Lost for words & disillusioned

[AdamSufc1997]

Unpopular but if we had slav under this ownership we may have had a completely different sheffield united

 

[Steve Mackan]

They played fine until the equaliser. I’m surprised at the complete lack of resilience.

It wasn't just fine - it was really good.

 

[Steve Mackan]

Doesnt matter the manager, we'll keep getting the same result.

Sack wilder, sack the next manager, then the next one and the next one, do it 5 times in one season, you'll get the same result with the same players.

You have to be realistic with team we have and the start of the season that had to be endured.

We will have to sell next season due to no parachute payments, the standard of player will be less, a new manager less to work with, and probably the same league position as this season - brace yourselves.

I don't feel quite as negatively as this, but I share your assessment of the situation: "you'll get the same result with the same [or at least, similar quality] players."

And that's why I don't really understand the negativity towards Wilder right now. The premature end of our season in March is self-induced situation, as it was in the Prem under Hecky. The identity of the manager doesn't have an HUGE influence on our league position - what matters is how we've lost a quality advantage (players) and a financial advantage (parachute payments) because consecutive owners have no clue.

Wilder has more of a clue and owners (Prince and COH) have given him the reins; hence why he does better and why we need him. This has been the enduring motif of Sheffield United in the 21st century: clueless people running the club and eventually getting lucky with Warnock, Wilder and Heckingbottom. Managers are only temporary solutions; it's the decision-making spiral I'm sick of, and I don't understand why people are obsessing over dropping points from winning positions when we're just going through the old same cycle.

 

[nopigfansintown]

As soon as it goes to 1-1 there was only one outcome.

You could see what was happening and then the subs due to the lack of fitness confirm the result.

*As soon as we get to 60 minutes only 1-0 up.

Fans that understand the basics of sports science have won a lot of in play money on United this season.Throwing a bomb here, but I actually credit the players for holding on to so many results this season. We've overachieved in that respect imo. Any game we aren't at least 2-0 up in going into the second half and achieve a result from I class as a big achievement.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I don't feel quite as negatively as this, but I share your assessment of the situation: "you'll get the same result with the same [or at least, similar quality] players."

And that's why I don't really understand the negativity towards Wilder right now. The premature end of our season in March is self-induced situation, as it was in the Prem under Hecky. The identity of the manager doesn't have an HUGE influence on our league position - what matters is how we've lost a quality advantage (players) and a financial advantage (parachute payments) because consecutive owners have no clue.

Wilder has more of a clue and owners (Prince and COH) have given him the reins; hence why he does better and why we need him. This has been the enduring motif of Sheffield United in the 21st century: clueless people running the club and eventually getting lucky with Warnock, Wilder and Heckingbottom. Managers are only temporary solutions; it's the decision-making spiral I'm sick of, and I don't understand why people are obsessing over dropping points from winning positions when we're just going through the old same cycle.

Yep, the waste of money will have us hamstrung for years. Matos, Mcguinness, Chong, Tanganga on big fees and big wages that need paying. We'd struggle to give them away bar Tang who might recoup a couple of million
To add to that Cannon and the surgeries required by Arblaster and Cooper that might see them never return to previous levels (jury out on both for me) .On a brighter note fitness should improve and we might get the old Campbell back. He'll struggle to be as bad as this season. We'll also get rid of a few crocks.

 

[UddersBlade]

Yep, the waste of money will have us hamstrung for years. Matos, Mcguinness, Chong, Tanganga on big fees and big wages that need paying. We'd struggle to give them away bar Tang who might recoup a couple of million
To add to that Cannon and the surgeries required by Arblaster and Cooper that might see them never return to previous levels (jury out on both for me) .On a brighter note fitness should improve and we might get the old Campbell back. He'll struggle to be as bad as this season. We'll also get rid of a few crocks.

24th May, 2025 - 76 mins into that Play Off Final will go down as the biggest 'sliding doors' moment in modern history for this club. 15 mins from £200 million in the Premier League and we blew it. The subsequent decision making by COH simply made that moment far worse - not necessarily to get rid of Chris Wilder - but more so to appoint Selles without any idea / plan how to structure the club going forward. That equalled a shambolic pre-season / chaotic and largely appalling transfer window and consequently wasted our last £30 million parachute money.

Spring forward to now... having not surprisingly failed to go up this season - we can't just sack Wilder unless someone at COH has a proper plan / structure and transfer policy who knows what they are doing. Right now - frankly - I don't think they have a clue. So for that reason I'd much rather stick with Wilder for 1 more season - even if that means another season of mid-table mediocrity......... (I can still see COH bailing out at some point in the next 18 months anyway - a failed investment by a group of investors that did not work out!).

 

[Houston_Blade]

*As soon as we get to 60 minutes only 1-0 up.

Fans that understand the basics of sports science have won a lot of in play money on United this season.Throwing a bomb here, but I actually credit the players for holding on to so many results this season. We've overachieved in that respect imo. Any game we aren't at least 2-0 up in going into the second half and achieve a result from I class as a big achievement.

When the option is ‘score 3 or don’t win’ we’re a bit reliant on good finishing. We had a purple patch but now seem to be profligate again.

 

[djbaldken]

What's that?

You're going to tell me to not bother going.

My comment would be why not demand better? Why be content with us being losers?

We can all demand better. Doesn't mean we'll get it.
Historically we Blades rarely get what we want. I'm not content to be a loser either. 15 wins and 5 draws suggests we aren't always losers.
With the start we got under Selles meant this season was never going to be pleasant. Wilder came back and steadied the ship. It's not gone the way any of us wanted. But I can understand CO H not wanting to gamble on January with big spending.
All we can do is wait and see what happens over the summer.
I'm not expecting great things tbh but you never know.

Feel free to moan. You have that right.

 

[KMC-1889]

And that's why I don't really understand the negativity towards Wilder right now. .

Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.

He didn’t bring in the CEO or the medical staff.

 

[KMC-1889]

He didn’t bring in the CEO or the medical staff.

Several interviews with the Prince where he mentions Chris would only join if Bettis came in.

Medical team was changed after the ‘long investigation’ into why we had so many injuries, there were loads of open positions on recruitment boards.

 

[djbaldken]

He didn’t bring in the CEO or the medical staff.

He didn't miss the sitter from three yards out either yesterday
Nor did he miss control and blast wide when in a goal scoring position.
Nor did he fail to mark his man on both their goals.

But some on here will blame him for that.

 

[Steve Mackan]

Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.

I don't think it's good or sustainable to rely on one guy.

I also think that one guy is better at running football clubs than our last 3 owners.