Outgoing? Peck

[Blademan89]

He is the one asset that will fetch some decent money.

Not convinced he is as replaceable as people are thinking.
He rarely gives the ball away
Wins his battles in midfield
Anticipates where an opponent is going so he gets a block or a tackle in
He can move the ball quickly (when there are options)
He remains available for selection
Can last 90+ minutes
Can pick a pass
Has the energy to get the team moving
Has youth on his side and I very high ceiling
Already called up for England youth setups
Has a fantastic attitude
Is a reyt pig WUM

I suspect those people who are talking easy replacement don’t really take into account the inconsistency of youth or the poor quality he has had around him. Added to the constant changes in midfield partners for form, suspension, injuries.

We’ve all witnessed the dreadful first half performances recently when Peck has been on the bench and the improvement of the team when he comes on as a sub.

Easily replaceable?
What?
Matos?
Rothwell?
It won’t be as simple as that.

Assuming this was regarding my post, so ill nibble.

Do i like him - yes
Do i think hes a decent player - yes
Would i want him to go? - no, if we were in a position to keep him.

I am not as disheartened with peck leaving like I was Ndiaye or berge.

But he's probably our highest asset right now and that money can be used to improve the squad overall.

The money we would get, you can easily bring in a good box to box or upgrade, for example Leicester loaning James with an option for €5m to turn it permanent, whos the same age as peck, Grimes cost Coventry £4m? Swansea paid €2m for Franco......theres players out there that would cost less and easily replace peck.

 

[NordicHarry]

I'd get rid, thinks he's better than what he is and personally think we need a strong physical spine next season.

Don't get me wrong Peck has improved a lot since beginning of last season. But I doubt he's even in the top 10 CMs in the league, and he's certainly replaceable.

But then I seen people shout he's a 20mil+ player? We'd do well to get 15 for him and I'd certainly snatch any clubs hands off for that.

 

[Kenilworth]

Assuming this was regarding my post, so ill nibble.

Do i like him - yes
Do i think hes a decent player - yes
Would i want him to go? - no, if we were in a position to keep him.

I am not as disheartened with peck leaving like I was Ndiaye or berge.

But he's probably our highest asset right now and that money can be used to improve the squad overall.

The money we would get, you can easily bring in a good box to box or upgrade, for example Leicester loaning James with an option for €5m to turn it permanent, whos the same age as peck, Grimes cost Coventry £4m? Swansea paid €2m for Franco......theres players out there that would cost less and easily replace peck.

Agree with you.

 

[The Fox]

Selling Peck is a necessity not an option as is selling Harmer and possibly others.

In fact I dont think we'd turn down realistic offers for any player .

Its where we are and we may as well accept it .

 

[Balham]

He’s off I’m afraid. A rare ITK for me.

You don't need to be ITK to see that Peck won't be here next season. We just need to make sure the deal works for all parties.

 

[TJ blade]

He is miles away from premier league. If we get a premier league sized bid he's gone. I think a clever 3 million quid signing could add more than he does.

No problem with peck going, nowhere near a prem player, can't shoot, no pace! Could get better i suppose with good coaching, which we haven’t got, anybody comes in with silly money snatch there hands off.

 

[MayorOJC]

Good young player with a great attitude, but he's replaceable. Not an insult to Peck, he just plays a fairly common role that doesn't require any "specialist" skills. Much easier to find a midfield all rounder than a goalscorer or playmaker.

Would love De Keersmaecker from Oxford. Similar style of player but a bit more creative. Also good set piece taker, which would take some pressure off Hamer leaving.

 

[Balham]

Good young player with a great attitude, but he's replaceable. Not an insult to Peck, he just plays a fairly common role that doesn't require any "specialist" skills. Much easier to find a midfield all rounder than a goalscorer or playmaker.

Would love De Keersmaecker from Oxford. Similar style of player but a bit more creative. Also good set piece taker, which would take some pressure off Hamer leaving.

You say that but our biggest problem for years has been athleticism in central midfield. Peck has the stamina but his woefully slow to turn and he's not particularly quick. On top of that, the current evidence suggests that Wilder's plan is to use Riedewald and Rothwell which will make the whole thing worse.

