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Is it just me, or do we feel like we still have quite a lot to do?!

We're idling towards nothing, with no real sense of urgency.

We have very little depth, across the park.
We need a first choice CB
A first choice CM, especially if anyone leaves.
We are still playing Gus LW and then if he leaves, we have no replacement.
We have an inexperienced kid at RW and no further depth. Huge drop off from Brooks.
We have no pace or athleticism, or creativity. A problem worsened notably if Gus goes.

...and we seemingly have next to naff all resources upon which to do it.

We seem preoccupied with fending off bids for who we do have and we are showing no gumption or ambition to try and improve the squad in any way.
 



Is it just me, or do we feel like we still have quite a lot to do?!

We're idling towards nothing, with no real sense of urgency.

We have very little depth, across the park.
We need a first choice CB
A first choice CM, especially if anyone leaves.
We are still playing Gus LW and then if he leaves, we have no replacement.
We have an inexperienced kid at RW and no further depth. Huge drop off from Brooks.
We have no pace or athleticism, or creativity. A problem worsened notably if Gus goes.

...and we seemingly have next to naff all resources upon which to do it.

We seem preoccupied with fending off bids for who we do have and we are showing no gumption or ambition to try and improve the squad in any way.
Fear not. Shackleton is back in the squad. The missing link to propel us to the promised land.
 
Is it just me, or do we feel like we still have quite a lot to do?!

We're idling towards nothing, with no real sense of urgency.

We have very little depth, across the park.
We need a first choice CB
A first choice CM, especially if anyone leaves.
We are still playing Gus LW and then if he leaves, we have no replacement.
We have an inexperienced kid at RW and no further depth. Huge drop off from Brooks.
We have no pace or athleticism, or creativity. A problem worsened notably if Gus goes.

...and we seemingly have next to naff all resources upon which to do it.

We seem preoccupied with fending off bids for who we do have and we are showing no gumption or ambition to try and improve the squad in any way.
And the players we are being linked with don’t add the pace, athleticism or physicality we’re crying out for (except Souttar’s massive head). Could be a tough group to watch again this season.
 
If Hamer goes, the board (with the squad as is) as confining us to a relegation battle. IMO.

They may not be football people, but all you have to do is look at last season's lacklustre performance and then remove your two most creative talents and do some data modelling on how that season may go for you...
 
And the players we are being linked with don’t add the pace, athleticism or physicality we’re crying out for (except Souttar’s massive head). Could be a tough group to watch again this season.
There are no discernable patterns of play. There is no athleticism or pace. Certainly nowt of the kind required to do the runners in behind model that the squad have started to reference.

And it doesn't need to cost the earth to attempt that. The lad from Barnsley, Watson from Brighton in on loan etc.
 
Same old recruitment mistakes… leaving it sooooo late in the window…. Same result… failure…

We are destined to be a nothing club.. used to it now.
 
Same old recruitment mistakes… leaving it sooooo late in the window…. Same result… failure…

We are destined to be a nothing club.. used to it now.
And I'm not suggesting for one minute that we attempt to spend beyond our means, but we could at least be showing some interest in promising players from Leagues 1 and 2, to try and find some athleticism, potential and value.
 
Is it just me, or do we feel like we still have quite a lot to do?!

We're idling towards nothing, with no real sense of urgency.

We have very little depth, across the park.
We need a first choice CB
A first choice CM, especially if anyone leaves.
We are still playing Gus LW and then if he leaves, we have no replacement.
We have an inexperienced kid at RW and no further depth. Huge drop off from Brooks.
We have no pace or athleticism, or creativity. A problem worsened notably if Gus goes.

...and we seemingly have next to naff all resources upon which to do it.

We seem preoccupied with fending off bids for who we do have and we are showing no gumption or ambition to try and improve the squad in any way.
I’m not sure the hierarchy of the club know what they want to do at the minute.

Wilder will want to compete and will want resources to allow him to do so his recruitment track record is open to criticism but his desire to compete isn’t.

The issue is above Wilder I’m not sure the club knows what it wants to achieve currently the club is behaving like it’s content finishing somewhere between 16th and 10th and being another also ran in a lost season.

As I see it there are 4 ways to get promoted out of the Championship each more unlikely than the last.

1. Outspend the division buy high quality players for big money that realistically are too good for this level. Put an inoffensive beige face in a suit in charge who can keep the dressing room happy and everything ticking along and you’ll very likely go up - Parachute payments are over and we don’t appear to have big injection of funds from the owners United don’t have the cash for that.

