Wilder presser

[luffenhamblade]

He did his best ever work for us without a notable budget, wheeling and dealing on the back of a couple of big sales along the way. Like you say, when he has cash to spend, he doesn't always get it right.

Bodes well for next season

 

[calcalcal]

Wilder persists with giving burrows 90 when the lad cannot defend. Hes great going forward but hjelde has been fine when hes played, just give an actual defensive person a chance to do some defending. Then we might keep a lead

 

[blades_95]

The regression had a lot to do with McCallum’s injury followed by Wilder bringing in Hjelde and then deciding that he didn’t trust him.

McCallum’s been a bright spot this season - should be nailed on first choice LB next year.

 

[Yoonitedite]

I think he just wants the season to end so he can ditch half the squad and bring in more accomplished players and have a good pre season, which he indicated is already programmed .
His ability as a Championship manager will be tested in the next 6 months.

His ability to choose a captain with proper leadership qualities will be tested.
I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Bladesman]

Im a Wilder fan but this made me laugh..

I bet he ends up saying similar about Hjelde as well.

A player who would have likely helped us on Friday see out the match rather than watch Burrows struggle to take the skin off a rice pudding attempting to defend.

 

[ATL Recs]

I thought the re build he did after the last relegation was one of his best ever achievements, considering how mentally destroyed that team was. But arguably this summer is his biggest challenge yet. Presumably his budget will be significantly reduced, and it's a near certainty we are going to lose some of our most talented players to fund incomings. Hamer being a case in point. Despite the howling miss, we saw the absolute best of what he can do yesterday. Players like him are not easily replaced.

He did have the third biggest budget in the division so achieved what he should have - he won’t have that this summer

 

[Houston_Blade]

The regression had a lot to do with McCallum’s injury followed by Wilder bringing in Hjelde and then deciding that he didn’t trust him.

It’s a bit like the Holding situation last season.

Obviously Wilder sees them train and knows what they’re like, but it seems strange that we have a ready made defensive LB and we’re not using him to see games out.

 

[Blademan89]

Bur

It’s a bit like the Holding situation last season.

Obviously Wilder sees them train and knows what they’re like, but it seems strange that we have a ready made defensive LB and we’re not using him to see games out.

Even if Holding wasnt training much when he came last season or putting effort it, when he played you could see he was levels about Robbo.

I dont even think it was about match fitness either, he played a 85 min game? And he was pretty much excellent (without showing signs of struggling). Just strange from wilder to stick with his mate and his pet at the time.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

I've not watched a Wilder post match interview in ages, is it still "fine margins" separating us?!

 

[TJ blade]

I've not watched a Wilder post match interview in ages, is it still "fine margins" separating us?!

Your not missing a thing pal, regarding his post match interviews, somebody else's fault apparently

 

[reedy63]

blade 95
You think the narrative of blaming selles and the board a bit lazy and convenient, that is the most stupid comment I have heard on here.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

The regression had a lot to do with McCallum’s injury followed by Wilder bringing in Hjelde and then deciding that he didn’t trust him.

I thought at the time that his injury would have a negative effect on our performances and this has proved to be the case.

Prior to him getting it , I thought he had a number of excellent games and had really settled in to his role , both defensively and going forward.

The return of Burrows has brought about the situation we have come to expect from him - a few good moments in most games coupled with a propensity for giving his opposing wingers acres of space to work in and a lack of ability to put in good blocks or tackles .

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Why is Zatterstrom getting lumped in with all the crap players?

I can't recall him playing a game.

It might be a circular argument of course, as if he was any good he'd be playing. but let's not condemn him before we've even seen him play.

 

[Keen Blade]

Yes he may think that inwardly (as most of us do) but he's basically said he doesn't rate 2/3rds of the squad or consider them even good enough to even hold a 3-1 lead v an average Swansea side.

Said they aren't good enough.

Not sure that's great man management myself?

He now has to try and move most of them on but be a hard task.

We have a hugely bloated squad currently but have accumulated some absolute garbage.

The loans will go back, Hoever, Bindon, Hjelde, Ogbene, Phillips, Soumare = 6

He will lose out of contract players...Davies x 2, Mee, Riedewald, Ings = 5

So 11 off the books

Leaving us around 28-30 players including youngsters.

You'd expect Hamer and one or two of Brooks/Peck/Seriki to go.

Meaning we have around 25 left including Faxon, Baptiste, Blacker, Marsh & One (5 young players) but over half of the remainder 20 are absolute dross and he needs to somehow offload a large number of the below.

Grbic, Shackleton, Norrington Davies, Curtis, Zatterstrom, McGuiness, Matos, Chong, Ukaki, Nwachukwu, Rothwell, Cannon/Campbell = 12

All under contract. Least half on longer than a year more!

He will do well to find takers for even half of them.

We aren't going to have much wriggle room at all and will have to be very creative.

Assuming Cooper, Seriki, Burrows, McCallum, Blaster, maybe one of Peck/Brooks, O Hare, Bamford, Cannon or Campbell remain = that is around 8-9 players.

