The story is actually in the first programme of the 62-3 season and I wrote the article around 15 years ago now. I have brought it up a few times on here.
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The story is actually in the first programme of the 62-3 season and I wrote the article around 15 years ago now. I have brought it up a few times on here.
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Anybody else notice how much of the stadium Arsenal fans had once Hull fans had departed? They must have had 70% of the stadium. So much for 25,000 each team!
And as for the cup engraver engraving the cup with "Arsenal" with over 5 minutes to go .... don't get me started! I was praying for a last minute equaliser!
And as for the cup engraver engraving the cup with "Arsenal" with over 5 minutes to go .... don't get me started! I was praying for a last minute equaliser!
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I dont have any of the 1962-63 season programmes and I do not remember reading your article in FB! Reading about it in the Morning Telegraph archives about 12 years ago surprised me as I hadnt known that the FL nominated us as one of the teams to be in the 1962-63 Fairs Cup so I brought it up in the BU and SUISA Forums. I do remember you mentioning this a few times in this Forum but do not remember if you replied to my thread in SUISA or BU Forum.
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Me too! I was so annoyed with the arrogance and I was screaming for Aluko to pass the ball to Davies when the keeper ran out of the box
blade too long
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uefa was a different animal then , it only liked certain clubs, those with masons on the board prepared to pass brown envelopes around
RealMcCoy
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Seem to have lost the plot here in respect of the thread title.
Well done Hull. Great performance and really gave arsenal a fright.
Wish it had been SUFC in the final and wish we could have done the same.
Good luck in Europe
Well done Hull. Great performance and really gave arsenal a fright.
Wish it had been SUFC in the final and wish we could have done the same.
Good luck in Europe
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Really wish we'd have been in the final on saturday,we'd have beaten Arsenal..who were shite !Hull were worse..really poor after 10 mins had gone ,if we'd have played as bad as that after goin' 2-0 up,I'd never go to the Lane again !!Seriously !
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United probably allowed this to happen though, citing that they couldn't afford the coach fares or something.
Just to add, we are talking about the "Inter-Cities Fairs Cup" here, which, as it's name implies was a cup organised around cities that had trade fairs. Unlike the Champions' Cup and Cup Winners' Cup which, from the start, you qualified for by being national champions or cup winners, there was no qualification as such for the Fairs Cup and entry was to cities by invitation only.
In it's early years, composite teams representing cities entered (a London XI were runners up in 1958) as well as club teams, but the latter "represented" their cities. Clearly, the Fairs' Cup committe, in 1962, were still operating on this basis and wanted representatives of 3 big cities from England - Liverpool, Sheffield and Birmingham; as such 1962 runners up (Small town) Burnley had no chance. On the other hand, by nominating 2nd, 4th and 5th, the League were clearly indicating that there should be some merit basis to entry. However, as the Fairs' Cup committe ran the competition, it was up to them up got to enter.
Given this, United did not "qualify" for the Fairs Cup in 1962 as no-one qualified. You were invited to enter. However, the fact that Wednesday rather than United were initially invited to represent Sheffield, despite United finishing higher in the League does beg a few questions. I can only assume that Wednesday being "bigger" (can of worms etc - but much higher attendances and league runners up the previous season) weighed heavily with the committee.
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The engraver wasn't putting Arsenal on, just finishing off the year. The "Arsenal" bit everyone seems to assume was this year's was actually 2002 - the engraving has the year then the date horizontally.
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I thought that when I saw it, but couldn't understand why they hadn't already engraved the year and/or date - were they worried that the ref might add on an awful lot of injury time?
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Why? Were they playing Manure?
I agree, why wait until a few minutes before the final whistle - or is it an example of "product placement"?
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Or perhaps it was a pre-recorded segment that they slotted in.
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There's this interview that the observer did back in 2007 with an engraver. Not sure if it's the same guy
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/may/13/obsmagspecial5.theobserver5
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/may/13/obsmagspecial5.theobserver5
grafikhaus
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I've still to hear why the kick-off was 5 O'Clock. Must have been crap for the Hull fans getting back, but no problem for Arsenal. Or have I answered my own question?
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Well the kickoff time would still have been 5pm if it had been a blades wigan final, so i think that conspiracy theory can safely be consigned to the bin....
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Yeah, but why Five O'Clock?
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Had to laugh at the Metro I was reading over a chap's shoulder this morning. The headline said something like "At last! The long wait for a cup is over!"
I must admit that my internal thought process was along the lines of "are you having a fucking laugh?"