2. Sign young players in their early 20’s develop them and sell them for profit reinvesting in more signings. If your recruitment is good normally in 2-3 cycles you’re consistently at the top end of the division waiting for the stars to align and it be your year.

3. Build on previous momentum normally centred on a manager who is in the defining period of their career. This normally happens with teams who have recently been promoted from league one but not always a manager catches lightning in a bottle with the right group of players over a 2-3 year period and together they go on a charge.

4. Be boring and hard to breakdown sneak into the playoffs and scrape through on determination and organisation with the ball bouncing your way in a short knock out run of games.

United don’t have the cash for number 1. We aren’t pursuing number 2 and our track record would suggest we don’t have the recruitment staff to pull it off right now if we were. We don’t have the manger for number 3 Wilder was that man for us but neither he nor this group of players are the same as then so he’s unlikely to do it twice. Plus you can’t hire a manager expecting based on their previous track records that they can go on that kind of run as most managers only do that once in a career when everything comes together perfectly and then struggle afterwards see Adkins. I’d guess we’re hoping for number 4 but that is a slim slim chance and most teams who try that end up as also rans.
 
Without opening the same old argument but we're recruiting wilder players, yes the board may be clueless but they're clearly being led by senior management decisions.

Let's not pretend he hasn't a voice and considerable influence in how we're setting up to play for the season. I think this may be as bad a season as we've had for some time, I hope not but even being optimistic I'm not seeing a coherent game plan. Who will start the first match?
 
And I'm not suggesting for one minute that we attempt to spend beyond our means, but we could at least be showing some interest in promising players from Leagues 1 and 2, to try and find some athleticism, potential and value.
I think we will have scouted league 1 .2.
And the national league.not easy to pick out future stars without overloading with players.
Chelsea do it and can afford to do it. ( also breaking rules ) with most sold for a loss.
 
Without opening the same old argument but we're recruiting wilder players, yes the board may be clueless but they're clearly being led by senior management decisions.

Let's not pretend he hasn't a voice and considerable influence in how we're setting up to play for the season. I think this may be as bad a season as we've had for some time, I hope not but even being optimistic I'm not seeing a coherent game plan. Who will start the first match?

Pretty much my feelings too, our style has become flat, stale and predictable.

Even if Gus stays, I don't see us being in the top half for chances created.

And if Gus goes... well, its gonna be a longggg hard season
 
The only time I remember United getting pre-season business done early was when David Weir signed Stephen McGinn, Sean McGinty, Jasper Johns and Febian Brandy all on the same day in July.

We probably should have taken our time a bit more!
Very true and we signed Chris Guthrie just after the end of the 1974-75 season (yes, it was that early!)
 



Very true and we signed Chris Guthrie just after the end of the 1974-75 season (yes, it was that early!)
Yep, he was going to be the missing link to propel us to European football the following season. That went well.

In fairness he did look like the missing link. Certainly more Homo Erectus than Homo Sapiens.
 
There are no discernable patterns of play. There is no athleticism or pace. Certainly nowt of the kind required to do the runners in behind model that the squad have started to reference.

And it doesn't need to cost the earth to attempt that. The lad from Barnsley, Watson from Brighton in on loan etc.
Completely agree. The ‘runners in behind’ stuff worries me too for a few reasons.

1. Bamford, Cannon, O’Hare, Chong etc don’t really have the pace to get away from defenders & have actually been pretty poor in 1 on 1 situations even if they did get in.
2. Only Hamer has the consistent ability to pick a pass in behind and is probably leaving.
3. If our main plan is to try and ‘go over’ teams (not round or through to use Wilder’s terms), then we’re purposely setting ourselves up to be a team who don’t look after or care about possession.
4. What about when teams just drop deep? We’ve seen plenty of teams sit behind the ball at the Lane and we have zero idea how to break them down, because like you say we have zero patterns of play.

It’s just such a shift from the first version of Wilder. Those first 3 seasons under him we had such a clear style of play, patterns and triangles in possession aiming to create overloads and penning teams in. I’d much rather go back to this than the boring side to side then hit & hope 4-2-3-1.
 
Completely agree. The ‘runners in behind’ stuff worries me too for a few reasons.

