Harry souttar

[Bramhall Lane blade]

Club honours, seasons in the top flight, academy, fanbase, stadium, etc.

Those literally just off the top of my head.

If turning over were a measure of the size of a club you’d also be accepting that Bournemouth, Fulham and Burnley are all bigger than us as well (which cleary they aren’t).

Of course they are,currently.

 

[Bell4]

Wrexham played Leeds last night in Florida in front of 29000.

While we played Rotherham.

Yet some of our fans insist that we are much bigger than them - 'because'

And beat them

 

[CrookesBlade]

Wrexham are a freak show, essentially. A very rich freak show but a freak show nonetheless and really not worth getting worked up over.

In terms of who’s “bigger”….leave that nonsense for the pig fans.

 

[The Crab]

Wrexham are a freak show, essentially. A very rich freak show but a freak show nonetheless and really not worth getting worked up over.

In terms of who’s “bigger”….leave that nonsense for the pig fans.

True. But we’re becoming a freak show for all the wrong reasons

 

[TJ blade]

Wrexham played Leeds last night in Florida in front of 29000.

While we played Rotherham.

Yet some of our fans insist that we are much bigger than them - 'because'

I think we can use the term "use to be" same as Bournemouth & Brentford! When I was younger all 3 of the were just some 4th division shite... sadly look at em now

 

[ben1987]

Football has changed and therefore the metrics for measuring how big a club is must have changed too. Which is something our neighbours struggle with.

It’s not just about how many show up on a Saturday and how big your stadium is anymore.

It’s about revenue, global brand, social media followers etc just as much as it is about the fans showing up. It’s a global thing and there are millions more fans watching games outside the UK not just in stadiums.

Millions can be made for football clubs now simply from social media viewership and the ad revenue that generates.

Like it or not Wrexham will be one of the most valuable clubs outside of the premier league these days and probably THE biggest pull to players. All down to that global brand they’ve built from nowhereZ

The likes of Paul Mullin and co are celebrities now and treated as such across America. Their options for making money outside of football now he’s left Wrexham or they approach retirement vastly exceeds what the likes of any of our players will likely have.

 

[TJ blade]

Football has changed and therefore the metrics for measuring how big a club is must have changed too. Which is something our neighbours struggle with.

It’s not just about how many show up on a Saturday and how big your stadium is anymore.

It’s about revenue, global brand, social media followers etc just as much as it is about the fans showing up. It’s a global thing and there are millions more fans watching games outside the UK not just in stadiums.

Millions can be made for football clubs now simply from social media viewership and the ad revenue that generates.

Like it or not Wrexham will be one of the most valuable clubs outside of the premier league these days and probably THE biggest pull to players. All down to that global brand they’ve built from nowhereZ

The likes of Paul Mullin and co are celebrities now and treated as such across America. Their options for making money outside of football now he’s left Wrexham or they approach retirement vastly exceeds what the likes of any of our players will likely have.

Oh dear if thats the case, and i firmly believe your spot on, after 60 odd years following the blades home and away, even though ive yet again renewed, maybe through my age its time to pack it all in, fck it ive had enough

 

[ben1987]

Oh dear if thats the case, and i firmly believe your spot on, after 60 odd years following the blades home and away, even though ive yet again renewed, maybe through my age its time to pack it all in, fck it ive had enough

I wish it wasn’t like that.

But a little over 22 million fans watch EFL games in person each year but it’s broadcast to over 400 million viewers. The fans showing up at the gates are a drop in the ocean to the overall viewership. The money match days generate is nothing compared to TV and sponsorship money to clubs with big global following.

In the early episodes of the Wrexham documentary they were apparently being paid about 50k an episode which was big money in non-league. They’re apparently being paid up to half a million for every episode now. There’s been nearly 50 episodes and more planned. That’s big money. I read that they were the 80th most watched sports team in America last season and regularly had 400-500k global viewers. That’s mad when they’re a tiny Welsh town in the arse end of nowhere and they’re being compared to big NFL, NBA and MLS

I remember Bayern Munichs president explaining why he froze their season ticket prices. He said something like it makes a big difference to the fans but to the club it’s a 2 minute negotiation when making a transfer.

 

[FriethBlade]

The main thing as far as Wrexham are concerned is when these Hollywood boys rode into town they were playing non league football and didnt own their own ramshackle ground. They are now in the upper echelons of the championship and own their own stadium which has been/is being massively renovated including new stands and they are known the world over.

If the film stars leave tomorrow the club will be in an infinitely better position than when they bought it and the fans will be forever grateful. Let's see if the same is true of our current US owners!!

 

[BrayfordsBushyBeard]

Hardly a like for like comparison !
As ever UTB !

 

[YES Blade]

I wish it wasn’t like that.

