CONFIRMED Chris Wilder 3.0 - Returns for the third spell.

[bakeblade]

Sticking plaster no..... adrenaline shot to the heart yes, Chris knows the club inside out and a lot of the players, he will get instant results, win 3 on the bounce and we go into the top 10, regroup then get to top six, then who knows, he is a mgr that can , and will do this

More like a tourniquet than a sticking plaster

 

[54yrblade]

Planet Earth.
The Board have completely messed up the summer, and need to eat some humble pie. They need to honest with Wilder that they’ve made a big mistake.
The squad is, in my opinion, good enough to make the play off positions from here, and those still with us from last season show some evidence of being fitter as a result of this preseason than the last. Wilder knows many of the players, and will have been watching us intently over the preseason and the season so far, just like most of the rest of us. He knows the division well. He will know a lot about many of the new recruits. He can hit the ground running.
Yes it’s a big ask to get promoted from this position, but it’s a very long way from impossible. He’s being rerecruited as only one of a few for whom this might be a reasonable ask. I’m certainly not ready to wave the white flag on this season already, and I very much doubt that Wilder is.

I said elsewhere that, after all the changes from board level down and the huge turnover of players, that 6th to 12th would be about right for this season. Whether It's CW back or another manager, that squad have enough talent to go there.

They also have enough talent and effort there to do much better than they have so far this season.

Time will tell, I guess.

 

[Frank the tank]

You are aware that Sunderland also wanted to win?

Didn't look like it for 75 minutes
Got complete stage fright

 

[nopigfansintown]

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What about it ?

 

[luffenhamblade]

And if I was Wilder I'd be asking what planet you're living on after sacking me 4 months ago and seeing us waste an entire pre-season and lose the first 5 games where we don't even look like we have 11 players on the pitch, let alone score a goal or scrape a draw.

Yes, in any normal world that would be the case and to be fair ir is the lot of a football manager. There is one thing that changes it (and no it's not a reason to appoint him but it is a reason why he might accept after being treated this way) and that is that he's a blade and we know what that means.

 

[bath_blade]

Its already being suggested there is split at Board level about bringing him back

This is the most worrying aspect. Radio 5-Live had a little piece on SUFC yesterday where they interviewed a Radio Sheffield journalist - I can't remember his name - who said that the decision making process at SUFC is complicated. There was an undercurrent against CW last season and the decision had already been made to change manager at the end of the season whatever the outcome of the season.

It would seem that this faction held sway on a number of matters and the oweners listened to them - or rather their point of view held sway.

I would guess that their stock would seem to be low at the moment - but that there is a split at board level fits with this.

The owners need to sort the board out as once a decision is made then everyone should move forwards supporting that decision.

I would go as far as saying that there will be no real success unless there is collective responsibility at board level.

I suspect (hope?) that the owners already know this and were trying to work out the best way to address the issue - if CW starts getting results then they will have their answer.

 

[Andy67]

Completely incorrect!

If I work for a company and the pay to get rid then they don’t own my power to labour. In local governments and schools they do. If you go from a school after excepting voluntary redundancy and get a job at another then you lose your payout. I don’t expect Wilder will get it if he comes back but he’ll probably negotiate part of it.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

And if I was Wilder I'd be asking what planet you're living on after sacking me 4 months ago and seeing us waste an entire pre-season and lose the first 5 games where we don't even look like we have 11 players on the pitch, let alone score a goal or scrape a draw.

Getting to 6th would be a remarkable achievement but when it's "only" 9 points people might downplay it. When you see how we have performed it's clear we are/were miles away from last year but then the sides below us points tally were miles below what we achieved.

There's no Leeds/Burnley style run away in this league imo so who knows but I am not expecting miracles!

 

[bladesmanluke]

So poxy wilder gets a tin pot team at home first game to grab an easy 3 points. Pity it wasn't against the likes of Norwich, Boro or West Brom to put wilder to the sword, so the crowd could chant 'getting sacked in the morning "

Wanting our new manager to fail. You're very odd

 

[bruce]

But we did more than we did the last time Wilder got us promoted, the results were better.

One is ultimately successful and the other is ultimately not, but to call Wilder a genius for one and inept for the other is just simple.

