Outgoing? Ruben Selles

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3Cheers4Ramirez said:
There's time for it to change more in our favour, but yes, they are strong, and to finish above them we'd have to find a similar grinding consistency to last season. Big ask now, but there's no way we shouldn't be aiming at that part of the league
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Yeah I agree with that, we definitely need to be aiming for top 6, but I'm surprised by just how far away we are squad quality wise from them and Ipswich particularly. Leicester also for all their faults still have Fatawu.
 
Not sure he will even last till Christmas at this rate lol Is Wilder still unattached haha
 
To flip a coin on it, I would edge my bets on his last game could be Charlton, if we are still sat on zero points, which up to now, looking at the games before this fixture, we could be?

Just my on view on it.
 
I don’t blame Selles, he’s doing his best. He may still turn it around if we get some players in?

I think responsibility lies with the owners.
If they were serious about promotion then for me Cooper or Dyche.

We don’t know if these two were even considered or interviewed? I just feel we would be in better shape if one of these were in charge
 
There is more of the same to come >

“But we are going to be honest✅, we are going to work hard✅, we are going to persist in what we do✅, and we are going to give it 100 per cent.✅
 
Kevincarterversion2.0 said:
The players look like they are responding to Selles like the England squad did to Capello. They clearly don’t like his ideas and maybe don’t like him as a person. I’d be surprised is Selles lasts until the end of September.
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well if the rumours are to be believed this could well be the case also rumours that selles coaching staff not popular either and it certainly looks like the players are not exactly busting a gut for selles have to say i was still quite optimistic of a response yesterday from last saturday's debacle and thought we could win but it was the complete opposite at least half the team just didnt look interested its getting worrying already selles could well be gone in a couple of games if things dont pick up
 
Slim Man said:
That said, look at Southampton's bench vs our starting XI. BBD and Archer didn't even make the squad.

To be that far away in terms of quality is absolutely mind boggling.
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I may have been seeing things but Archer came on today.
 
Rodley said:
8 games to go, but early signs are that the job is too big for him. He’s only been managing first team football since November 2022.
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Maybe so, but in fairness to him, he needs at least 6/7 more players....which with this shower who owns us he ain't going to get, theve hung him out to dry!
 
ancientblade said:
well if the rumours are to be believed this could well be the case also rumours that selles coaching staff not popular either and it certainly looks like the players are not exactly busting a gut for selles have to say i was still quite optimistic of a response yesterday from last saturday's debacle and thought we could win but it was the complete opposite at least half the team just didnt look interested its getting worrying already selles could well be gone in a couple of games if things dont pick up
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Even if the rumours are true (a big if) it doesn’t mean the players are right and Selles is wrong. Look at the cult of personality Wilder has amongst the fanbase, now imagine how amplified that would be within the club. It could be that certain players and stuff were comfortable with how things were, and any change, no matter how logical, would be resisted.

With a close knit group such as footballers, it only takes a couple of senior players (ones that perhaps now find themselves on the bench) to stir the pot and sew division. Speaking as someone that came to manage a team whom had worked together for years and free to do what they wanted, I know first hand how suspicious and toxic towards any new personnel or ideas established groups can be.
 
Wed better hope the rumours aren't true. Both Hamer and Campbell were well below par on Saturday and if that's because "they've mentally left already" we are in big trouble. Let's hope its just 'teething problems'' with the new system
 

A Storm of Blades said:
Even if the rumours are true (a big if) it doesn’t mean the players are right and Selles is wrong. Look at the cult of personality Wilder has amongst the fanbase, now imagine how amplified that would be within the club. It could be that certain players and stuff were comfortable with how things were, and any change, no matter how logical, would be resisted.

With a close knit group such as footballers, it only takes a couple of senior players (ones that perhaps now find themselves on the bench) to stir the pot and sew division. Speaking as someone that came to manage a team whom had worked together for years and free to do what they wanted, I know first hand how suspicious and toxic towards any new personnel or ideas established groups can be.
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So you think the senior players are stitching him up?
 
Eddiecolquhounsleg said:
So you think the senior players are stitching him up?
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No, not necessarily. Firstly, I’m not sure I even believe the rumours, it reeks of someone stirring shit for clicks. Secondly, even if there is discontent, there’s multiple explanations to go along with “because he’s crap”. As I tried to explain, a well-established group’s resistance to any sort of change is a well established psychological phenomenon.
 
