Expectations too high - thank you Chris for rescuing us.

[Tony Currie]

Okay sadly we are not making the playoffs. My view is we have a lot of people on here demanding instant results from Wilder and they have very short memories.


1) He didn't have a preseason
2) He inherited a team bottom of the league
3) He inherited a squad put together by AI
4) The whole back room setup was a mess
5) Team moral was shot

He has successfully avoided relegation (big bonus from where we were). He got us playing some attractive football. Not all players signed are successes but crucially he got the badly needed experienced in Bamford, Mee and Riedewald. Lets see what happens next season, I have faith in Wilder and most other clubs in the championship would be glad to have him.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

How many preseasons does he get? That's always a favourite.
The team was bottom of the league being mismanaged by a clown. Most managers would improve on that.
He inherited his old squad with a few terrible additions.
The backroom is back, as yesterday's debacle showed.
Team moral was indeed shot, as the team was in one big sulk. Mardy players, mardy manager, great combination.

Tongue in cheek some of that, I actually don't mind Wilder as the older I get, the realisation that we're a medium sized club that's over achieved over the last few years but is now settling into it's natural position is hitting home. That may show a lack of ambition but what's the measure of success? A year or two in the Prem with maybe the odd good result to enthuse about and the all important parachute payments to keep you going for a year or two.

UTBFTP

 

[Tarqs]

The point he inherited an 'AI' squad is absolute guff.

Yeah, he's achieved what he set out to achieve, but the notion that he's the ONLY manager that could do it is complete pie in the sky.

 

[Tony Currie]

The point he inherited an 'AI' squad is absolute guff.

Yeah, he's achieved what he set out to achieve, but the notion that he's the ONLY manager that could do it is complete pie in the sky.

Who? Don't say Frank Lampard as he has spent up to £20 million.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

Okay sadly we are not making the playoffs. My view is we have a lot of people on here demanding instant results from Wilder and they have very short memories.


1) He didn't have a preseason
2) He inherited a team bottom of the league
3) He inherited a squad put together by AI
4) The whole back room setup was a mess
5) Team moral was shot

He has successfully avoided relegation (big bonus from where we were). He got us playing some attractive football. Not all players signed are successes but crucially he got the badly needed experienced in Bamford, Mee and Riedewald. Lets see what happens next season, I have faith in Wilder and most other clubs in the championship would be glad to have him.

9 of the starting 11 yesterday were his signings, plus highly sought after Tanganga and a premier league loan defender.

The narrative that this isn’t his team is slightly false as repeatedly the team that starts games is 90% his signings as well as players who were with him last season.

I’m fine with him having one more season and agree we needed him to stop us going down this season, but any narratives about “culture”, not being his team etc are nonsense.

The issues are we’re seeing the same repeated mistakes we’ve seen in the majority of the past seasons with wilder..

• unfit players
• never seem to come from behind to win games
• rarely score late goals
• fall apart in the last 15 mins of games
• get out done tactically by other managers
• fail to keep possession when the pressure is on

 

[Tarqs]

Who? Don't say Frank Lampard as he has spent up to £20 million.

There's literally tens of thousands of managers in world football. The fact you think only 1 could have saved us from relegation is why we're happy as a fanbase with absolute averageness.

 

[Tarqs]

9 of the starting 11 yesterday were his signings, plus highly sought after Tanganga and a premier league loan defender.

The narrative that this isn’t his team is slightly false as repeatedly the team that starts games is 90% his signings as well as players who were with him last season.

I’m fine with him having one more season and agree we needed him to stop us going down this season, but any narratives about “culture”, not being his team etc are nonsense.

The issues are we’re seeing the same repeated mistakes we’ve seen in the majority of the past seasons with wilder..

• unfit players
• never seem to come from behind to win games
• rarely score late goals
• fall apart in the last 15 mins of games
• get out done tactically by other managers
• fail to keep possession when the pressure is on

Let's not forget, many players down tools under selles and were vocal with the board about getting wilder back.....

You expected a bounce.... Wilder won 2 of his first 11 matches (to go with barely winning any of the last 10 league games last season.