They were better overall. 92 points as against 89 points backs that up.
However in the 2018-19 promotion season we did quite a lot better in games against those clubs around us in the table. We got 17 points against the sides that finished in the top 6 in that season, as against 11 points against top 6 finishing sides last season.
And looking at the other 3 sides who finished in the top 4 last season we registered just one win. In 2018-19 we won 3 matches against sides finishing around us in the top 4.
Last season we weren't good at winning the real crunch games and we also lost games against lower placed teams when it really mattered. In both of those aspects we were far better in 2018-19.

 

[Macfarlane21]

Congratulations to those who voted by November

 

[Colombia Blade]

Haven't read all the latest updates, but is there any indication Wilder actually wants to come back? Why would he agree to come back somewhere he knows/thinks he's not wanted? I don't know why he was sacked, maybe last season was considered a failure, maybe they just wanted a fresh change or maybe CoH want a structure/system that Wilder simply couldn't/wouldn't agree to (DoF/AI recruitment/etc). Whatever the reason I assume still exists, so why would Wilder think coming back is not just waiting for another sacking?

 

[Oreyt]

Been told by a mate who knows his family that he's back.

 

[Roygbiv]

Haven't read all the latest updates, but is there any indication Wilder actually wants to come back? Why would he agree to come back somewhere he knows/thinks he's not wanted? I don't know why he was sacked, maybe last season was considered a failure, maybe they just wanted a fresh change or maybe CoH want a structure/system that Wilder simply couldn't/wouldn't agree to (DoF/AI recruitment/etc). Whatever the reason I assume still exists, so why would Wilder think coming back is not just waiting for another sacking?

Because it's by far the best job he will be offered. His stock outside of S2 is lower than it's ever been. You only have to look at the reaction from fans when he's linked with them to see that.

He works for us but his reputation isn't great in wider football. He won't get another club with any chance of being in a promotion battle in this league any time soon so this is his best case

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[AWetFlannel]

They were better overall. 92 points as against 89 points backs that up.
However in the 2018-19 promotion season we did quite a lot better in games against those clubs around us in the table. We got 17 points against the sides that finished in the top 6 in that season, as against 11 points against top 6 finishing sides last season.
And looking at the other 3 sides who finished in the top 4 last season we registered just one win. In 2018-19 we won 3 matches against sides finishing around us in the top 4.
Last season we weren't good at winning the real crunch games and we also lost games against lower placed teams when it really mattered. In both of those aspects we were far better in 2018-19.

I agree, I don't think comparing seasons as I have done is flawless analysis.

My point is that the manager in one season was a tactical wonder, produced incredible play, inspiring management, great interviews and manager of the year, and the other is an incompetent, bottleless, tactically inept, unprofessional dinosaur and thug.

It's the same bloke. He's a good manager at this level. There was certainly an argument to make a change in the summer, and I don't want Wilder back now because of all the moaning and division it'll inevitably bring, but let's stop the bipolar, reactionary takes. You can think he's a decent manager and want us to move on regardless, you don't NEED to paint him as the devil.

 

[Bladesman1968]

What ever happens and who ever they fetch in as manger we are Bladesmen through and through win lose or draw well still be back for more UTB

 

[Bladesman1968]

What ever happens and who ever they fetch in as manger we are Bladesmen through and through win lose or draw well still be back for more UTB

 

[MTBlade]

Been told by a mate who knows his family that he's back.

Well at least we will get to know all the clubs business now he's back

 

[Frank the tank]

Haven't read all the latest updates, but is there any indication Wilder actually wants to come back? Why would he agree to come back somewhere he knows/thinks he's not wanted? I don't know why he was sacked, maybe last season was considered a failure, maybe they just wanted a fresh change or maybe CoH want a structure/system that Wilder simply couldn't/wouldn't agree to (DoF/AI recruitment/etc). Whatever the reason I assume still exists, so why would Wilder think coming back is not just waiting for another sacking?

He is coming back mate

 

[Silky Sabella]

Wanting our new manager to fail. You're very odd

 

[Shawy24]

Heard there’s a party round at Chris’s tonight.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I agree, I don't think comparing seasons as I have done is flawless analysis.

My point is that the manager in one season was a tactical wonder, produced incredible play, inspiring management, great interviews and manager of the year, and the other is an incompetent, bottleless, tactically inept, unprofessional dinosaur and thug.