It really does show you how much work needs to be done.

Dear God the names in there make me shudder.
Seven years of PL or Parachutes and that's what we've got ?
And a field in Dore.
And virtually no profit on any players we've sold.
But of course , in order to trade players successfully , you have to buy them when they're on their upward trajectory.
Not on their way down.
And don't be too reliant on old farts on big salaries.
My goodness , this last seven years has been just about the biggest wasted opportunity in my 60 years a Blade.
We've had the £ and thrown it away.

And there are fans who question whether a change of regime & structure is necessary.
Just incredible.

 

[Keen Blade]

Why is Zatterstrom getting lumped in with all the crap players?

I can't recall him playing a game.

It might be a circular argument of course, as if he was any good he'd be playing. but let's not condemn him before we've even seen him play.

I thought we'd sold him ?

 

[54yrblade]

I've not watched a Wilder post match interview in ages, is it still "fine margins" separating us?!

His deep nasal breath in, zip's up the tracky top and stares the interviewer out.

'Games of football'
'The football club'
'It's not the tactics'
'It's individual errors'

'Not me Guv'

Rinse and repeat. Just like his team.

 

[UddersBlade]

Dear God the names in there make me shudder.
Seven years of PL or Parachutes and that's what we've got ?
And a field in Dore.
And virtually no profit on any players we've sold.
But of course , in order to trade players successfully , you have to buy them when they're on their upward trajectory.
Not on their way down.
And don't be too reliant on old farts on big salaries.
My goodness , this last seven years has been just about the biggest wasted opportunity in my 60 years a Blade.
We've had the £ and thrown it away.

And there are fans who question whether a change of regime & structure is necessary.
Just incredible.

Great post…. Yeah our legacy for circa £500 million is a field in Dore, pitch upgrades at the trg ground, new perimeter ad boards, a big ad board outside the ground, hotel reopening & a fanzone…….. hardly a good return on £500 million. We have wasted so much.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

I thought we'd sold him ?

We're both right. He's on loan to Genoa with an option to buy.

And according to Wiki he's never played a game.

Watch him be the next Van Dijk............

 

[Houston_Blade]

Dear God the names in there make me shudder.
Seven years of PL or Parachutes and that's what we've got ?
And a field in Dore.
And virtually no profit on any players we've sold.
But of course , in order to trade players successfully , you have to buy them when they're on their upward trajectory.
Not on their way down.
And don't be too reliant on old farts on big salaries.
My goodness , this last seven years has been just about the biggest wasted opportunity in my 60 years a Blade.
We've had the £ and thrown it away.

And there are fans who question whether a change of regime & structure is necessary.
Just incredible.

The assertion that the additional revenue we had in the PL is just ‘free cash’ still amazes me.

The wage bill at least doubles as a result of promotion, that’s most of the £100m spoken for already. Then you have to buy better players to play there. That’s the rest gone.

We didn’t have oodles of spare cash sat around.

The only criticism from me is that we spent the additional revenue on wages and transfer fees on players who didn’t give us a chance of staying up (first Wilder PL season aside).

The replacement of the whole infrastructure of the club needs more than a season or 2 in the PL to fund it.

 

[Champagneblade]

I don’t think you can seriously say Kalvin Phillips, Hoever (needed), Hjelde (needed) and Rothwell were anywhere near as bad as Matos, McGuinness, Ogbene, Chong, Zatterstrom, Mee, Ings, Godfrey and Barry.

Also ignoring that the best two signings this season (Bamford and Jairo) were made outside the transfer window. Because of this neither came match fit but still significantly improved our first 11 for an hour each match.

I dread to think where we’d be without Wilder. And look at last pre-season for an example as the board sacked him as many fans wanted despite the team earning 92 points.

It’s time we learnt some humility and accepted he is improving us, just slower than we hoped. But from his interviews I think he’s seeing the same things we are.

Hjelde must have made a great impression.

Didnt he state “there is nobody putting any pressure on Harrison”?

 

[Champagneblade]

The assertion that the additional revenue we had in the PL is just ‘free cash’ still amazes me.

The wage bill at least doubles as a result of promotion, that’s most of the £100m spoken for already. Then you have to buy better players to play there. That’s the rest gone.

We didn’t have oodles of spare cash sat around.

The only criticism from me is that we spent the additional revenue on wages and transfer fees on players who didn’t give us a chance of staying up (first Wilder PL season aside).

The replacement of the whole infrastructure of the club needs more than a season or 2 in the PL to fund it.

It’s one of those managerial gambles you make with someone else’s money.

He probably felt if Phillips hit the ground running then he could have been the catalyst to gate crash the play offs.

Probably a reason I want managers to be given more time as well. When Wilder has 500k less or whatever it cost, to build his squad this summer, he can lament it’s because he made choices for which he’s now forced to own the outcome.

He buggers off and the club are forcing some other manager to own that outcome or asking the oars to own it by putting more into the pot.