 

[Cheesebored]

People's reluctance to move on from Wilder is fuelled by the Selles debacle. Most level headed supporters would probably see Wilder is excellent in some aspects of management and poor in other areas. He's achieved this season what I think most supporters would've settled for when he returned. Survival. However, some of his signings have been sub standard, our fitness levels are poor and his inability to effect meaningful substitutions at the correct times are currently stifling our progress. I like Wilder and still think he's the man for the job but it's understandable if people want to question him.

 

[Tony Currie]

9 of the starting 11 yesterday were his signings, plus highly sought after Tanganga and a premier league loan defender.

The narrative that this isn’t his team is slightly false as repeatedly the team that starts games is 90% his signings as well as players who were with him last season.

I’m fine with him having one more season and agree we needed him to stop us going down this season, but any narratives about “culture”, not being his team etc are nonsense.

The issues are we’re seeing the same repeated mistakes we’ve seen in the majority of the past seasons with wilder..

• unfit players
• never seem to come from behind to win games
• rarely score late goals
• fall apart in the last 15 mins of games
• get out done tactically by other managers
• fail to keep possession when the pressure is on

Your points are valid. However none of the points apply to last season when Wilder had been in the job 18 months. We knew how to hold on to 1-0's and see out games, we where never outdone tactically and the team were fitter than now. It's just a matter of training and time before we see this again!

 

[Upton_Blade]

9 of the starting 11 yesterday were his signings, plus highly sought after Tanganga and a premier league loan defender.

The narrative that this isn’t his team is slightly false as repeatedly the team that starts games is 90% his signings as well as players who were with him last season.

I’m fine with him having one more season and agree we needed him to stop us going down this season, but any narratives about “culture”, not being his team etc are nonsense.

The issues are we’re seeing the same repeated mistakes we’ve seen in the majority of the past seasons with wilder..

• unfit players
• never seem to come from behind to win games
• rarely score late goals
• fall apart in the last 15 mins of games
• get out done tactically by other managers
• fail to keep possession when the pressure is on

He definitely deserves next season after steadying the ship this year after the horrendous start but unfortunately, and I hope I'm wrong, the highlighted bits above will still be prevalent next season unless he completely changes his approach.

In fact I'd genuinely like to see if any of the staunch Wilder fans on here disagree with the above?

 

[Tarqs]

Your points are valid. However none of the points apply to last season when Wilder had been in the job 18 months. We knew how to hold on to 1-0's and see out games, we where never outdone tactically and the team were fitter than now. It's just a matter of training and time before we see this again!

We got lucky often in those 1-0 wins. Eventually it caught up with us and those 1-0s turned to 1-1s and even defeats.

The team hasn't been fit since Wilder mk1 days.

 

[Tarqs]

People's reluctance to move on from Wilder is fuelled by the Selles debacle. Most level headed supporters would probably see Wilder is excellent in some aspects of management and poor in other areas. He's achieved this season what I think most supporters would've settled for when he returned. Survival. However, some of his signings have been sub standard, our fitness levels are poor and his inability to effect meaningful substitutions at the correct times are currently stifling our progress. I like Wilder and still think he's the man for the job but it's understandable if people want to question him.

100% and I'd be reluctant too the next time round unless there's a proper plan in place to aid and assist the new man as much as possible.

The Selles appointment was half hearted bollocks which ultimately led to COH shitting themselves after 5 league matches and going against everything they said they wanted to be.

Absolute shit show.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Who? Don't say Frank Lampard as he has spent up to £20 million.

I said it in the summer but Sean Dyche for me would have been the solution, can work to a budget, understands the Championship and how to get out of the division. Does have some fresh ideas and is younger than Wilder. Might not have been the most appealing in term of performances but he would get results. Just before the signing of Selles from no where the bookies had Dyche at 7/1. I am not a betting person but he was 2nd favourite after Gary O'Neil (who is now employed in France). Dyche does fit the mould of our type of club but for some reason Spurs are now linked with Dyche, not quite sure why.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Your points are valid. However none of the points apply to last season when Wilder had been in the job 18 months. We knew how to hold on to 1-0's and see out games, we where never outdone tactically and the team were fitter than now. It's just a matter of training and time before we see this again!

We were outdone tactically away at Plymouth and Oxford in the run in and also after Burrows disallowed goal in the playoff final.

