So... what the feck has happened to this football club?

[Back post bob]

It's time to roll the dice at Coventry nothing to loose Back four, Riedawald in front of then Soumare and Davies with O,Hare behind two strikers. Also Prefer Tanganga in center back position.But who plays right back?

 

[Grappler]

Maybe I am mis-remembering this, but wasn't Chris Wilder still, effectively, employed by SUFC, when Selles was here?

I am sure I read that we couldn't (or wouldn't) pay him off, so he was still being paid by the club, even though he had been replaced. When Selles had to go, they brought Wilder back because, basically, he was still employed by us. The way they worded it was something like, "brought back on the same contract he was previously on", because the contract was never cancelled (or paid up).

As to "what has happened to this football club", as others have said, sacked a manager that got us to Wembley without a plan in place, employed Selles without even interviewing him (or anyone else), hired low quality players.

Wembley was a real "sliding-doors" moment for us.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I know it feels a long time ago but the Ndiaye/berge/Prince trying to sell us era hurt us deeply.

Somehow last year we got 90 points and it felt like we had turned a corner and not "done a Luton" or what is going on at Southampton now.

The owners then decided to blow up that pretty remarkable achievement by firing the guy behind it, gutting the squad, giving a poker player the keys to the transfer team, hiring a unproven manager who brought in unproven players he previously worked with on loan.


That's about it.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Looking at the introduction of the teams yesterday it was noticable how much bigger Derby players were than ours.

Last season at this time we had Soutter 6ft 7'', Ahmedhodzic 6ft 5'', Moore 6ft 4'' and Souza 6ft 2''. We have lost the spine of the team, and haven't the players to alter the way we have to play.

It is all down to inexperienced American owners and the manager they replaced Wilder with.

The January transfer window will tell us all we need to know about how they intend to react to the present situation. I can't say I'm too hopeful that they will provide the necessary funds for either the team or for the development of Dore.

 

[JOEYDEE]

Looking at the introduction of the teams yesterday it was noticable how much bigger Derby players were than ours.

Last season at this time we had Soutter 6ft 7'', Ahmedhodzic 6ft 5'', Moore 6ft 4'' and Souza 6ft 2''. We have lost the spine of the team, and haven't the players to alter the way we have to play.

It is all down to inexperienced American owners and the manager they replaced Wilder with.

The January transfer window will tell us all we need to know about how they intend to react to the present situation. I can't say I'm too hopeful that they will provide the necessary funds for either the team or for the development of Dore.

Good points Sharrow.....

 

[djbaldken]

Look at the state of us now. Far lower quality, recruitment based on a child’s computer game, panic squad filling with whatever detritus was left at the end of the window, no height or fight in those recruited, a rookie manager who destroyed all confidence in the squad. There are no tactics that survive a lack of quality, spirit or fight. We’ve all witnessed it week after week. All this horse shit about tactics being negative and inflexible. He’s trying to get a tune out of a box of nails with a soiled G-string attached to it.

This explains it perfectly. Nail bang on head.

We can only hope for a good January window.

It's the hope that kills you.

 

[ancientblade]

This explains it perfectly. Nail bang on head.

We can only hope for a good January window.

It's the hope that kills you.

january is the only.thing that can save us this lot of players will get us relegated we need at least 5 out and 5 in and as another poster has said we need.some big physical championship standard players to come in

 

[djbaldken]

january is the only.thing that can save us this lot of players will get us relegated we need at least 5 out and 5 in and as another poster has said we need.some big physical championship standard players to come in

In reply to the OP, the feck that has happened is we've been bought by owners who haven't a clue about how British football works.
We've been bought by venture capitalists. They aren't in it for sport. They are in it for money. And they've bought into something they clearly know little about.
I said at the time be careful what you wish for. This on current showing appears to be true. It's not going to be a pleasant ride for some time.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Correction.. to relegation certainties

Don't be melodramatic, there's a boatload of crap teams this season. Fourth-bottom is well within reach. Anything more than that, I'm starting to doubt... but the pigs are the only relegation certainties and there's at least 5 teams in the mix for the other two relegation spots. Probably anyone in the bottom half isn't safe at this point.

 

[Harry's Game]

Don't be melodramatic, there's a boatload of crap teams this season. Fourth-bottom is well within reach. Anything more than that, I'm starting to doubt... but the pigs are the only relegation certainties and there's at least 5 teams in the mix for the other two relegation spots. Probably anyone in the bottom half isn't safe at this point.