It's the same bloke. He's a good manager at this level. There was certainly an argument to make a change in the summer, and I don't want Wilder back now because of all the moaning and division it'll inevitably bring, but let's stop the bipolar, reactionary takes. You can think he's a decent manager and want us to move on regardless, you don't NEED to paint him as the devil.

Genuinely, I'm not sure he is the same bloke this time around (obviously physically he is!); his tactics have become largely negative and if he continues that approach I'd be hugely surprised if we had anything like the results of last season. I just think mentally he's not where he was 5/6 years ago, it clearly takes its toll on him. Him being a blade has its positives, I get it, but sometimes I think he struggles to be dispassionate when it's needed, to the detriment of him and the team. That said, clearly it's going to be him and so despite my frustrations, we'll just have to see how this is going to be structured. I would hope if he's coming back there are some caveats and middle ground reached on future-proofing and structure, because this one man does everything approach just isn't healthy for anyone.

 

[Silky Sabella]

When wilder was sacked I celebrated like I had won the lottery. Now I feel like phoning the Samaritans

 

[Berkshire Blade]

When wilder was sacked I celebrated like I had won the lottery. Now I feel like phoning the Samaritans

That's Because you are a sheffielld Wednesday fan joined to wind blades up after we beat you

 

[AWetFlannel]

Genuinely, I'm not sure he is the same bloke this time around (obviously physically he is!); his tactics have become largely negative and if he continues that approach I'd be hugely surprised if we had anything like the results of last season. I just think mentally he's not where he was 5/6 years ago, it clearly takes its toll on him. Him being a blade has its positives, I get it, but sometimes I think he struggles to be dispassionate when it's needed, to the detriment of him and the team. That said, clearly it's going to be him and so despite my frustrations, we'll just have to see how this is going to be structured. I would hope if he's coming back there are some caveats and middle ground reached on future-proofing and structure, because this one man does everything approach just isn't healthy for anyone.

It's fair to argue that he's changed and perhaps isn't as good a manager now for whatever reason.

I disagree that his tactics have become negative but agree that a proper plan and structure should be the long term goal. I think the "one man show" approach can be healthy, as it was for us recently, but if they're going to sack the manager every time they hit a bad ran of form or miss out on a target, it's clearly not sustainable, joined-up thinking.

 

[Slim Man]

Football is overthought.

Just appoint a guy who wins football matches.

I keep hearing about a DoF. When the players he brought in don’t perform, does he get sacked too? Or does he always have a get out and blame the manager?

What happens when the DoF leaves? Or does he have to remain under lock and key? Aren’t up just as susceptible to the whims of the next guy?

Celtic have recruitment managed outside of just the Manager. What Rodgers produces an absolute shit show in Europe, he’s straight in there criticising the club’s recruitment.

Whichever model you go for, you’re always going to be susceptible to the quality of your hiring. Hire good people, do well. Don’t, and you don’t.

Yeah, it's not real. That explains why Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton continue this conveyor belt of churning out talent, despite the management, despite the fact they keep selling their best players (for huge profit)

It's just a myth

 

[nopigfansintown]

I agree, I don't think comparing seasons as I have done is flawless analysis.

My point is that the manager in one season was a tactical wonder, produced incredible play, inspiring management, great interviews and manager of the year, and the other is an incompetent, bottleless, tactically inept, unprofessional dinosaur and thug.

It's the same bloke. He's a good manager at this level. There was certainly an argument to make a change in the summer, and I don't want Wilder back now because of all the moaning and division it'll inevitably bring, but let's stop the bipolar, reactionary takes. You can think he's a decent manager and want us to move on regardless, you don't NEED to paint him as the devil.

Don't mistake the internet for real life. 99.9% of Blades are absolutely delighted today. It's the biggest unifying decision they could've made amongst match going Blades fans. No doubt that was part of their calculus. A few weirdo edgelords posting internet rage bait are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Dkc]

So poxy wilder gets a tin pot team at home first game to grab an easy 3 points. Pity it wasn't against the likes of Norwich, Boro or West Brom to put wilder to the sword, so the crowd could chant 'getting sacked in the morning "

Hope you're fully backing Wilder now, just as the Wilder-out brigade insisted everyone should get behind Selles (which they did).

 

[S12blades]

When wilder was sacked I celebrated like I had won the lottery. Now I feel like phoning the Samaritans

Haha and when I found out I was the opposite to you, hated the new owners and wanted our season ticket money back, we are 70 ( pensioners ) also Selles was for me terrible