Fitness

[robbiez666]

No elite athlete should drink alxcohol or eat processsed crap during the competative season-

agreed. It should be part of their contracts outside of special dispensation for a couple of glasses of wine at Christmas and on a birthday.

In fairness, a lot of footballers nowadays just don't.

I used to live in a shared house with a WAG in the late 90s/early 2000s and her other half didn't ever outside of a summer vacation.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

Just a thought and I'm not suggesting that our players all drink too much, but we know one does and he like to sit down halfway through second halves!

Does he drink a lot? I genuinely don't know as being across the pond don't pick up on all the gossip!

 

[robbiez666]

Does he drink a lot? I genuinely don't know as being across the pond don't pick up on all the gossip!

I'm pretty sure someone came on shoutbox getting smashed doing shots with him. He's seen out quite a lot, even if it's a family meal with bottles of wine.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Everyone involved with fitness, stamina and conditioning at the club needs to be sacked.

Half the team look dead on their feet after 60-70 minutes every game.

It's not like we play high tempo or high press.

We normally score a goal and then defend or box. Our fitness is laughable.

Bit harsh, but probably for the best interest in the club. Yep, get em gone

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Hopefully there's a few u21s and behind closed door games for some players to gain some match fitness in the next 10 days

 

[BrisBlade]

Hopefully there's a few u21s and behind closed door games for some players to gain some match fitness in the next 10 days

Agree with this. We've got enough not currently injured for full 11-aside games in the first team squad as well. I would be aiming to get them to play two sixty minute halves every third day of training during this break. We need to set down a marker that we will never be beaten because we have been out-run.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Agree with this. We've got enough not currently injured for full 11-aside games in the first team squad as well. I would be aiming to get them to play two sixty minute halves every third day of training during this break. We need to set down a marker that we will never be beaten because we have been out-run.

If only we had a 6 week pre season!

 

[Weasel]

If only we had a 6 week pre season!

Overrated concept. Instead as a club, we seemingly like to have our 'new' squad doing our pre season training in the first international break. Just a sod weve played 4 or 5 league matches by then.

Yes I know.... my previous statement above is tongue in cheek and not strictly true...

 

[Richy Rich]

Wilder in his interview was talking about players not being able to do more than 60 minutes. Some have an excuse, others have none at all.

The pre-season preparation from a fitness perspective may have been dire but I don't really understand how as a player you can turn around and say nobody told us we needed to be able to get through 90 minutes so we didn't bother.

Surely some of these players must have thought - hang on a minute I'm miles off where I should be or have been previously. It's literally part of the job being able to play 90 minutes. If they don't think it is - they are mugging people off.

Can't imagine Bash and few other turning up and saying I'm not fit enough to play 90 because nobody told me I needed to be.

 

[Frank the tank]

Burrows is so tired that he has eliminated closing down crosses from his game to save energy

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Last weekend Chris Morgan was on co comms. He said players had told him the Selles pre season was far less physical than they were used when talking about our fitness this year.

That said I think it's over wheeled out when results aren't great. 2019 Duffy was only able to last an hour but did anyone really care when it worked out for us?

 

[alcoblade]

Last weekend Chris Morgan was on co comms. He said players had told him the Selles pre season was far less physical than they were used when talking about our fitness this year.

That said I think it's over wheeled out when results aren't great. 2019 Duffy was only able to last an hour but did anyone really care when it worked out for us?

Surely a poor preseason would only explain early season fitness?

 

[Pintor75]

Surely a poor preseason would only explain early season fitness?

You'd think after 34 games and 6 months they'd be fit by now

 

[Danetheblade]

Wilder in his interview was talking about players not being able to do more than 60 minutes. Some have an excuse, others have none at all.

The ironic thing is Wilder teams have always had some form of issue regards fitness. It’s not a new thing, it’s been pretty stable arguably from the second season with him in charge. In my opinion it boils down to the fitness coaches at the club, and partly the players who couldn’t give a rats arse about either getting fit, or maintaining fitness. Look at Hamer, came in relatively good fitness, now looks like a bloke who slams five John Smiths then a Kebabish.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Surely a poor preseason would only explain early season fitness?

You would think so! What’s the fitness coach doing with the players for the rest of the season? There’s just no excuse for being unfit as a professional footballer, their diets and fitness plans are obviously not good enough. Big improvement needed.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Wilder in his interview was talking about players not being able to do more than 60 minutes. Some have an excuse, others have none at all.

The pre-season preparation from a fitness perspective may have been dire but I don't really understand how as a player you can turn around and say nobody told us we needed to be able to get through 90 minutes so we didn't bother.

Surely some of these players must have thought - hang on a minute I'm miles off where I should be or have been previously. It's literally part of the job being able to play 90 minutes. If they don't think it is - they are mugging people off.

Can't imagine Bash and few other turning up and saying I'm not fit enough to play 90 because nobody told me I needed to be.

It’s a load of bollocks isn’t it, that you can only get “90 minutes fit” between the months of June and early August.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Surely a poor preseason would only explain early season fitness?

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[Yellarbellyblade]

It’s a load of bollocks isn’t it, that you can only get “90 minutes fit” between the months of June and early August.

