Get Wilder gone and stop the delusion.

[Oreyt]

We can't stick with wilder for ever. He seems to be saying in interviews that the next manager also needs to be an exblade and "get the club." Did Lampard ever have any past connections with Coventry?

Can anyone genuinely explain what "Gets the club" means? Like, technically?

 

[mattbianco1]

I'd only want him gone if I could think of any manager I'd want to replace him.

All of the ones I'd likely want are already in a job. We also need to get the setup at the club right to allow someone new to thrive.

I had this conversation yesterday. I said I wouldn't be bothered if he went and that as a club we need to move on from him.

I was challenged with the "go on then, who replaces him"... And I don't have that answer.

I also don't think we would have been relegated with Selles in charge... We wouldn't have climbed this far clear, but still wouldn't have gone down.

(I'm not saying we should have stuck with him BTW)

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Can anyone genuinely explain what "Gets the club" means? Like, technically?

Getting pissed up and making obscure references to players from the late 80s like Wilf Rostron.

 

[Danetheblade]

I had this conversation yesterday. I said I wouldn't be bothered if he went and that as a club we need to move on from him.

I was challenged with the "go on then, who replaces him"... And I don't have that answer.

I also don't think we would have been relegated with Selles in charge... We wouldn't have climbed this far clear, but still wouldn't have gone down.

(I'm not saying we should have stuck with him BTW)

I equally couldn’t give you a definitive option id pick. However I’d opt for whoever interviews and presents the best, we can’t continue with fag packet, down the nags head levels of professionalism.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

The events of last summer may well have made the owners more risk averse. With that in mind, I think they will keep Wilder.

Whatever our opinions are, after the disastrous start to the season the remit was met. We might or not agree with the methodology ( I don’t for sure) but we are still in the division.

Whilst I’d prefer to see a manager change at the end of the season, that on its own isn’t going to solve the problem. There are wider issues at the club that also need addressing, issues with the infrastructure that need addressing. We can’t keep going with the parochial “it’ll do” attitude, patching metaphorical potholes when what’s really needed is a new road.

But I fear I am just shouting at traffic, and it’s becoming pretty tiresome. Like a marriage that you keep going “just because” rather than admitting it just isn’t the same.

Football has always been my release from whatever the stresses and strains of life are. These days, not so much

Potholes you say, new road you say.
I know an expert on Potholes if only he could tear himself away from blowing smoke up Wednesday fans backsides for 5 min.

 

[skegblade]

Just watched the post match comments he said that is my bestvteam out their .. no ones pushing for places
Well if thays it the management should be having a word with themseves you havrnt made it in a mid tabke championship team as a squad player
Things need to change rapidly

 

[Nick Jansky]

Just watched the post match comments he said that is my bestvteam out their .. no ones pushing for places
Well if thays it the management should be having a word with themseves you havrnt made it in a mid tabke championship team as a squad player
Things need to change rapidly

Only three of the nine players on the bench yesterday weren’t players signed by Wilder. He says they don’t deserve to play. Why’s that?

 

[Maidenhead]

No wins in the last five despite having taken the lead in four of them tells us everything we need to know about this squad and management.

Physically and mentally weak so it's time to clear the decks and start again.

I'm usually a great advocate for evolution over revolution but this management and squad are evolving at the rate of dinosaurs and are heading towards the same ultimate fate.

We need new new management, a new direction, and more than a few new players.

I'd settle for a similar league finish next season if we can see a change of direction and signs of a brighter future on the horizon.

At the moment I just see more of the same and a sinking ship.

 

[Oreyt]

Getting pissed up and making obscure references to players from the late 80s like Wilf Rostron.

Yeah, pretty much what I thought it was.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Such a depressing mentality but sadly too many fans perpetuate it.

You just know that loads would rather Billy Sharp take over in the summer rather than an experienced Championship manager with no connection to the club.

Awful performance yesterday but this post is just clickbait to resurrect the farcical pro Wilder = can’t live without him and just want Billy next vs the ardent Wilder haters - completely and conveniently forgetting the vast majority of fans who are in between.

 

[luffenhamblade]

I equally couldn’t give you a definitive option id pick. However I’d opt for whoever interviews and presents the best, we can’t continue with fag packet, down the nags head levels of professionalism.

Would you trust our Masters to do the interview?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Would you trust our Masters to do the interview?

