CONFIRMED Chris Wilder 3.0 - Returns for the third spell.

[Aston max]

At the moment I'm that pissed off with our start I've not come to any decision about any particular candidate , but all you wilderists out there ( no disrespect but I'm not excited about anything) Cannon will be playing regularly ? as from the allegations we've all read on here he was a Chrissy signing and could end up as this season's JLT

 

[S12blades]

Haha and when I found out I was the opposite to you, hated the new owners and wanted our season ticket money back, we are 70 ( pensioners ) also Selles was for me terrible

Didn't realise you are a Wendy in disguise... I should read more messages

 

[Farnboroughblade]

We got rid of JLT just in the nick of time.

 

[wavy-blade]

come on down too ......

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think the "one man show" approach can be healthy, as it was for us recently

Only ever in the short term. I can’t think of one club that hasn’t suffered a long term decline when it inevitably comes to an end.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Football is overthought.

Just appoint a guy who wins football matches.

I keep hearing about a DoF. When the players he brought in don’t perform, does he get sacked too? Or does he always have a get out and blame the manager?

What happens when the DoF leaves? Or does he have to remain under lock and key? Aren’t up just as susceptible to the whims of the next guy?

Celtic have recruitment managed outside of just the Manager. What Rodgers produces an absolute shit show in Europe, he’s straight in there criticising the club’s recruitment.

Whichever model you go for, you’re always going to be susceptible to the quality of your hiring. Hire good people, do well. Don’t, and you don’t.

Yep, nobody ever brings up the chronic failure at the majority of clubs run on those models. It's always the handful that are successful. Usually Brentford and Brighton who pump huge sums into recruitment through a loophole in FFP (which allows for financial doping via owners other interests). United have actually had one of the most successful off field structures per £ over the last decade. Nobody ever mentions that, it's the pie in the sky Brentfords/Brightons that skew all serious analysis that are referenced ad nauseum

I'm as worried on COHS so called "modern recruitment' (that worked well), the academy exodus and the failure to advance the academy project (afaik) as I am about anything else. Wilder has been totally vindicated in not wanting to carry the can for the summer approach. That was wisdom on his part. He looked at it and saw straight through it. He'd now be getting blamed for that shit show. A key weakness in the model by the way. Who else is losing their job alongside Selles?

 

[nopigfansintown]

At the moment I'm that pissed off with our start I've not come to any decision about any particular candidate , but all you wilderists out there ( no disrespect but I'm not excited about anything) Cannon will be playing regularly ? as from the allegations we've all read on here he was a Chrissy signing and could end up as this season's JLT

He was COH's first permanent signing. By Wilderists I presume you mean "Blades".

 

[AWetFlannel]

Only ever in the short term. I can’t think of one club that hasn’t suffered a long term decline when it inevitably comes to an end.

True, but I can't think of one club that does nothing but succeed long term with a DoF and long term plan. Luton until recently? Preston maybe?

Eventually, for whatever reason, things just go to shit. Could be bad luck, bad managerial appointments, bad transfers, injuries. Even Man City's poor performances last season, how do we explain it, things just going a bit stale? Pep's wife leaving him?

Having a DoF and long term plan sounds better to me logically, it makes more sense. I'm just not sure I've seen it play out in practice to the extent of expect.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Don't mistake the internet for real life. 99.9% of Blades are absolutely delighted today. It's the biggest unifying decision they could've made amongst match going Blades fans. No doubt that was part of their calculus. A few weirdo edgelords posting internet rage bait are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Agreed that results wise it’s the correct call. Suppose we will never know if they were looking/speaking to interested parties during the international break in case they needed it. You can understand a 1-0 loss here or there but not a 5-0 and to keep doing the same thing over and over.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Don't mistake the internet for real life. 99.9% of Blades are absolutely delighted today. It's the biggest unifying decision they could've made amongst match going Blades fans. No doubt that was part of their calculus. A few weirdo edgelords posting internet rage bait are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I don't think 99.9% are delighted. There's a lot who don't think it's the right decision. But same as when he got sacked and Selles joined, the vast majority will get behind him and the team regardless.