I do agree mainly although I do think that the full on fitness training does need to be done preseason as during the season there’s lots of other things you have to work on. I guess you also have to be aware of the impact of extra fitness work on top of three games a week. That said I do wonder about all the gym work you see them doing on the videos. Strengthening of muscles and strength is important but surely CV fitness is more important. What do I know though?

 

[Large Mendonca]

I do agree mainly although I do think that the full on fitness training does need to be done preseason as during the season there’s lots of other things you have to work on. I guess you also have to be aware of the impact of extra fitness work on top of three games a week. That said I do wonder about all the gym work you see them doing on the videos. Strengthening of muscles and strength is important but surely CV fitness is more important. What do I know though?

I do agree, and it’s the CV fitness that is evidently lacking seeing as we start blowing at 60 mins.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Said this on another thread, but something happened at United at some time around March 2020.

We went from one of the fittest sides in the land, running rings around premier league level footballers (physically) to a side that are completely fucked after an hour. It’s been a pretty consistent element to every single United side since COVID and I’ve no idea what changed, but something definitely did and it’s never been properly addressed.

It’s not even a Wilder specific issue as it was also pretty evident under Hecky, Selles and Jokanovic. Some serious consideration needs to be given to the overall fitness of the squad as it really is unacceptable to have ‘elite’ level sportsmen that can’t complete a standard amount of time in their actual fucking job.

 

[Back post bob]

Personally the amount of players signed by Wilder who already had poor injury records and lack of fitness says one thing recruitment needs to improve.Then new fitness coaches,medical staff and a complete shake up.
Some players just don't have a sporting body and no amount of fitness training is going to change them.

 

[The Vicar]

Wilder in his interview was talking about players not being able to do more than 60 minutes. Some have an excuse, others have none at all.

First time I have heard him mention it
Someone must have mentioned to him that the supporters had noticed.

 

[KMC-1889]

What’s stopping players taking 2/4 weeks out for intense training in Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan?

Saying it can only be done in June or July is an excuse wilder’s wheeled out for years.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

What’s stopping players taking 2/4 weeks out for intense training in Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan?

Saying it can only be done in June or July is an excuse wilder’s wheeled out for years.

Erm....

The EFL fixtures?

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

This has now become an untenable situation

It's unacceptable, it's an absolute embarrassment and something has to give

It's been a problem for far too long to just be a coincidence. There's a common denominator somewhere and it needs addressing

It's actually mad how ingrained it's become in our minds as supporters that certain players can only do certain minutes, accepting forced early subs as inevitable. It's pathetic

Maybe we could start by only signing players who can fucking run about a bit. It should be a focus next transfer window

 

[Russ]

There’s no excuse next time when they’ve had a two week rest. At least its “ on the radar” so to speak.

He said he’s already thinking about the pre-season. If that’s the case let’s hope he’s thinking about which players want to be here and which ones don’t, or are coasting.

 

[toledo]

The fitness issue at the club, which the coaching staff and supporters agree is a huge problem in our ability to see games out begs a question I've asked myself for some time now...

What is a typical day in the life of a professional footballer?

What time do they arrive at the training ground?
What constitutes fitness building? Just weights in the gym? Running 5 miles? Speed drills?

I get the game travel bit but its only England in a bus.

I know I'm making it sound easy, but fitness is THE biggest issue we face so how does the coaching staff work the players on this on training days? How many days off do the players have that could be turned into hig intensive running for example.

So, for me, lack of fitness is an awful excuse for the consistent second half ability to give away points,

toledo

 

[54yrblade]

Said this on another thread, but something happened at United at some time around March 2020.

We went from one of the fittest sides in the land, running rings around premier league level footballers (physically) to a side that are completely fucked after an hour. It’s been a pretty consistent element to every single United side since COVID and I’ve no idea what changed, but something definitely did and it’s never been properly addressed.

It’s not even a Wilder specific issue as it was also pretty evident under Hecky, Selles and Jokanovic. Some serious consideration needs to be given to the overall fitness of the squad as it really is unacceptable to have ‘elite’ level sportsmen that can’t complete a standard amount of time in their actual fucking job.

None of this lot get in the 16-20 squad on fitness or effort levels

None of em. It's our biggest weakness and Wilder/ Knilly must know it

 

[Houston_Blade]

Last weekend Chris Morgan was on co comms. He said players had told him the Selles pre season was far less physical than they were used when talking about our fitness this year.

That said I think it's over wheeled out when results aren't great. 2019 Duffy was only able to last an hour but did anyone really care when it worked out for us?

How do you explain previous seasons under Wilder and Hecky when we were exactly the same?

All managers blame the previous regime when they come in and say that they’ll improve fitness, we’ve proven that we’re a set of unconditioned lightweights for many a year now.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

How do you explain previous seasons under Wilder and Hecky when we were exactly the same?

All managers blame the previous regime when they come in and say that they’ll improve fitness, we’ve proven that we’re a set of unconditioned lightweights for many a year now.

As I said in my earlier post I think it's actually just something wheeled out when things aren't going well. Duffy in 2019 and Campbell last year would regularly last an hour then off. Nobody really minded as it worked especially the Duffy example. If we had a stronger bench nobody would mind this year either imo