They don’t interview managers. I read it on here.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Would you trust our Masters to do the interview?

No, but I would expect them to have learned from last time and engage someone to oversee the selection and interview process next time around.

 

[Danetheblade]

Would you trust our Masters to do the interview?

I mean, not really.. But I'd hope they've learnt from their previous fuck up,

 

[luffenhamblade]

I mean, not really.. But I'd hope they've learnt from their previous fuck up,

Yep, lots of hope but not sure how much confidence!

 

[Tom Bott]

Only three of the nine players on the bench yesterday weren’t players signed by Wilder. He says they don’t deserve to play. Why’s that?

Possibly for the same reason that Tommy Doyle, Cameron Archer, Ben Brereton Diaz and James McAtee and hundreds of others have failed to achieve any significant level of greatness under different managers.

One exception is Illiman Ndiaye who has the drive and desire to be the best he can and both he and his father push for better.
Not all players have the ability to reach a higher ceiling, let alone the desire to raise themselves above the comfortable £10/20 thousand a week they have already ascended to.

If it takes an extra 2/3 hours work per day to become an Illiman as opposed to a McAtee then not all players have that work ethos, no matter who the manager is.

Remember Leon Clarke's descent into obscurity after we gave him a new improved contract, was that somehow Wilders doing?
Or was Leon now more focussed on which leather interior for his new Bentley rather than spending an extra 2 hours in the gym.

 

[Keen Blade]

Such a depressing mentality but sadly too many fans perpetuate it.

You just know that loads would rather Billy Sharp take over in the summer rather than an experienced Championship manager with no connection to the club.

Listening to Rosen in the fanzine , my heart sank.
He's fallen hook , line & sinker fot

Can anyone genuinely explain what "Gets the club" means? Like, technically?

You can be crap at your job and come out with drivel in interviews as long as you keep beating the badge.
And this is what the owners have fallen for coz they started off ignorant , mucked up big style and now cling tightly to a regime which they believe the fans will always love.
When I heard Rosen mention Billy Sharp being the heir to Wilder's throne , despite having no previous management experience , my heart sank through my boots.
Not coz I don't love Billy Sharp , you only have to look at my avatar to know he's a hero of mine.
But this small-town attitude of "only ex-Blades can succeed here" is not only ill-founded , but also inhibits progress.

 

[FriethBlade]

Reading a piece on Simeone at Atletico and the views of some of their fans are remarkably similar to our current position.

"I love him and I cherish those beautiful memories that he created and will always appreciate everything that he has done for us. But I sometimes feel that the best for both would be to move on,Myela describes his feelings towards Simeone as being like a "toxic relationship".

"The Simeone of 2026 is not the same guy who came to the club 16 years ago. A lot of coaches from other teams have already 'cracked his code' when it comes to football tactics, and his approach is not as innovative or efficient as it used to be."

'Those fans who have said he should leave over the past few years are a bit short-sighted. Simeone deserves to stay as long as he wants and he deserves to decide when he wants to leave himself. I would love him to stay beyond 2027."

Difference is Atletico have won a number of domestic and European trophies.

 

[Bladesman]

Only three of the nine players on the bench yesterday weren’t players signed by Wilder. He says they don’t deserve to play. Why’s that?

I think Wilder has an issue with a few of the players he has signed as well.

 

[Youngand70]

Betti's said - in terms - in radio interview - that the club would not have a DoF.
Why ?
Is that him talking or the owners ?
A Director is a Director , just like him.
Equal status.
Why should a DoF report to Bettis and not the Board ?
Have I missed something about the title 'Director' ?
If so , please enlighten me.

My own take from what Bettis said is that the club would continue with one single Board member in UK (himself) and an old-style Manager (his mate Wilder).
Ie: whether it needs it or not , me & Chris are here to stay.
No change of structure.
Even if the daft owners appoint a head coach , he won't last long without a DoF who's got more football experience than me , so Chris & me have jobs for life.

Bettis said the same NO to a Director of Football with Abdullah as owner just has he has under COH. Bettis has no experience of a well run top level football club just the same as his Saudi pal. His football CV includes Sheffield United Sheffield United and Sheffield United. He is an integral part of the Jurassic Park "cabal" set up at our club. Funnily enough "Steven" not all clubs with a Director of Football/Sporting Director/Technical Director are successful but all successful, well run and forward thinking clubs do have one or more of the 3. But of course you and your "font of all knowledge" buddies know better.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Possibly for the same reason that Tommy Doyle, Cameron Archer, Ben Brereton Diaz and James McAtee and hundreds of others have failed to achieve any significant level of greatness under different managers.