But a little over 22 million fans watch EFL games in person each year but it’s broadcast to over 400 million viewers. The fans showing up at the gates are a drop in the ocean to the overall viewership. The money match days generate is nothing compared to TV and sponsorship money to clubs with big global following.

In the early episodes of the Wrexham documentary they were apparently being paid about 50k an episode which was big money in non-league. They’re apparently being paid up to half a million for every episode now. There’s been nearly 50 episodes and more planned. That’s big money. I read that they were the 80th most watched sports team in America last season and regularly had 400-500k global viewers. That’s mad when they’re a tiny Welsh town in the arse end of nowhere and they’re being compared to big NFL, NBA and MLS

I remember Bayern Munichs president explaining why he froze their season ticket prices. He said something like it makes a big difference to the fans but to the club it’s a 2 minute negotiation when making a transfer.

Whilst I agree with everything you’ve just said, long term they’ll need a strategy beyond the documentary to sustain their current revenue.

I stopped watching the documentary a couple of seasons ago because it became boring. The episodes about the photographer that never went to matches and the Welsh Argentines felt like they were struggling to find stories beyond the football. So when it came down to it, it was just a Wrexham season summary.

So my point is, how long will the documentary continue? Maybe a good few years if they get promoted, but if they spend the next 2 or 3 years in the Championship it’ll be difficult to keep the documentary going.

Will the big sponsors continue once the exposure is limited to match days and televised matches? It’ll certainly be interesting to see how things develop over the next few years with them. I personally think promotion is critical for them these next couple of years, they risk stagnation without it.

 

[ben1987]

Whilst I agree with everything you’ve just said, long term they’ll need a strategy beyond the documentary to sustain their current revenue.

I stopped watching the documentary a couple of seasons ago because it became boring. The episodes about the photographer that never went to matches and the Welsh Argentines felt like they were struggling to find stories beyond the football. So when it came down to it, it was just a Wrexham season summary.

So my point is, how long will the documentary continue? Maybe a good few years if they get promoted, but if they spend the next 2 or 3 years in the Championship it’ll be difficult to keep the documentary going.

Will the big sponsors continue once the exposure is limited to match days and televised matches? It’ll certainly be interesting to see how things develop over the next few years with them. I personally think promotion is critical for them these next couple of years, they risk stagnation without it.

It may not last forever. I stopped watching it too. I’ve not watched the latest season cos they had a better season than us and I’m a bitter cunt.

By the time the documentary dies out and their popularity in America / globally dips they will have probably totally re built the stadium into a state of the art stadium with training facilities to match. If they manage to break the premier league and stay up then they’ll have won the financial lottery and they may not need the documentary and the American public to fund them. This might be a couple of years away. They’ll have picked up some supporters along the way that’ll stick with them beyond the popularity wave as well.

It may all fizzle out before they become a footballing superpower but they’ll be rich and successful beyond their wildest non-league dreams before it does in my opinion. I can’t see them dropping back out the championship now, not for a very long time at least.

The yanks embracing the World Cup will have helped pick up even more viewers for them too.

 

[bornablade]

Whilst I agree with everything you’ve just said, long term they’ll need a strategy beyond the documentary to sustain their current revenue.

I stopped watching the documentary a couple of seasons ago because it became boring. The episodes about the photographer that never went to matches and the Welsh Argentines felt like they were struggling to find stories beyond the football. So when it came down to it, it was just a Wrexham season summary.

So my point is, how long will the documentary continue? Maybe a good few years if they get promoted, but if they spend the next 2 or 3 years in the Championship it’ll be difficult to keep the documentary going.

Will the big sponsors continue once the exposure is limited to match days and televised matches? It’ll certainly be interesting to see how things develop over the next few years with them. I personally think promotion is critical for them these next couple of years, they risk stagnation without it.

It's been said on here a few times now

How are Bournemouth (considered a small club) coping with just a small fan base?

 

[Mojo]

Dont know why we are so obsessed with Wrexham, their fans are utter bellends but let's face it they are miles ahead of us right now

 

[Old Programme seller]

As soon as Disney drop their show then Wrexham will drop like a stone

 

[Servigliano]

It's been said on here a few times now

How are Bournemouth (considered a small club) coping with just a small fan base?

Might just be something to do with having a multi billionaire owher, 51% and who shows an active interest in running and watching the club. Also good and/or lucky with appointing managers.
American - just like our owner/s/committee/s but sadly there the comparison seemingly ends...
It ain't proper attending fans who generate a club's main income anymore.- that's why we're treated like dog++++.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Look, we’ve just got to put our bids in and hope for the best. If richer clubs are in for our targets so be it. But a team can only field 11 players at a time. We might be able to offer better first team prospects, whereas the likes of Wet Spam might just want them as squad players.

 

[YES Blade]

It's been said on here a few times now

How are Bournemouth (considered a small club) coping with just a small fan base?