There will have to be some monumentally terrible sides if we are to survive as we won’t get 45 points.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

we won’t get 45 points.

I don't think we'll need to this season.

 

[Harry's Game]

I don't think we'll need to this season.

If that’s good enough for 21st place I’d be very surprised

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

If that’s good enough for 21st place I’d be very surprised

Honestly, look at the crap around us. It's a historically poor standard for the division.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's really quite simple. Last season we massively overachieved. Fans moaned about style of play and blew a gasket in April/May (despite being the best side in the playoffs) but ultimately it was a superb performance from a limited squad that had its knees buckles when losing its two best players mid season. The management deserved a hell of a lot of kudus for that. Instead they got the sack for wringing out everything from a limited side.

A bad appointment, a horrific fitness record and not replacing Moore and Vini(whilst signing a plethora of shite) leaves us where/what we are. It will need similar overachievement to rescue us.

 

[Proper Blade]

Considering we once old Berge and Ndiaye for pennies on the eve of a Premier League season, I didn't think in a few years time I would be saying we would have a worse transfer window.

Matos, McGuinness, Barry, Bindon, Godfrey, Mee, Ukaki, Chong, Nwachukwu. We signed all of those lot in the summer, and none of them have had any impact on the team whatsoever. I mean, how is it even possible to sign NINE players that have collectively contributed absolutely nothing? I'm probably being generous to Tanganga, Mee, Ings and the rest by leaving them off.

Throw in the Selles fiasco and it will go down as one of our worst ever windows. And that's saying something.

 

[Sheffsteel]

From the playoffs to relegation contenders. Can anyone explain cos its beyond me. Yes we know Seles was sh*te but really? Everything's gone so rotten in a few months?

We asked the same question on Saturday as we all agreed….for the 1st time we looked like a relegation team.

We did come up with a theory why we’re’ re struggling.

Traditionally a manager (Wilder) would come up with a plan to tackle a season regards style of play and tactics.
Then they draw up a list of target/ players to fit into that plan. For example Wilder…last season Wilder talked about there are 3 ways to break down a defence.
Either around the side, through the middle or over the top.

This explains why in the past Wilder would always buy a crap big lump player….yeh they might be crap but they were effective and a useful tool to break down packed defences. Eg Remember when he bought James Hanson and Gary Madine, crap players but could rough up packed defences.

However this Summer the new owners have used the continental method…and obviously Selles was comfortable with that system.
Instead the board have used a scatter gun approach to buy up loads of random quality players with decent potential.
Then they’ve said to the manager “here’s what you have…..now go out and make them into a good team”.

It’s a back to front approach. We do have plenty of decent players but neither Selles or Wilder know how to fit them in the team.
Wilder can see that when teams sit back parking the bus…..we’re struggling to break them down.
Obviously he’ll know what’s needed but it’s looking like he doesn’t have the tools to do it.

My concern isn’t that we’re inconsistent….we are actually consistent.
We always look quite good and usually control the centre circle and at home we have plenty of attacks BUT we never look like scoring.
Most of the home matches have been very similar…..not massively different from last season but we can’t score and our defence isn’t quite as solid.
You would expect Wilder to be able to change things but maybe he doesn’t have the players.
Yeh we have plenty of decent players but they weren’t hand picked for the job or a particular tactic.

 

[Grappler]

We asked the same question on Saturday as we all agreed….for the 1st time we looked like a relegation team.

We did come up with a theory why we’re’ re struggling.

Traditionally a manager (Wilder) would come up with a plan to tackle a season regards style of play and tactics.
Then they draw up a list of target/ players to fit into that plan. For example Wilder…last season Wilder talked about there are 3 ways to break down a defence.
Either around the side, through the middle or over the top.

This explains why in the past Wilder would always buy a crap big lump player….yeh they might be crap but they were effective and a useful tool to break down defenders. Eg Remember when he bought James Hanson and Gary Madine, good signings at the time.

However this Summer the new owners have used the continental method…and obviously Selles was comfortable with that system.
Instead the board have used a scatter gun approach to buy up loads of random quality players with decent potential.
Then they’ve said to the manager “here’s what you have…..now go out and make them into a good team”.

It’s a back to front approach. We do have plenty of decent players but don’t know how to fit them in the team.
Wilder can see that when teams sit back parking the bus…..we’re struggling to break them down.
Obviously he’ll know what’s needed but it’s looking like he doesn’t have the tools to do it.

I was thinking the same at the weekend, and mentioned it on a thread on here. This team, on paper, should be miles better than the team that Micky Adams had, that went down, but it is starting to look grim.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

When you spend too long with players “phoning it in”….It’s hard to get it back.