 

[dc_blade]

He will be here next season regardless. Until the ownership gets its act together and we start functioning as a modern football club then Wilder will be a decent bet to hold things together.

We've played some decent football at times this season and been fun to watch in spells. Unfortunately we seem to have regressed to the turgid fare of last season in the last few weeks. I think there are big questions about the mentality of Wilder's teams at important moments over the last couple of seasons. We seem incapable of beating big teams regularly enough and seem to wilt at crucial times in the season.

Wilder did well to pick this squad up off the floor after the Selles disaster but he has been given plenty of resources to do so--Jairo, Bamford, the January signings will all be on decent wages. I'd bet we have the third or fourth biggest wage bill in the division.

The thing that absolutely must change under Wilder is our lack of imagination in the transfer market. With a proper recruitment system and a modern approach to squad management we wouldn't be forced to look in the same predictable places for the same expensive options in every window. The last two January windows have been mind-bogglingly bad--lots of money spent to make the squad worse.

 

[BladeByChoice]

He definitely deserves next season after steadying the ship this year after the horrendous start but unfortunately, and I hope I'm wrong, the highlighted bits above will still be prevalent next season unless he completely changes his approach.

In fact I'd genuinely like to see if any of the staunch Wilder fans on here disagree with the above?

Nobody deservers a job, but on reflection, yes he should be managing us next season in the Championship where her has proved he can get a potless* club promoted.

But if we do get to the PL for 27/28 he has to go and we should be looking at his replacements now. Replacements, as in head coach, Dof ect, a full management team restructure, not a finger in every pie old school manager, that doesn’t work at top level any more.

*just going on parachute payments ending, haven’t got a clue what the yanks are planning.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The point he inherited an 'AI' squad is absolute guff.

We wasted our Summer and very few of the selles signings have been improvements on what we had last year. Bloated squad has it's negatives and positives considering we seemingly have endless Central midfielders considering how rarely they are fully fit or available!

The AI boys could have been spent on a much better player or loan. It was a gamble. And it was as successful as my euro millions punt!

 

[Tarqs]

We wasted our Summer and very few of the selles signings have been improvements on what we had last year. Bloated squad has it's negatives and positives considering we seemingly have endless Central midfielders considering how rarely they are fully fit or available!

The AI boys could have been spent on a much better player or loan. It was a gamble. And it was as successful as my euro millions punt!

The only signings Selles made were the awful Villa loanee and Bindon. The others were signed for him.... also some of those brought in had already been linked with us in the wilder era.

I've said from the off, the biggest culprits for this season are the owners. Utterly clueless.

 

[YES Blade]

The Selles shit show didn’t turn us into a relegation level squad. He wasn’t at the club long enough to make this season unsalvageable.

The core of the squad was always decent enough for mid table with any competent or even average manager.

Whilst there are no guarantees and Wilder should get some credit for the improvement in results and performances, let’s not go overboard. He hasn’t worked miracles!

 

[Carlton Blade]

Your points are valid. However none of the points apply to last season when Wilder had been in the job 18 months. We knew how to hold on to 1-0's and see out games, we where never outdone tactically and the team were fitter than now. It's just a matter of training and time before we see this again!

Winning games 1-0 is not an endlessly repeatable trait. Sometimes, the opposition do something good, or one of your players does something stupid.

The reason Leeds all season and Burnley after January were so good was they scored 2+ in a lot of games, allowing you to absorb a mistake etc.

 

[bladesince64]

I am just as disappointed as everyone else with how our season has fizzled out. It was always gonna be a stretch to get in the play offs from where we were.

We would all have taken a mid table finish though when Wilder first came back to the club.

Some people have very short memories. We were rock bottom and getting thrashed against some of the better sides.

We can now regroup, get the squad trimmed back, lose some of the crap and give it a good go next season with players who have ambition and some bollox.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Winning games 1-0 is not an endlessly repeatable trait. Sometimes, the opposition do something good, or one of your players does something stupid.

The reason Leeds all season and Burnley after January were so good was they scored 2+ in a lot of games, allowing you to absorb a mistake etc.

Scoring more under Wilder this year. Nobody is going to pretend we are better though are we?

