We’re paying for 2 managers

[luffenhamblade]

Let's just make him manager forever then

?????? I'm not sure of your point. I was just answering the question from my perspective. Are you ok?

 

[PrestwichBlade]

?????? I'm not sure of your point. I was just answering the question from my perspective. Are you ok?

Yes, I'm fine. Apologies, I suppose I wasn't just replying to you, more generally to those who are clamouring to have him back come what may

 

[South Sea Blade]

Genuinely, if Wilder came back, I give up

Please Chrissy come back just so that this post becomes reality.

 

[JustLookin]

There’s a section of our fan base that’s a right set of fannies.

 

[diplomat]

Farke available soon after loosing 5.0 to Arsenal.

I think that’s largely expected for a newly promoted clubs these days tbf

 

[VwBlade]

Wilder is undoubtedly a club legend who deserves respect..unfortunately I feel that ship has sailed now. You might go back to an ex once but you'd never go back twice. Selles was always going to be a gamble and it's already looking like a failed gamble and a major brain fart by the owners. The board should act now and start sounding out Dyche and Cooper for the job. Cooper would probably be the more likely to get us promoted, Dyche would be the more likely to keep us up.

 

[blade too long]

I think he's already had that and fucked it up fairly recently

90 points after 16 the previous season ..fucked it up...really

 

[metalblade]

Wilder has more pay outs than the lottery

 

[Cheesebored]

Wilder has more pay outs than the lottery

Every thread. Rent free.

 

[Dkc]

Selles might not be the answer.

I don’t think Wilder is either unfortunately.

It’s a big world out there, other managers are available.

The question is, who would walk into this shitshow?

Possibly Wilder. Definitely numerous lower league or foreign managers. But forget about Cooper, Dyche or any other outstanding manager who's currently out of work. They will take one look at the situation here and think 'I don't fancy that'.

Plus we can't afford them. If we sack Selles we are presumably paying him off too. Forget Cooper or Dyche. Think the Stockport manager.

 

[Need4speed]

We are in a position most expected us to be in last season and it is to Wilders credit we weren't. He got us of to a great start despite having to rebuild. But since then we have sold the spine of that team. I have no idea whether Selles is ultimately the right choice. But i don't think even Wilder would have done much better given the sales this summer. Maybe the reason he went was because he would not agree to them or saw rthe writing on the wall and thought fuck it.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I predicted this shit show at the time the huge mistake was made to bring Wilder back - the posts are still there for anyone who cares to look them up. Once the “identity” of the club becomes completely focused on one person and a cult develops around them a club is in serious trouble once that person inevitably move on. I always feared for whoever the initial replacement was and said quite recently that they would likely only be here for a short period of time because they were on a hiding to nothing.

We’ve seen it before with Man Utd post Ferguson and Arsenal post Wenger. Once an individual has been allowed to develop that much power within the club the transition from them is always going to bring with it loads of pain. It’s an unhealthy situation.

Bringing Wilder back would be the worst possible thing that could happen for the long term health of this club as it would simply result in the same again the next time he inevitably departs. Selles appears to have been the wrong choice, but I never expected the first post Wilder manager to last very long anyway. What matters now is the future. As a club we are in a period of transition. That’s fine, all clubs go through them, and the club desperately needed modernising in all respects. It is to be hoped the owners have learned some lessons when it comes to the next managerial appointment (and a DoF is definitely needed) but, even more, the fans need to accept that we are now in the post Wilder era, accept that transitions such as we are going through come with short term pain and get firmly behind whoever comes next.

 

[Bell4]

Wilders stock with other clubs is rising day by day thanks to the current shambles

 

[Bell4]

I predicted this shit show at the time the huge mistake was made to bring Wilder back - the posts are still there for anyone who cares to look them up. Once the “identity” of the club becomes completely focused on one person and a cult develops around them a club is in serious trouble once that person inevitably move on. I always feared for whoever the initial replacement was and said quite recently that they would likely only be here for a short period of time because they were on a hiding to nothing.