One exception is Illiman Ndiaye who has the drive and desire to be the best he can and both he and his father push for better.
Not all players have the ability to reach a higher ceiling, let alone the desire to raise themselves above the comfortable £10/20 thousand a week they have already ascended to.

If it takes an extra 2/3 hours work per day to become an Illiman as opposed to a McAtee then not all players have that work ethos, no matter who the manager is.

Remember Leon Clarke's descent into obscurity after we gave him a new improved contract, was that somehow Wilders doing?
Or was Leon now more focussed on which leather interior for his new Bentley rather than spending an extra 2 hours in the gym.

So I guess all the talk about being able to recognise character is just bullshit then.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Yep, a complete restructure off the pitch to maintain a Head Coach Culture. Just look how high Watford are flying with the same. No, not Watford, I mean.... Portsmouth! Yes that's it, Portsmouth. No, not Portsmouth, that other team with the head coach and the fancy back room staff, er... Swansea! No, er.... Leicester? Blackburn? Anyway, Yeah, worldbeaters, head coaches, whoo whoo, let's go HC's..

I'll give you a pass based on the time of the post and the fact you're probably rather worse for wear.

For every failure that you've listed I could name probably 2 that have been a success with a modern structure but let's just keep going down the "Bladey Bladey" route shall we as that's been soooo successful recently.

 

[KMC-1889]

Yeah Hecky had a good team but also showed excellent leadership to keep them all focused when the owner was farting about reneging on transfer fees, not paying suppliers etc. Folk shouldn’t knock that promotion season and he oversaw it.

Also ignores the genuine injury crisis he had at one point which saw Osborn playing at right back for a fair chunk of the season.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Also ignores the genuine injury crisis he had at one point which saw Osborn playing at right back for a fair chunk of the season.

Yep, he did ok but nothing to write home about.

 

[KMC-1889]

Yep, he did ok but nothing to write home about.

Managed what Wilder & Slav couldn’t

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

I think there's a wider point. If you look at the managers that have got a tune out of us in the modern era, you're pretty talking about Wilder, Warnock and Basset - all managers cut from the same cloth.
We've tried international managers, ex England captains, famous players - and all that sophistication has got us pretty much nowhere.
Why? What is it about the culture of SUFC from the board room right down to the Shoreham End that means only muck and bullets managers succeed here?
Until we answer that there's no point replacing Wilder unless you have your eye on Sean Dyche or Fat Sam.

Ever heard of Howard Kendall?

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Agreed I think another factor on that is cost, not saying this is the money paid out but makes it easier to explain. If you had £100 for your management, you could spend the full £100 and get a DoF for £70 and a fresh thinking head coach for £30. Or you could get an “old school manager” for £75 saving you £25, which is the option we are stuck with.

Although I appreciate this is another elite level when you look at Chelsea they have a Director of performance who looks after the fitness requirements for the club that they have from academy through to first team, including sprinting coaches, sports science and data analytics etc along with a host of others. Unless we stuck Wilder up into DoF post and promoted one of the current assistant coaches into the head coach role, it wouldn’t be possible without investment.

It still amazes me how many people on here parrot the line that Bettis doesn't want a DOF as his job would be at risk.

FFS the DOF would report into Bettis so Bettis would be his boss.

It just might take the workload off some people and make us not too reliant on one man in the medium to long term.

Bettis doesn’t want a DoF because he’s already done a power grab as COH go into their shells and is acting as a DoF despite not having any qualifications to do the job. We’re left with a feckin accountant making football decisions whilst at the same time protecting his pal Wilder.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Such a depressing mentality but sadly too many fans perpetuate it.

You just know that loads would rather Billy Sharp take over in the summer rather than an experienced Championship manager with no connection to the club.

Yep. Boys club keeping the status quo and it’ll keep repeating until COH get rid of Wilder & Bettis

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Ever heard of Howard Kendall?

Yup - I was also on the Kop he led is to the Play Off final against Palace. Never saw him get us promoted though.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Yup - I was also on the Kop he led is to the Play Off final against Palace. Never saw him get us promoted though.

Do you not think that horrific board had anything to do with that?