 

[vas borbokis]

Considering we once old Berge and Ndiaye for pennies on the eve of a Premier League season, I didn't think in a few years time I would be saying we would have a worse transfer window.

Matos, McGuinness, Barry, Bindon, Godfrey, Mee, Ukaki, Chong, Nwachukwu. We signed all of those lot in the summer, and none of them have had any impact on the team whatsoever. I mean, how is it even possible to sign NINE players that have collectively contributed absolutely nothing? I'm probably being generous to Tanganga, Mee, Ings and the rest by leaving them off.

Throw in the Selles fiasco and it will go down as one of our worst ever windows. And that's saying something.

You didn't leave Mee off though, although he's not done much in my eyes to be spared from the criticism..

 

[Balham]

That's hardly fair, plenty of us we decrying our policy of signing AI moonshots over anyone who has ever contributed at this level before all Summer.

You've responded to a poster who spent the whole Sellés spell longing for Wilder's return as the panacea and who is now desperate for something or someone else to blame for our continuing malaise.

It's time to roll the dice at Coventry nothing to loose Back four, Riedawald in front of then Soumare and Davies with O,Hare behind two strikers. Also Prefer Tanganga in center back position.But who plays right back?

Seriki is the obvious choice, what with him being a right back. Unfortunately, he doesn't train hard enough or something.

Looking at the introduction of the teams yesterday it was noticable how much bigger Derby players were than ours.

Last season at this time we had Soutter 6ft 7'', Ahmedhodzic 6ft 5'', Moore 6ft 4'' and Souza 6ft 2''. We have lost the spine of the team, and haven't the players to alter the way we have to play.

It is all down to inexperienced American owners and the manager they replaced Wilder with.

The January transfer window will tell us all we need to know about how they intend to react to the present situation. I can't say I'm too hopeful that they will provide the necessary funds for either the team or for the development of Dore.

McGuinness is 1.94m (6'4"), Tanganga 1.84m (6'1"), Soumaré & Chong both 1.85m (6'1"). The issue isn't necessarily the lack of height, it's the lack of aggression to go with it and the fact that with the exception of Tanganga, all the replacements are much less 'built' than the player who departed.

 

[Bladesince59]

We're a 19th Century football club.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

You've responded to a poster who spent the whole Sellés spell longing for Wilder's return as the panacea and who is now desperate for something or someone else to blame for our continuing malaise.


Seriki is the obvious choice, what with him being a right back. Unfortunately, he doesn't train hard enough or something.


McGuinness is 1.94m (6'4"), Tanganga 1.84m (6'1"), Soumaré & Chong both 1.85m (6'1"). The issue isn't necessarily the lack of height, it's the lack of aggression to go with it and the fact that with the exception of Tanganga, all the replacements are much less 'built' than the player who departed.

In the order I set the players out, all are taller than your listed order. It does make a difference. I agree with the lack of aggression point you make.

 

[Servigliano]

I don’t get this argument that one manager was shoved under the bus for poor recruitment but the old manager can’t get a tune out of them because he is tactically inept. It’s just lazy bollocks. Wilder is not tactically inept, nor is Knill. They got a tune out of a decent squad last year but Burnley and Leeds had better players. That’s not a tactical difference that’s a quality difference.
Look at the state of us now. Far lower quality, recruitment based on a child’s computer game, panic squad filling with whatever detritus was left at the end of the window, no height or fight in those recruited, a rookie manager who destroyed all confidence in the squad. There are no tactics that survive a lack of quality, spirit or fight. We’ve all witnessed it week after week. All this horse shit about tactics being negative and inflexible. He’s trying to get a tune out of a box of nails with a soiled G-string attached to it.

100% agree save the last bit of the last sentence which was too detailed.

 

[Kenilworth]

100% agree save the last bit of the last sentence which was too detailed.

Dampens the sound, apparently.

 

[ATL Recs]

I know it feels a long time ago but the Ndiaye/berge/Prince trying to sell us era hurt us deeply.

Somehow last year we got 90 points and it felt like we had turned a corner and not "done a Luton" or what is going on at Southampton now.

The owners then decided to blow up that pretty remarkable achievement by firing the guy behind it, gutting the squad, giving a poker player the keys to the transfer team, hiring a unproven manager who brought in unproven players he previously worked with on loan.


That's about it.

Nowt wrong with changing the manager I get that and wanted it it was what they did that ukced that up- My head still cant reason how and why you would pick him