 

[Torrix1889]

Can't see Wilder becoming Manager again as anything other than one step forward, (anything is an improvement on Selles) but ultimately 2 steps back in the medium to long term.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Selles being a disaster doesn’t mean that Wilder going was wrong. I think some are getting confused by what our ultimate goal is for a club of our size - to build a squad capable of staying up and competing in the Prem with a clear playing identity and transfer strategy. No one us saw us staying up under Wilder 2.0.

If Wilder does come back, it should only be till the end of the season, then review the situation at that point.

 

[Yoonitedite]

Do you not think there’s a reason he’s out of work?

He's so Sheffield United he's Sheffield Uniteded himself out of any other job it could seem

 

[nopigfansintown]

I don't think 99.9% are delighted. There's a lot who don't think it's the right decision. But same as when he got sacked and Selles joined, the vast majority will get behind him and the team regardless.

There's a strange internet edgelord cult but you won't find them at BL, and they were certainly noticeable by their absence at the away games, when Wilder's name was boomed out en masse by the Blades hardcore on multiple occasions. Ergo they're irrelevant.

 

[Razor_Blade]

As much as Wilder suits us as a club, we cannot just keep going back to him every time we get in trouble otherwise we'll never go forwards as a club.

Why not try repeating the trick we had with him in 2016, by going out and trying to find the next Chris Wilder.

How many managers did we have after Kevin Blackwell that were any good?

We can't just hire and fire until we stumble onto one.

The best Plan is wait until you have the one you absolutely want is available and interested before you make the change. This time it looks like we fires the took the one that was available who'd come and that won't do.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Don't mistake the internet for real life. 99.9% of Blades are absolutely delighted today. It's the biggest unifying decision they could've made amongst match going Blades fans. No doubt that was part of their calculus. A few weirdo edgelords posting internet rage bait are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, of course we’re all delighted Selles has gone…

 

[1066blade]

When wilder was sacked I celebrated like I had won the lottery. Now I feel like phoning the Samaritans

They can't help you. You just need to look deep into your soul, and realise Hillsborough is where your heart is. Now do one piggy.

 

[Shawy24]

So poxy wilder gets a tin pot team at home first game to grab an easy 3 points. Pity it wasn't against the likes of Norwich, Boro or West Brom to put wilder to the sword, so the crowd could chant 'getting sacked in the morning "

You really are a piggy WUM. No way anybody should relish playing a team managed by that viscous Welsh twat. Horrible man producing horrible in your face teams. And this season with actually reasonable recruitment.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Yes, of course we’re all delighted Selles has gone…

Yep, delighted Selles has gone and Wilder is back. 99% +

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

There's a strange internet edgelord cult but you won't find them at BL, and they were certainly noticeable by their absence at the away games, when Wilder's name was boomed out en masse by the Blades hardcore on multiple occasions. Ergo they're irrelevant.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think 99% have that opinion, home or away. It's your opinion and relevant, same as other people's opinion.

 

[unitedbhoy]

I was content with the decision to part ways in the summer as I could see the reasons for doing it, and the ultimate failure after the backing in the Jan transfer window and the collapse at the back end of the season. (Overall he did a very good job last season)

However in hindsight the right man wasn't chosen to follow him.

I am fully behind him coming back now I see no better man to come in and sort the mess that's been created since his departure.

Good luck to CW and UTB!!!

 

[The Crab]

He's so Sheffield United he's Sheffield Uniteded himself out of any other job it could seem

Not as daft as it might sound.

When I used to do the antique fairs it was something I was far more passionate about than working for someone else.

Maybe that mojo made him not quite the right fit at Boro and Watford. Although with the latter they go through managers that quick even Klopp would last five minutes

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Looks like Ruben's been sacked and Chris by all rumours seems to be back in charge.