I must admit that my internal thought process was along the lines of "are you having a fucking laugh?"
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Just looked at 1963-64 Fairs Cup and the 1962-63 League table. At the end of the 1962-63 season, Spurs finished 2nd Everton were champions) and as they won the CWC that season, they carried on in the CWC for the 1963-64 season. Burnley, Leicester and Wolves finished 3rd, 4th and 5th respectively but only Wendy (6th) and Arsenal (7th) represented for England in the 1963-64 Fair Cup. I will check later tonight to find out the England clubs in the next few years Fairs Cup
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It was a brand new cup wasn't it?
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And a clash with barca v athletico Madrid over on sky... I had both games on and a few lads round for it. Stupidly thinking the FA cup would be a dull, formality for arsenal and that the barca game would be an end to end rip roarer. Turns out that Spanish football is just as shite even when real or barca don't win and the game before on sky, Scottish come final was a better game.
Arsenal hull was a cracker of a final
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The plinth with the engravings was transferred from the old one.
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What channel was that on?
There you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...ies_Fairs_Cup.2FUEFA_Cup.2FUEFA_Europa_League
The 67-68 competition appears to be the first one where entry was purely based on league position (although the one club per city rule applied). That was also the first one where the League Cup winners gained entry (as long as they were a 1st Division team - as it happens the 66-67 winners - QPR - were a 3rd Division team), so it may be that the rules were regularised then.
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Come final Swiss? Details please, is it a male only final, or are women welcome to come as well?
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Classic FA Cup final. I felt myself getting excited when the 2nd Hull goal went in. Such a dream start for them, and if it wasn't for a well-placed Arsenal defender on the line to save Fabianski's blushes, (what an awful 'keeper) they'd have been 3-0 up inside 20 minutes. I genuinely think that if that had gone in, Arsenal wouldn't have had it in them to pull it back. It took them 108 minutes to score 3, so Hull got the tactics right. If they'd have not panicked with the open goal near the end, they'd have taken it to penalties, and who knows what would've happened then.
Cazorla's free kick was their only shot on target for the first half. If you watch the replays, McGregor takes a step to his right before realising the ball's going to his left. He dives for it, and manages to get a touch on it. If he hadn't have taken that step to the right, he'd have tipped it over the bar, and they'd have been 2-0 up at half time. Hull were tactically resplendent in the first half, packing the box, making Arsenal's play narrow and stopping all attacks. They only tried to score from set plays, and weren't tempted to stretch themselves out and catch Arsenal on the counter, because Arsenal would have wanted that.
All "big" clubs act with that arrogance - They have more pace and technique, so they wait for the "smaller" team to stretch out and go for glory, catch them out and bomb up the other end of the pitch. Hull didn't do that once. All their attacks from open play were on the wing, and they matched the mediocre Arsenal defenders for pace every time. They frustrated the Arsenal talent and made the likes of Podolski, Giroud and Ozil look like donkeys. Tactical master class from the flat-faced one! Curtis Davis absolutely smashed it that game, easily MOTM for me. Fryatt played a good game too. Shame they couldn't last the distance, I fucking hate Arsenal. Can't argue with the world class goal from Ramsey to win it tho.
Cazorla's free kick was their only shot on target for the first half. If you watch the replays, McGregor takes a step to his right before realising the ball's going to his left. He dives for it, and manages to get a touch on it. If he hadn't have taken that step to the right, he'd have tipped it over the bar, and they'd have been 2-0 up at half time. Hull were tactically resplendent in the first half, packing the box, making Arsenal's play narrow and stopping all attacks. They only tried to score from set plays, and weren't tempted to stretch themselves out and catch Arsenal on the counter, because Arsenal would have wanted that.
All "big" clubs act with that arrogance - They have more pace and technique, so they wait for the "smaller" team to stretch out and go for glory, catch them out and bomb up the other end of the pitch. Hull didn't do that once. All their attacks from open play were on the wing, and they matched the mediocre Arsenal defenders for pace every time. They frustrated the Arsenal talent and made the likes of Podolski, Giroud and Ozil look like donkeys. Tactical master class from the flat-faced one! Curtis Davis absolutely smashed it that game, easily MOTM for me. Fryatt played a good game too. Shame they couldn't last the distance, I fucking hate Arsenal. Can't argue with the world class goal from Ramsey to win it tho.
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Chuffing auto correct!
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What's black and amber and goes beep beep?
Hull's open top bus reversing back into the depot.
Hull's open top bus reversing back into the depot.
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