 

[Bladesince59]

I'm not worried whoever he gets rid of! There mostly crap anyway!!

He can bin 90% of them for me and go with them

 

[Bell4]

It’s a bit like the Holding situation last season.

Obviously Wilder sees them train and knows what they’re like, but it seems strange that we have a ready made defensive LB and we’re not using him to see games out.

Agree

It’s as if he’s doing it on purpose

 

[Roygbiv]

We're both right. He's on loan to Genoa with an option to buy.

And according to Wiki he's never played a game.

Watch him be the next Van Dijk............

He's played 1 minute for Genoa.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It’s one of those managerial gambles you make with someone else’s money.

He probably felt if Phillips hit the ground running then he could have been the catalyst to gate crash the play offs.

Probably a reason I want managers to be given more time as well. When Wilder has 500k less or whatever it cost, to build his squad this summer, he can lament it’s because he made choices for which he’s now forced to own the outcome.

He buggers off and the club are forcing some other manager to own that outcome or asking the oars to own it by putting more into the pot.

I’m not really talking about Phillips. It’s more about the money wasted when going up and then when in the PL on the likes of Brewster among others. McBurnie got us to the PL the 2nd time around but was never going a player to keep us there. Berge is fine as a holding player in a team with good players around him, but we needed him to be a Norwood replacement as well as a Lundstram replacement.

Wilder undid a lot of the good work in getting us to the PL on the cheap by wasting money when we got there.

 

[Wards]

Watch him be the next Van Dijk............

Certainly not the view from within the club I think they think he's probably more Dick Van Dyke than Virgil.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

He's played 1 minute for Genoa.

Lol

Reckon he's coming back then, don't you??

 

[Keen Blade]

The assertion that the additional revenue we had in the PL is just ‘free cash’ still amazes me.

The wage bill at least doubles as a result of promotion, that’s most of the £100m spoken for already. Then you have to buy better players to play there. That’s the rest gone.

We didn’t have oodles of spare cash sat around.

The only criticism from me is that we spent the additional revenue on wages and transfer fees on players who didn’t give us a chance of staying up (first Wilder PL season aside).

The replacement of the whole infrastructure of the club needs more than a season or 2 in the PL to fund it.

My complaint doesn't imply that any of the cash was "spare & sitting about".
My complaint is almost exactly the same as yours.
It was used very poorly.
On transfer fees for players who mainly lost value and in some cases their entire value.
Look at McBurnie , Brewster , Mousset just as 3 examples of spending big and recouping zero.
The very antithesis of the profitable "player-trading" model.
Then there's the expensive loans which in no way help our finances.
And the sheer lack of buying players who are on their upward trajectory , whether we keep them or trade them.
A catalogue of poor performance with the opportunity which had been so well-earned by Wilder 2016-20.
With a terrible piece of bad luck in JoC.
And the lack of a replacement.

 

[Champagneblade]

I’m not really talking about Phillips. It’s more about the money wasted when going up and then when in the PL on the likes of Brewster among others. McBurnie got us to the PL the 2nd time around but was never going a player to keep us there. Berge is fine as a holding player in a team with good players around him, but we needed him to be a Norwood replacement as well as a Lundstram replacement.

Wilder undid a lot of the good work in getting us to the PL on the cheap by wasting money when we got there.

I tend to think on both occasions we got promoted we made some fundamental errors in prioritising positions as much as the personnel themselves.

Given the known issues with O’Connell, getting a replacement for him that could also cover Egan seemed a priority. It wasn’t worth chancing.

McGoldrick looked decent even if he wasn’t prolific. So we only needed a rotation of strikers and I thought O’Connell’s spot was far more important for how we played.

The second big spend was on the keeper. Instead of lavishing so much on Ramsdale, there would have been reasonable loan options available at the time. This would have allowed us to strengthen midfield more, especially given Lundstram had not shown willingness to extend his deal. We should have also done more to push him out the door.

Then when Hecky got us up, yes we lost Ndiaye and Berge and to me we should have forgotten about playing two forwards. It would have seemed a good option to play McAtee just off McBurnie and had a more robust midfield. Clearly we should not have expected McAtee in a midfield being so open. Souza was acceptable but then a more robust midfield was needed. If we really were going for Hamer we needed another defensive minded player and we didn’t go for one, instead having punts on the likes of Slimane. It seems the recruitment team were woefully under qualified.

 

[SE1Blade]

Hjelde must have made a great impression.

Didnt he state “there is nobody putting any pressure on Harrison”?

Hjjelde is a centre back who can cover left back, as opposed to a natural left back.
If I recall mcallum got injured just before the deadline so options to replace him would have been limited. I think hjelde is fine as cover.

It seems today he’s playing as the left centre of a three rather than a replacement for Burrows, as he is starting.

I’m glad he’s going 532, regardless of result as I think it would suit seriki and burrows. We just need a dominant centre half and fitter midfielders in order to play it effectively.