We’ve seen it before with Man Utd post Ferguson and Arsenal post Wenger. Once an individual has been allowed to develop that much power within the club the transition from them is always going to bring with it loads of pain. It’s an unhealthy situation.

Bringing Wilder back would be the worst possible thing that could happen for the long term health of this club as it would simply result in the same again the next time he inevitably departs. Selles appears to have been the wrong choice, but I never expected the first post Wilder manager to last very long anyway. What matters now is the future. As a club we are in a period of transition. That’s fine, all clubs go through them, and the club desperately needed modernising in all respects. It is to be hoped the owners have learned some lessons when it comes to the next managerial appointment (and a DoF is definitely needed) but, even more, the fans need to accept that we are now in the post Wilder era, accept that transitions such as we are going through come with short term pain and get firmly behind whoever comes next.

Yup

Spot on

 

[SwissBlade]

I seriously doubt Wilder has been paid off. It mainly works in football these days that they’re paid till they find another job. Garden leave if you like.

So we’re paying for two managers. Wilder and Selles. Which one should be on garden leave?

We’re paying him anyway. Get him back. The wrong one is on garden leave.

I think it’s normally a 6-12 month golden handcuff type deal

 

[bladesince64]

I never wanted Wilder to leave (on either/both occasions)) and I would take him back in a heartbeat and I'm not going to quote ad nauseam about all the ways in which he transformed the club because it's all been said before.

In my 50 years of Bladeness hes given me the most pride and pleasure (no not prejudice)

l'm a Wilderphile - there, I've said it.

However, having said all that, I do agree with NJ about the fact that one successful individual can take over the whole ethos of a club to such an extent that it becomes very unhealthy for all concerned and when it comes to an end it's almost inevitable that a total clearance is needed.

I think CW probably did know that some of the quality players wanted to move on and I think that may have affected his departure (albeit his narrative of it being unexpected I feel is possibly exaggerated) and the way in which the new owners have been agonisingly slow at replacing the squad departures has thrown Selles under the bus completely so hes not solely to blame for our current slump.

A further clearout may still be necessary if some of the existing players aren't prepared to adapt 100% to the new system and some more quality incomings will be in the works I'm sure of that. If not we are truly fucked.

A new era is definitely here and theres no point looking back imo. (difficult though that is for me to accept)

Wether RS is the man to take us back to Championship top 6 / promotion challengers is looking increasingly doubtful as I believe the clock is ticking down for him as we speak.

Rant/ramble over.

 

[Tom Bott]

Wilder has more pay outs than the lottery

What pay outs has Selles had from Southampton Reading and Hull ?

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[Nick Jansky]

What pay outs has Selles had from Southampton Reading and Hull ?

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Probably the ones stipulated in his contracts. Same as all managers. What’s your point?

 

[Tom Bott]

Probably the ones stipulated in his contracts. Same as all managers. What’s your point?

People who infer that somehow Chris Wilder shouldn't have any contract terminated pay outs.
Has anyone ever asked how much Slavisa Jokanovic's pay out was?
Yet the Wilder detractors always trot out the 'he trousered x' line.

 

[Nick Jansky]

People who infer that somehow Chris Wilder shouldn't have any contract terminated pay outs.
Has anyone ever asked how much Slavisa Jokanovic's pay out was?
Yet the Wilder detractors always trot out the 'he trousered x' line.

Ah, ok. I’m not sure anyone would have mentioned his pay offs if there hadn’t been two of them so close together, but otherwise a fair point, if he was contractually entitled there’s nothing to moan about.

 

[Tom Bott]

If only the figures were available to perform a 'Chris Wilder' profit and loss account.
Even allowing for the Cannon, Brewster, McBurnie and Lys Mousset 'losses' as many like to call them, I think Wilder would still show a multi million pound profit for the club.

 

[Speight]

Absolutely. Fully agree. Wilder generated hundreds of millions through the initial promotion to the prem, then staying in the prem, and then the second promotion being built on the back of this first promotion, (not taking anything away from Hecky's achievement in getting us promoted).