The last 15 years has seen midfield pairings of:
2011/12 (4-4-2): McDonald & Doyle. A Rolls-Royce and a clogger. Season ended in a play off final defeat
2012/13 (4-4-2): McDonald & Doyle. A Rolls-Royce and a clogger. Season ended in a play off semi final defeat
2013/14 (4-4-2): Doyle & Coady. A clogger and a prospect who ended up at centre half. Season ended in mid-table.
2014/15 (4-4-1-1): Doyle & Basham: A clogger and a hero who ended up at centre half. Season ended in a play off semi final defeat
2015/16 (4-4-1-1): Basham & Hammond: A hero who ended up at centre half and the invisible man. Season ended in our lowest league finish in a generation.
2016/17 (3-4-1-2): Coutts & Fleck: a balanced duo who were able to set the tempo and control matches. Season ended in promotion.
2017/18 (3-4-1-2): Coutts (to Nov)/Evans/Leonard & Fleck: we were flying with the same dynamic duo but Coutts' injury stopped us going straight up. Season ended in mid-table
2018/19 (3-4-1-2): Norwood & Fleck: slight alteration to the style with Norwood's pragmatism and passing range replacing Coutts' movement and subtlety. Season ended in promotion
2019/20 (3-5-2): Lundstram/Berge, Norwood & Fleck: continuation of the previous season as the novel tactics propelled us to a strong PL finish. Season ended in mid-table.
2020/21 (3-5-2): Berge, Norwood & Fleck: post-Covid, the tactics were found out as teams targeted the lack of pace and movement in midfield. Season ended in disaster.
2021/22 (5-2-3): Norwood & Fleck/Osborn: cracks continued to appear, team carried by attacking trio (MGW, Ndiaye, Berge). Season ended in play off semi final defeat
2022/23 (5-2-3): Norwood & Doyle then Doyle & Fleck: we were stagnating until Hecky dropped the aging Norwood for Doyle*. Season ended in promotion
2023/24 (4-2-3-1): Norwood & Souza: lack of mobility ruthlessly exploited by quicker, stronger and better opposition players. Season ended in disaster
2024/25 (4-2-3-1): Souza & Arblaster then Peck: strong midfield for the level for the first time in 8 years. Season ended in a play off final defeat
2025/26 (4-4-2): Riedewald & Peck: lack of mobility across the team exacerbated the issues in central midfield. Season ended in disappointment.

*in the last 15 matches of 2022/23 Norwood started 8 (W2 D0 L5) and Doyle 10 (W8 D0 L2)

 

[MayorOJC]

You say that but our biggest problem for years has been athleticism in central midfield. Peck has the stamina but his woefully slow to turn and he's not particularly quick. On top of that, the current evidence suggests that Wilder's plan is to use Riedewald and Rothwell which will make the whole thing worse.

The last 15 years has seen midfield pairings of:
2011/12 (4-4-2): McDonald & Doyle. A Rolls-Royce and a clogger. Season ended in a play off final defeat
2012/13 (4-4-2): McDonald & Doyle. A Rolls-Royce and a clogger. Season ended in a play off semi final defeat
2013/14 (4-4-2): Doyle & Coady. A clogger and a prospect who ended up at centre half. Season ended in mid-table.
2014/15 (4-4-1-1): Doyle & Basham: A clogger and a hero who ended up at centre half. Season ended in a play off semi final defeat
2015/16 (4-4-1-1): Basham & Hammond: A hero who ended up at centre half and the invisible man. Season ended in our lowest league finish in a generation.
2016/17 (3-4-1-2): Coutts & Fleck: a balanced duo who were able to set the tempo and control matches. Season ended in promotion.
2017/18 (3-4-1-2): Coutts (to Nov)/Evans/Leonard & Fleck: we were flying with the same dynamic duo but Coutts' injury stopped us going straight up. Season ended in mid-table
2018/19 (3-4-1-2): Norwood & Fleck: slight alteration to the style with Norwood's pragmatism and passing range replacing Coutts' movement and subtlety. Season ended in promotion
2019/20 (3-5-2): Lundstram/Berge, Norwood & Fleck: continuation of the previous season as the novel tactics propelled us to a strong PL finish. Season ended in mid-table.
2020/21 (3-5-2): Berge, Norwood & Fleck: post-Covid, the tactics were found out as teams targeted the lack of pace and movement in midfield. Season ended in disaster.
2021/22 (5-2-3): Norwood & Fleck/Osborn: cracks continued to appear, team carried by attacking trio (MGW, Ndiaye, Berge). Season ended in play off semi final defeat
2022/23 (5-2-3): Norwood & Doyle then Doyle & Fleck: we were stagnating until Hecky dropped the aging Norwood for Doyle*. Season ended in promotion
2023/24 (4-2-3-1): Norwood & Souza: lack of mobility ruthlessly exploited by quicker, stronger and better opposition players. Season ended in disaster
2024/25 (4-2-3-1): Souza & Arblaster then Peck: strong midfield for the level for the first time in 8 years. Season ended in a play off final defeat
2025/26 (4-4-2): Riedewald & Peck: lack of mobility across the team exacerbated the issues in central midfield. Season ended in disappointment.

*in the last 15 matches of 2022/23 Norwood started 8 (W2 D0 L5) and Doyle 10 (W8 D0 L2)

Yeah I agree re: Riedewald and Rothwell. Would still like a proper Vini replacement as well as a more mobile playmaker. I like Riedewald but he's not a 'destroyer' in the way that Vini (and even players like Soumare) are.

 

[Balham]

Yeah I agree re: Riedewald and Rothwell. Would still like a proper Vini replacement as well as a more mobile playmaker. I like Riedewald but he's not a 'destroyer' in the way that Vini (and even players like Soumare) are.

Soumaré isn't in any sense a destroyer. He's a box to box, break the lines, progressive pass sort of midfielder.

 

[Bladesman]

No problem with peck going, nowhere near a prem player, can't shoot, no pace! Could get better i suppose with good coaching, which we haven’t got, anybody comes in with silly money snatch there hands off.