A Storm of Blades said:
Speaking as someone that came to manage a team whom had worked together for years and free to do what they wanted, I know first hand how suspicious and toxic towards any new personnel or ideas established groups can be.
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I’m going through this at the moment and don’t know if that’s what’s making me a bit more sympathetic to Selles struggles. The lot I’ve got here get the right sulk on when you ask them to maintain the most basic of standards.

Can see signs of the same with some of the players like Campbell & Robinson.
 
KMC-1889 said:
I’m going through this at the moment and don’t know if that’s what’s making me a bit more sympathetic to Selles struggles. The lot I’ve got here get the right sulk on when you ask them to maintain the most basic of standards.

Can see signs of the same with some of the players like Campbell & Robinson.
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I sympathise! I basically had to break the culture. Partly through accepting I was going to be the villain, but mainly by recruiting new people into the team and evolving the culture organically. Feels like Selles (and you!) might need to do the same.
 
I wasn’t opposed to wilder leaving, but it was purely on the idea that we’d play winning football that was exciting to watch. 92 points was incredible and to be honest you get the points first worry about the performance later, however I felt that style of football would be totally and utterly exposed at a higher level and I’d lost faith in wilders ability to be able to change things if it got hairy in the future.

Fast forward what we have now is a relatively green manager at this level, whose previous jobs have been essentially caretaking clubs in crisis, this was the first mistake.

Secondly, we have driven the age of this squad down to a ridiculously low number, our signings for “the future” are now signings expected to play. We have very little experience running through the team and in all honesty look like lightweight teenagers playing against men. The second mistake. Aside from Campbell, Robinson, Cooper and Hamer I’m not sure I’d want any of the others in the trenches with me, and only three of those should be starting in a team vying for promotion.

Lastly, it’s too late now IMO to buy in experience, leadership and more importantly character that sort of stuff takes time to cultivate, we took our eye off the “Need experienced British shithouses” because it wasn’t pragmatic enough and instead tried a really shite half way house version of buy young potential from all over the place like Chelsea have, without the buying of course, at a discount level and with no actual infrastructure to support foreign non-English speakers trying to play as part of a team.

We are, leaderless, confused, lightweight, and inexperienced in all departments, but at least we press. It’s there all to see on a recent inside training video, where two players are using a trampoline to jump other each others heads, and ignoring the coach who’s telling them to stop. All for fun but it’s ill-disciplined and poorly managed, many in the team no longer have seasoned pros to show them how to grow up.
 
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Ranmoorblade said:
How come Swansea cleared a shot off the line if it wasn’t on target?
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Dunno, maybe it was off target and deflected toward the net...

Never mind, we were the worst I've seen us since Weir...

Some players looked totally lost, some dont know when to run forward, and everybody avoided the box like there was a fucking zombie at centre half that would infect them in extra time..

All jokes aside, we dont panic that throw in and just wait till another player was in clear space, we get a point at Swansea...

They were absolutely terrible after the intitial flurry at the start, but we didn't know what we were even trying to do..

Dont be to hard on the players, I genuinely dont think its down to them..
 
Torrix1889 said:
I was 100% Wilder out and I stand by that completely.

If he wants to come i would ride my BMX to wherever he is and give Steve Cooper a backie to BDTBL today.

Selles isn't up to it.
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Cooper was sounded out about the job. He won't be coming here, and likely wouldn't ever touch us with a bargepole.
 
PaddysMad said:
Hull only stayed up on goal difference Hull fan posted it was dross and tactics when he was there.
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To be honest I would take staying up or getting promoted by goal difference, not bothered about the style of play its the points and the + & - at the end of the season that counts.
 

Eddiecolquhounsleg said:
So you think the senior players are stitching him up?
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I think they are. The players are much better than they are showing. We saw that last season.

But, we also saw the drop off in games, the heads going down, fitness issues, not being able to recover from a deficit and Wilder leaving seems to have been the latest excuse to 'phone it in' but on a more dramatic scale.

All that bullish language from Wilder, culture, strength all turns out to be a load of hot air, and proved to be so at the thick end of last season.

They're either bottling a battle, again, or simply unwilling to listen to anyone else.

Neither is acceptable from well paid professional footballers.

They didn't buy into a culture, they bought in to a cult, and it's the same with a sizeable proportion of the fan base too.

If anyone makes a company or club all about 'them', all we're seeing is the natural results of them not being there any longer.

The players have the power to remove a manger, but all I'm seeing is chronic self interest, lack of concern for United and kids throwing their teddies out of the pram.
 
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