don’t

The reason we didn’t sell Hamer or McBurnie or moose for big money is there was never any market for them to get that money so we decided to obviously act as we did

So why do our owners try to kid us that player-trading is their business model ?
Why do we buy duds like Gbric & Cannon who anyone could see are duds with a bit of observational scouting ?
Why trust some idiot with an AI programme to bring in a slew of kids who we never play ?
And then veer back to oldies like Philips , Rothwell & Jairo who can only do 60 mins.
We go from pillar to post and back again in such an unfocussed way , it speaks of a lack of cohesion between the absent clueless owners and the Bettis/Wilder executives at the Lane.
And along the way , eye-watering sums of £ have been wasted.
After chewing our way through half a billion in the last 6 years , you'd think that someone , somewhere would have learned their lesson.
But no , we're going after older players with known records of injury , trying the high-risk attempts at quick-fix.
Then again , I suppose the owners were never here for the long-term.
Unlike us.

 

[ben1987]

Really, really wish people would stop using Didzy as the "see, injury prone players can come good" yard stick. Especially as a Souttar comparison.

McGoldrick was already an established Championship pro with hundreds of appearances under his belt. Despite famously having a lot of niggly injuries, he was still managing 25-30 games a season prior to signing.

Not enough games, sure, but not absolutely terrible. Your screenshot shows he'd played 145 games in the 5 seasons prior to signing for us.

Souttar? 65 games in the prior 5 seasons. They are not the same.

Souttar is 27, been at 6 clubs, 10+ season career... he's only managed 25 games twice!

One of these two players was a free, the other £10m. It's a ridiculous comparison.

I loved Souttar and want him back, but the price we're paying is simply outrageous.

Agree.

Didzy had many niggly injuries and was advised to drop the long commute. Gets new job with much shorter commute and availability increases. Shock!

Souttar has had at least two major injuries which required 3 lots of surgery. One on the ACL and two on the Achilles. He’s an awkward build and size for a professional footballer which will put extra strain on his body.

The most games he’s ever played in a season was 38 going back to 2020-2021… the third most he’s ever played in a season was for us, a season which ended on Boxing Day.

A fully fit and available Souttar is a beast, comfortably worth the £15mm Leicester paid for him. All this IF he stays fit is a massive IF because the odds are stacked against it. He hasn’t ever played a full season.

United are clearly very budget constrained this season and it looks like we’re putting all our eggs in one big beautiful Australian basket. People are right to be concerned about the risk. Just the same as they are with Kalvin Philips. It’s not ‘anti wilder’ as some have said, it’s just common sense. What is it, 6 competitive matches since Boxing Day 24. He’s the best CB we could hope for, but I’m nervous about it. With the Asia cup and anything he picks up along the way you’ve got to think we’re without our potential new club captain for 10+ games.

 

[ATL Recs]

Please let this madness go away

 

[Brownieblade]

So why do our owners try to kid us that player-trading is their business model ?
Why do we buy duds like Gbric & Cannon who anyone could see are duds with a bit of observational scouting ?
Why trust some idiot with an AI programme to bring in a slew of kids who we never play ?
And then veer back to oldies like Philips , Rothwell & Jairo who can only do 60 mins.
We go from pillar to post and back again in such an unfocussed way , it speaks of a lack of cohesion between the absent clueless owners and the Bettis/Wilder executives at the Lane.
And along the way , eye-watering sums of £ have been wasted.
After chewing our way through half a billion in the last 6 years , you'd think that someone , somewhere would have learned their lesson.
But no , we're going after older players with known records of injury , trying the high-risk attempts at quick-fix.
Then again , I suppose the owners were never here for the long-term.
Unlike us.

I don’t know if they do with your first point
I believe Grbic had played international football and that he was looked at by one of our former keepers who said buy him, Cannon has been gambled on by bigger clubs than us and you don’t reach that level generally by being a dud
Sometimes players just don’t work out at certain clubs in certain systems, it’s a gamble
We have won fuck all for over a hundred years and not got close bar a few cup semi finals, our various models or attempts haven’t worked so why not try AI


Can’t answer the why so we buy oldies and that doesn’t work but I can tell you I wouldn’t trust them or the prince or Kev to have produced what say Brentford have in past

And that’s even with recognising that we have had a very decent system of producing young lads, we just don’t have that regular production line selling to top teams all time

Eye watering sums for our fans yes, eye watering in terms of what other championship teams and prem teams then no

Half a billion addresses many other things doesn’t it, not just transfers

The owners are who they are, it would be great to have one of us as a billionaire in control but nothing guaranteed there, you saw first hand with Kev and what he had how being one of us guarantees nothing

 

[Ron_Justice]

Really, really wish people would stop using Didzy as the "see, injury prone players can come good" yard stick. Especially as a Souttar comparison.

McGoldrick was already an established Championship pro with hundreds of appearances under his belt. Despite famously having a lot of niggly injuries, he was still managing 25-30 games a season prior to signing.

Not enough games, sure, but not absolutely terrible. Your screenshot shows he'd played 145 games in the 5 seasons prior to signing for us.

Souttar? 65 games in the prior 5 seasons. They are not the same.

Souttar is 27, been at 6 clubs, 10+ season career... he's only managed 25 games twice!

One of these two players was a free, the other £10m. It's a ridiculous comparison.

I loved Souttar and want him back, but the price we're paying is simply outrageous.

Hard agree. Me using Didz was in response to the metric of 30 games a season. Didz was just the first name I thought of that happened to fit the metric.