I have to agree, that isn't to say he won't do well in his career though.

 

[MayorOJC]

Soumaré isn't in any sense a destroyer. He's a box to box, break the lines, progressive pass sort of midfielder.

Would have to disagree with you there. He's in the top ten in the league for most metrics associated with a ball-winning, physical DM. He does like to carry, but that's pretty common in modern destroyers. Shame he's not great on the ball.

 

[Davalon]

I like Sydie and if he leaves, I hope does well.

Not that my opinion carries any weight, but I do think he'll need to improve in a few areas to maintain a PL place but he's got time to do that.

However, we'll need to cash in somewhere and whilst Sydie has more games under his belt at a higher level, Wilder did do well initially with the money from DCL, Brooks, Ramsdale, Adams.

Not as confident of that this time but

 

[brownblade]

Soumaré isn't in any sense a destroyer. He's a box to box, break the lines, progressive pass sort of midfielder.

I think he might destroy a few careers with some of his wild tackles.

 

[Balham]

Would have to disagree with you there. He's in the top ten in the league for most metrics associated with a ball-winning, physical DM. He does like to carry, but that's pretty common in modern destroyers. Shame he's not great on the ball.

Soumaré's OK on the ball but sometimes takes too long to think about what he's going to do, at which point he overruns it. I'd guess that he got a lot more time on the ball in Portugal. For me, his issues concentration and positional discipline.

 

[TJ blade]

I have to agree, that isn't to say he won't do well in his career though.

Maybe so

 

[AnstonBlade1]

We need a ball carrying midfielder some one who creates and dare to shoot not side to side and backwards.

 

[Bladesman]

I like Sydie and if he leaves, I hope does well.

Not that my opinion carries any weight, but I do think he'll need to improve in a few areas to maintain a PL place but he's got time to do that.

However, we'll need to cash in somewhere and whilst Sydie has more games under his belt at a higher level, Wilder did do well initially with the money from DCL, Brooks, Ramsdale, Adams.

Not as confident of that this time but

Thankfully Peck unlike Hamer has the "English player tax" which means he is worth double what he probably should be.

 

[chesblade]

Thought it was telling on Saturday in lap of appreciation. Both Sydie and Gus were together and last to come off the pitch

 

[Gin&Juice]

If he got a haircut, i’d keep him.

 

[Blade56]

Selling Peck is a necessity not an option as is selling Harmer and possibly others.

In fact I dont think we'd turn down realistic offers for any player .

Its where we are and we may as well accept it .

Totally agree, my concern is giving the funds generated to Wilder to spend on “older more experienced players”. Need to take his club bank card off him.

 

[Blade56]

he's certainly replaceable.

Problem is we can’t spend all the income on a replacement, it will be a cheaper option so monies can be spent on other positions as well. Just keep Wilder away from ‘t munneh

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Soumaré's OK on the ball but sometimes takes too long to think about what he's going to do, at which point he overruns it. I'd guess that he got a lot more time on the ball in Portugal. For me, his issues concentration and positional discipline.

Didn’t look outstanding in the u23 game yesterday. Make of that what you will

 

[Gin&Juice]

Thought it was telling on Saturday in lap of appreciation. Both Sydie and Gus were together and last to come off the pitch

It’s always the lap of honour bodylanguage. Every season.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Would have to disagree with you there. He's in the top ten in the league for most metrics associated with a ball-winning, physical DM. He does like to carry, but that's pretty common in modern destroyers. Shame he's not great on the ball.

He has shown signs of being an excellent passer of the ball, and he runs with it well. The main issues with him are positioning, inconsistency and lack of composure. All things that can improve with age & coaching.

 

[bertieblade]

He has shown signs of being an excellent passer of the ball, and he runs with it well. The main issues with him are positioning, inconsistency and lack of composure. All things that can improve with age & coaching.

I agree and would sign him up if we can rip up the initial agreement and sign him for £1 million, but feel Wilder has written him off as he prefers players who are already up to speed even though they are over the hill.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I agree and would sign him up if we can rip up the initial agreement and sign him for £1 million, but feel Wilder has written him off as he prefers players who are already up to speed even though they are over the hill.

I’m also pretty sure he doesn’t drink.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I agree and would sign him up if we can rip up the initial agreement and sign him for £1 million, but feel Wilder has written him off as he prefers players who are already up to speed even though they are over the hill.

I suspect the fee that was agreed if we go up is well out of our budget and there's no point playing a guy going back in the summer ahead of our own players for a few weeks

 

[Champagneblade]

You don't need to be ITK to see that Peck won't be here next season. We just need to make sure the deal works for all parties.

Working for just one party will do!

 

[KMC-1889]

Soumaré's OK on the ball but sometimes takes too long to think about what he's going to do, at which point he overruns it. I'd guess that he got a lot more time on the ball in Portugal. For me, his issues concentration and positional discipline.

It’s why I’d like to keep him. It’s a cliche now but it does take time to adjust to the pace of the English game. There’s definitely a player in there somewhere if we had the coaching staff to develop.

I’d be interested to know how he was identified because it was really left field compared to our other signings.