That’s what I was going to say, they could potentially be a Bournemouth, but there is a long way to go to reach that point.

I’m just not convinced that the popularity in America will last. Ultimately the established European superpowers are going to attract the global fanbase and the novelty of Wrexham will wear off.

 

[Blade56]

 

[LBA_Blade]

The major problem for me is all the eggs in one basket, yes Souttar did a great job at BTDBL but if he gets injured we don’t have a back up, I would rather we have 2 CBs we are targeting, even if one is a loan deal to at least have cover. I am still in uncertain on Tanganga neither mind McGuinness

 

[Blades1971]

As soon as Disney drop their show then Wrexham will drop like a stone

Exactly. Biggest club in Wales. It's a joke. Once the Yanks have gone, so will Wrexham.
The ground is a dump. Typical old style 3rd or 4th division. You wait and see

 

[Nick Jansky]

The major problem for me is all the eggs in one basket, yes Souttar did a great job at BTDBL but if he gets injured we don’t have a back up, I would rather we have 2 CBs we are targeting, even if one is a loan deal to at least have cover. I am still in uncertain on Tanganga neither mind McGuinness

If we had a fit for purpose fitness and conditioning set up I would be far less nervous about it.

 

[Stretch]

The major problem for me is all the eggs in one basket, yes Souttar did a great job at BTDBL but if he gets injured we don’t have a back up, I would rather we have 2 CBs we are targeting, even if one is a loan deal to at least have cover. I am still in uncertain on Tanganga neither mind McGuinness

How do we know that we are putting all our eggs in one basket? There is a big difference between having a primary target and only having one target.

If, as most of us suspect, this doesn't come off, we are bound to have a 2nd, 3rd and even 4th choice ready to go, and we may even be well down the road with one or two of those anyway.

But until your main targets are completely out of reach, you keep trying imo.

 

[LBA_Blade]

How do we know that we are putting all our eggs in one basket? There is a big difference between having a primary target and only having one target.

If, as most of us suspect, this doesn't come off, we are bound to have a 2nd, 3rd and even 4th choice ready to go, and we may even be well down the road with one or two of those anyway.

But until your main targets are completely out of reach, you keep trying imo.

I am definitely not in the know or any of that but mainly on the basis of the local media suggesting we are targeting Sausar and with the value of him being in the £8-10 mill mark a club of our financial resources will struggle to get a decent number 2 as cover if we tied that deal down. I would hope we do have targets lined up but also on the flip side to that we have 3 weeks until the official start of the season to go with no real improvement on last season squad, if we think Baptiste can step up then great but if not could be a long season ahead

 

[Rodley]

The major problem for me is all the eggs in one basket, yes Souttar did a great job at BTDBL but if he gets injured we don’t have a back up, I would rather we have 2 CBs we are targeting, even if one is a loan deal to at least have cover. I am still in uncertain on Tanganga neither mind McGuinness

If we get both Souttars, that’s a solid back line!

 

[Stretch]

I am definitely not in the know or any of that but mainly on the basis of the local media suggesting we are targeting Sausar and with the value of him being in the £8-10 mill mark a club of our financial resources will struggle to get a decent number 2 as cover if we tied that deal down. I would hope we do have targets lined up but also on the flip side to that we have 3 weeks until the official start of the season to go with no real improvement on last season squad, if we think Baptiste can step up then great but if not could be a long season ahead

I am with you regarding timings. We usually seem a bit slow in transfer windows, not always but usually. So if this is a non starter, we need to know within the next week ideally and then move on quickly.

Finance wise, none of us really know what kind of a budget Chris has been given, but I would be surprised if we are spunking most of it on one player. We'll see.

In any case we need 2 x CBs, a LW and another CM imo. And that's before anyone decent leaves.

 

[Sithblade]

It's been said on here a few times now

How are Bournemouth (considered a small club) coping with just a small fan base?

They've had some excellent recruitment over the last few years and sold young players on for hundreds of millions. Who'd have thought Semenyo at Bristol City would go on to be such a good player?
If Kroupi Jr performs as he did last season he'll be going for over 60 million easily next summer, they signed him for 10 million. They certainly stepped up from when they were buying Mousset from France.
How long it lasts though will be the key, Southampton were similar 15 years ago with Liverpool then going on to poach Van Dijk, Lovren, Mane, Clyne and Ricky Lambert!

 

[elgoog44]

But what football benefit does 'world wide' (?) recognition bring to Wrexham - are Harry Kane, Mbappe and Haaland about to hammer at their door to sign on?

Money! simple as that extra money they can tap into that other clubs smaller or narratively bigger than them cannot tap into due to not having that exposure in markets only a few swim in.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

This thread has gone way off piste...

 

[pedro]

As soon as Disney drop their show then Wrexham will drop like a stone

Why would they?