 

[Brian Deane]

Scoring more under Wilder this year. Nobody is going to pretend we are better though are we?

The Table doesn't Lie

 

[Carlton Blade]

Scoring more under Wilder this year. Nobody is going to pretend we are better though are we?

If you think the first half of last season, everything up to Boxing Day was repeatable long term, I disagree. Even the points total 2nd half was bolstered by a lot of close, 50/50 games. 27 goals scored over the last 20 games, and a +8 GD isn't indicative of a title challenging team.

United under Wilder have been a top 6, rather than top 2 challenger for a while now. 72 points from the last 46 matches. I think he's done a better job this season than he did for the 2nd half of last season, given the huge difference in circumstances.

 

[TJ blade]

How many preseasons does he get? That's always a favourite.
The team was bottom of the league being mismanaged by a clown. Most managers would improve on that.
He inherited his old squad with a few terrible additions.
The backroom is back, as yesterday's debacle showed.
Team moral was indeed shot, as the team was in one big sulk. Mardy players, mardy manager, great combination.

Tongue in cheek some of that, I actually don't mind Wilder as the older I get, the realisation that we're a medium sized club that's over achieved over the last few years but is now settling into it's natural position is hitting home. That may show a lack of ambition but what's the measure of success? A year or two in the Prem with maybe the odd good result to enthuse about and the all important parachute payments to keep you going for a year or two.

UTBFTP

Wouldn't mind becoming another Brentford or Bournemouth though, I can remember seeing them in the old 4th division

 

[BerksBlade]

We can now regroup, get the squad trimmed back, lose some of the crap and give it a good go next season with players who have ambition and some bollox.

Some of the "crap" are on long contracts though. How do we get rid of them if no-one will take them?

 

[Sheffsteel]

Our fans think we are good because we have quality.
On our day we are definitely top 2 material…..sounds good doesn’t it?

However we have too many players with a weak mentality.
When things go against us our heads drop….and all of a sudden we struggle to put 3 or 4 passes together.

Never under estimate how much mental toughness is such a big asset,

I know very few rated Jack Robinson and agree he always had an error in him
But he was a battler who ran through walls and never gave up…..he’s the type you need in your squad. Ollie McBurnie was another.

Another problem we’ve had all season is defence and goalie…..there’s been no solidity at all and we lack height when defending corners.

The positives are I like our brand of football…..we’re comfortable with the ball passing to feet and I’ve generally enjoyed watching us play.
Although at times we over do it and resemble a poor man’s Man City….with loads of sideways passing…..altho it does help us control a game.

However my issue that’s never been addressed is when we go a goal up…..we drop deeper and deeper defending a lead inviting pressure.
This season there’s positives and negatives…..I suppose we need to give Wilder the Summer and pre-season to address those negatives.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Something changed around this time 6 years ago. We went from one of the fittest sides in the country, able to run rings round elite level players (physically rather than technically of course) and could go full pelt for at least 80 minutes before we look tired.

Since COVID, every single Sheffield United side we’ve seen look completely jaded after an hour tops. I’ve no idea what happened, but the difference is stark.

 

[Darren William]

100% and I'd be reluctant too the next time round unless there's a proper plan in place to aid and assist the new man as much as possible.

The Selles appointment was half hearted bollocks which ultimately led to COH shitting themselves after 5 league matches and going against everything they said they wanted to be.

Absolute shit show.

And l'm sure more to follow this summer l.
After another extended holiday see you in september chris!!!! .
.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Okay sadly we are not making the playoffs. My view is we have a lot of people on here demanding instant results from Wilder and they have very short memories.


1) He didn't have a preseason
2) He inherited a team bottom of the league
3) He inherited a squad put together by AI
4) The whole back room setup was a mess
5) Team moral was shot

He has successfully avoided relegation (big bonus from where we were). He got us playing some attractive football. Not all players signed are successes but crucially he got the badly needed experienced in Bamford, Mee and Riedewald. Lets see what happens next season, I have faith in Wilder and most other clubs in the championship would be glad to have him.

I notice how you haven't mentioned his January signings.
I highly doubt most other clubs in the Championship would be glad to have him, they were hardly fighting over him when he was sacked last season and when he left Watford.