No denying that Souttar has an availability question mark. It's why we're in the conversation.

 

[mattbianco1]

What squad number is available for H.

#6 or #15 most likely. He wears #19 for Australia which is also available

All of them. Don't think they are confirmed until Thursday.

We can't change the ones used in League Cup other day, surely?

Phillips will take #8

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

#6 or #15 most likely. He wears #19 for Australia which is also available



We can't change the ones used in League Cup other day, surely?

Phillips will take #8

Good point.

Move along.

 

[Blade In Flame]

Please let this madness go away

Indeed. It seems this is just one step beyond.

 

[Ron_Justice]

Souttar was always going to be a gamble. Now it just appears that it'll be an even bigger gamble

It isn't paying 10m instead of 6m that bothers me most though

It's this repeated transfer market approach of obsessively focusing on one player

Just as no player is irreplaceable, no player is ever the only option for you to sign. We're acting like there's no other CB in the world, and haven't hidden our desperation. And as a result we've positioned ourselves perfectly to be shafted

Such a spend on this sort of player is also hard to justify if we don't have a chance of promotion, which currently we don't

I guarantee that the club is looking, just as intently, at other players. They just let the news out that they want. No journalist is catching a scoop and rushing to the morning press. Buying clubs, selling clubs, players, agents, all have media teams and preferred contracts that they feed info to to control the narrative, manipulate the market, garner support etc. We're hearing mere snippets of the actual conversation, but trying to understand the whole story.

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

Indeed. It seems this is just one step beyond.

This shouldn’t happen in Our House

 

[Blade In Flame]

This shouldn’t happen in Our House

If Wilder is that keen on Souttar, it must be love.

 

[Sithblade]

Predicting the inevitable tweet from Danny Hall once we sign him
“Understand the fee is not the £10m upfront being reported”

 

[Pedro Verde]

I believe Grbic had played international football and that he was looked at by one of our former keepers who said buy him,

With regard to Grbic (i know its going a little off topic) I would be interested to know how our former keeper looked at him. He was No 2 Athetico so presumably was on the bench for 99% of La Liga games so when / how did he look at him in a meaningful game

 

[Blade In Flame]

This shouldn’t happen in Our House

Not exactly the house of fun, is it?

 

[Zeblades34]

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

If Wilder is that keen on Souttar, it must be love.

Let’s hope we get this one in the Bag. EE! T Rous us from the negativity it needs to go through.

 

[Hamer's Right Peg]

If Souttar was a ST we would all be singing get him in.

Gamechanging CBs are worth just as much

 

[Champagneblade]

I think you misunderstand people's concerns; it isn't the fee per se, and it isn't people saying Harry Souttar ain't any good, but it's spending £10m+ on a Harry Souttar that hasn't completed a full season for over half a decade. It's also the fact that we have seemingly backed ourselves into a corner, where we have given ourselves essentially no other option than paying the full whack that Leicester are after. No one else is (apparently) in for him and we don't appear to have a fall back option to give us a stronger bargaining position. It's a really poor recruitment method and shows no signs of changing.

This is one of Wilder’s main failings IMHO and one of the club in terms of the way we attempt to recruit.

It should be: I want an aerially dominant centre half who is 6’4” minimum. I want experience and leadership but I don’t want him past his prime or too green.

The empowered scouting team come back and say:

We have identified 10 players based on your criteria, within a certain price range, captaincy experience, aged 25-29.

Put them in order of preference and we’ll get to work.

I have more of a feeling that United say “we should try and get Souttar back, he’d be good.”

It won’t be that simple but I’d say we are further across one per of that spectrum than we should be at times.

 

[Brownieblade]

With regard to Grbic (i know its going a little off topic) I would be interested to know how our former keeper looked at him. He was No 2 Athetico so presumably was on the bench for 99% of La Liga games so when / how did he look at him in a meaningful game

I can only tell you what was being talked about on here at the time, I just can’t for life of me remember who the keeper was

I think we can all guess that he looked at a few games and said he was ok and we went with it

 

[bertieblade]

Thought Matt Duke was the guy responsible for recommending him

 

[Champagneblade]

Thought Matt Duke was the guy responsible for recommending him

I hope he’s still working off that debt.

 

[Pintor75]

This is one of Wilder’s main failings IMHO and one of the club in terms of the way we attempt to recruit.

It should be: I want an aerially dominant centre half who is 6’4” minimum. I want experience and leadership but I don’t want him past his prime or too green.

The empowered scouting team come back and say:

We have identified 10 players based on your criteria, within a certain price range, captaincy experience, aged 25-29.

Put them in order of preference and we’ll get to work.

I have more of a feeling that United say “we should try and get Souttar back, he’d be good.”

It won’t be that simple but I’d say we are further across one per of that spectrum than we should be at times.

Sounds more like we were doing well when Souttar first was here and Wilder thinks we can return to those times again, living in the past again, not guaranteed, but hope it comes off if he signs

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Must be close to a record fee for a League One player.
Chuck in he's injury prone and the selling club is very broke, Leicester have played a blinder.

 

[maxstertheblade]

Must be close to a record fee for a League One player.
Chuck in he's injury prone and the selling club is very broke, Leicester have played a blinder.

Think Ipswich beat us paying 20 mil for Fatawu

 

[jimmymuir]

Must be close to a record fee for a League One player.
Chuck in he's injury prone and the selling club is very broke, Leicester have played a blinder.

Hope he's not like the last player we signed from Leicester for £10m...