1. Bamford, Cannon, O’Hare, Chong etc don’t really have the pace to get away from defenders & have actually been pretty poor in 1 on 1 situations even if they did get in.
2. Only Hamer has the consistent ability to pick a pass in behind and is probably leaving.
3. If our main plan is to try and ‘go over’ teams (not round or through to use Wilder’s terms), then we’re purposely setting ourselves up to be a team who don’t look after or care about possession.
4. What about when teams just drop deep? We’ve seen plenty of teams sit behind the ball at the Lane and we have zero idea how to break them down, because like you say we have zero patterns of play.

It’s just such a shift from the first version of Wilder. Those first 3 seasons under him we had such a clear style of play, patterns and triangles in possession aiming to create overloads and penning teams in. I’d much rather go back to this than the boring side to side then hit & hope 4-2-3-1.
I would MUCH rather the 3-5-2 Duffy system than this. Play O'Hare in the Duffy role. It's like Wilder is purposely distancing himself from that system. But in doing so, it also appears that he has writer's block in terms of coming up with something else more creative.
 
There are no discernable patterns of play. There is no athleticism or pace. Certainly nowt of the kind required to do the runners in behind model that the squad have started to reference.

And it doesn't need to cost the earth to attempt that. The lad from Barnsley, Watson from Brighton in on loan etc.
Yesterdays performance concerned me fully agree whats the plan? Team set up looked disjointed lacking pace and Cannon up top on his own. I fear a tough season ahead
 
Wilder is out of his depth with regard to recruitment. Too predictable in his signings. We a DOF in ASAP. He's been great for us previously. Football has changed since he first came in. If he can't change I'm afraid it's time to part amicably. I hope l am wrong
 
I would MUCH rather the 3-5-2 Duffy system than this. Play O'Hare in the Duffy role. It's like Wilder is purposely distancing himself from that system. But in doing so, it also appears that he has writer's block in terms of coming up with something else more creative.
You can't be creative when you play two defensive midfielders and a lone striker every game, home and away, especially when one of the defensive midfielders only passes backwards and sideways but is seemingly undroppable as he is the "star boy."

I'd happily see us sell Hamer and Peck and reinvest the money to bring in a permanent left winger, another centre back and hopefully strengthen at least two other positions in the starting line up.

O'Hare thrived when Hamer was injured last season and he can play a number 10 role behind two strikers, which would also bring out the potential in Cannon. Cannon plays better in a front two not as a lone striker.
 
I would MUCH rather the 3-5-2 Duffy system than this. Play O'Hare in the Duffy role. It's like Wilder is purposely distancing himself from that system. But in doing so, it also appears that he has writer's block in terms of coming up with something else more creative.
Odd he hasn’t even tried it since he came back, particularly as the squad is actually quite set up for it.

Seriki/Burrows/McCallum/Doherty are decent wing back options. 2 up top would make Cannon a reasonable option and would allow Oné more of a chance. Our defence isn’t that good so an extra CB would help tighten us up and defend crosses better than we did last year, and hopefully stop more crosses coming in with the wing backs. Then we’d still have the option of playing two 10’s and a striker in some games to mix it up.

It’s odd that we’re stuck to a system with wingers when the only true winger we seem to have now is on loan. We don’t create enough in this system but still look defensively vulnerable, I’m just struggling to see the benefits of setting up like this.
 
It's absolutely criminal how much Oné has been underutilised Oné this preseason, given that we have very few pacey, credible, exciting attacking options.
We've mainly been playing with one up top in pre-season and he's fourth in the pecking order. It was always going to be hard for him to stand out in pre-season.
 
End of season reshape of the squad, yet we have still to make a decent signing, all the talk of a good pre season is wasted if players don't come in until a week to go, therefore takes them weeks to get up to speed
 
We've mainly been playing with one up top in pre-season and he's fourth in the pecking order. It was always going to be hard for him to stand out in pre-season.
The only reason Cannon plays instead of him is the price tag. Literally zero other reason for it, he offers nothing more than Oné and has less upside. We just need to cut our losses and sell Cannon and stop hindering the team.
 
Purely based on noises from the club and press speculation I expect the following.

Gus sold with the fee balancing the fee Souter, or thereabouts.

Peck to be sold and a Loan deal agreed for Phillips

McGuiness sold at a loss rather than loaned

Fringe players ( Zatter , Blacker , Curtis etc loaned ).

Any incomings other than that not to top £5m in total or be loanees.

May not all happen but cant think its too dar off .

Roll on next seasons ride into the unknown
 



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