Let me start this by saying I'm happy he's back in the immediate term and we look fucking hopeless and desperately need to get someone in charge who in knows what they're doing.

The Chris Wilder sticking plaster takes its third dawn.

Quite what the owners expected sacking him to try their own thing in the summer with no football people in between them absolutely beats me. He's a head coach. And he was tasked with changing our whole style and philosophy with 2 coaches and that's it.

Was he ever worthy of the United job? Probably not. Was he ever going to be given a fair crack of the whip by half the fanbase? Definitely not. So he was off on a bad footing anyway, paired with the above it was always doomed to fail.

The rhetoric around his sacking in the week or so leading up to it was that the board was 'split' - there's 7 board members making decisions. They need to entrust one man to make these calls, and I don't mean a manager. Football is too vast now, the manager has enough to focus on with just the team, this is why teams like Brighton, Bournemouth, actual progressive teams can lose a manager and carry on as before. Because there is structure around and above them allowing them to thrive. Unfortunately for Selles he never had that (whether he was up to the job or not).

The issue comes if it starts to go pear shaped with Chris, will they ever dare to sack him again?

I'm excited about him coming back IF we are putting together a football knowledgable team together at board level and below. It can't just be the 7 man board, Steve Bettis and Chris Wilder. Or we are destined to be only ever managed by people who 'know the club' and that gives you a very limited pool of people and most often none of them are exciting.

We're in some sort of Peterborough cinematic universe at the minute, where they can't get away from Darren Ferguson.

We can't keep going back to Chris Wilder. It just shows an ineptitude at board level from both this and the previous board in developing us as a football club to bring us in line with the 21st century. That needs to change, and I hope Chris is involved in making that happen. It's important there's some United DNA in making these decisions it seems.

Good luck Chris; you can't do any fucking worse!

I would swap out “sticking plaster” and replace it with the word defibrillator.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Because it's by far the best job he will be offered. His stock outside of S2 is lower than it's ever been. You only have to look at the reaction from fans when he's linked with them to see that.

He works for us but his reputation isn't great in wider football. He won't get another club with any chance of being in a promotion battle in this league any time soon so this is his best case

Boro fans really don’t like him and most just assume he’s a long ball merchant with a team of dirty cloggers.

If he can get us clogging this season it would be a 100% improvement on the first 5 games.

 

[Tom Bott]

When wilder was sacked I celebrated like I had won the lottery. Now I feel like phoning the Samaritans

Just focus on the good times, well they were for us

 

[nopigfansintown]

How many managers did we have after Kevin Blackwell that were any good?

We can't just hire and fire until we stumble onto one.

The best Plan is wait until you have the one you absolutely want is available and interested before you make the change. This time it looks like we fires the took the one that was available who'd come and that won't do.

The truth is that United bettering Wilder is very difficult as he's an excellent manager. It's not impossible but very difficult as the managers better than him usually have better options. If Nuno would come (for example) that'd be worth exploring. That's the level we're talking at to get a proven better manager. The rest are massive Sellesesque gambles. Could work but you're making a big gamble. Mousinho, Rohl etc.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Yep, delighted Selles has gone and Wilder is back. 99% +

Wilder has become a better manager by simply sitting on his sofa.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Why would you want a DoF?

So Wilder gets nowhere near the purse strings.

Think Jack and the Beanstalk

 

[nopigfansintown]

I think you're kidding yourself if you think 99% have that opinion, home or away. It's your opinion and relevant, same as other people's opinion.

I must've have imagined his name booming out from the away ends and BL . All the gutted people over the summer and the huge Blades Whatsapp groups that are unanimously buzzing today are also all in my imagination...
The anti Wilders are in a pitiful minority. They really struggle to accept that reality.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Wilder has become a better manager by simply sitting on his sofa.

It tends to be the way. Excellent managers are extremely difficult to replace. United have never done it.