GoalWatch vs Bristol City

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

I wrote in the pre match view from Bristol thread I'm not too worried about Seriki and Brooks on our right Robbo and Burrows on the left is a bigger worry for me. I thought Burrows was possibly our worst defender but most will blame RND I don't take any pleasure in saying all the goals from open play came down our left side of defence.
 

Bergen Blade said:
I'm not great at analysing goalkeepers. But his view was blocked by the two BC in front of our wall. What should he have done? Not sure he saw the actual kick:

View attachment 218857
Click to expand...

I think it was very obvious where Twine was going to put it. So, irrespective of the wall and any blocking, it was strange that Copper seemed wrong-footed.

I can only assume that he thought the wall was enough to cover that side of the goal (which it obviously wasn’t).
 
Bergen Blade said:
I'm not great at analysing goalkeepers. But his view was blocked by the two BC in front of our wall. What should he have done? Not sure he saw the actual kick:

View attachment 218857
Click to expand...

You make the point in the OP, but it is a very short wall, I think there's only one over 6ft 0 in there?

It's a cracking strike, but our recruitment has made the odds of anyone lifting the ball over the wall considerably easier.
 
Geordie Blade said:
I think it was very obvious where Twine was going to put it. So, irrespective of the wall and any blocking, it was strange that Copper seemed wrong-footed.

I can only assume that he thought the wall was enough to cover that side of the goal (which it obviously wasn’t).
Click to expand...
I think he's just trying to see the ball.

It was similar to Morten Gamst Pedersen's winning goal against us at Ewood Park in 2007. I was behind the goal that day and wanted us to put a man on the line.
 
Bell4 said:
Agree

But whats the likleyhood we can pull the type of players Wilder did , and blend a winning team , this time ?

🕰️ will tell
Click to expand...
Might also be worth noting as well, but our last 2 promotion season also got off to losing starts.

18/19: 2-1 loss to Swansea (H), I think a loss to Middlesbrough (A) as well but I can't remember the score, then a 2-1 win at QPR (A)

22/23: 1-0 loss to Watford (A), then a 2-0 win against Millwall (H).
 
Bergen Blade said:
I think he's just trying to see the ball.

It was similar to Morten Gamst Pedersen's winning goal against us at Ewood Park in 2007. I was behind the goal that day and wanted us to put a man on the line.
Click to expand...

I agree, but I still think he should have been geared up to dive to his right. When I was watching I thought “Twine’s going to go for that corner, but it’s fine because Cooper will fly across and I’m confident he’ll keep it out”. Instead, Cooper looked stunned that it went to that side.
 
Why not accept it was a great strike( which he scored)
The ball dipped dramatically when clear of the walls a strike similar to a more famous player who we all Know ! Who has done it often over the years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dkc
Rodley said:
It felt a bit like the fanciful notions of only signing young, inexperienced players, thinking we’ve discovered the emperors new clothes in AI (when everyone else has used it for years as standard) and the transfer business being too little & too late collided with an organised and hardnosed midtable Champ outfit. They just saw our obvious weaknesses and opened us up.

Should hopefully focus the minds of the powers that be a little, but was a tough one to endure. I do worry the tactical balance of this new system leaves us hugely exposed defensively - you could see this in the friendlies. I’m not sure a new centre half will wholly remedy this.
Click to expand...
Soumare' is looking like a key signing who needs to hit the ground running.
However he's young, inexperienced and never played in the championship. I'm not holding my breath.
 
Geordie Blade said:
I think it was very obvious where Twine was going to put it. So, irrespective of the wall and any blocking, it was strange that Copper seemed wrong-footed.

I can only assume that he thought the wall was enough to cover that side of the goal (which it obviously wasn’t).
Click to expand...
I agree Twine was always going to put it where it ended up. Felt Cooper should have been more central. He never moved so not sure if he was unsighted because he never moved. What was concerning was he was looking into bright sunshine and wasnt wearing a cap again. The game against Nice he did the same and struggled. Needs addressing.
 
The problem we are in has an added dynamic.

Since we didn't recruit and we offloaded 3 1st teamers, we have, what, 3 weeks left before the deadline closes?

Everyone but the club knows we need 2 CB's and a solid midfielder, and height.

But where are they at this stage? Is there quality at there to buy? Nope.

Are there players on the fringes of EPL teams we can bring in on loan? Maybe.

So, we are all clamouring for quaity additions but where on earth are they and at this stage will they turn this gap filled starting 11 into a promotion chasing team?

I seriously have my doubts that we can bring in quality players at this late stage of the transfer window and with the season just starting, other teams may want to wait before agreeing any loan.

And, just my opinion, the AI driven recruitment foundation is absolutely rediculous, it will never work.

toledo
 

First goal was a stupid free kick to concede, Cooper could have been positioned better but it was honestly just a great free kick.

Second Bindon should have put it out for a throw in instead of dithering about, after getting wrong side he should have just conceded a foul, poor tracking back by a lot of players, who could have helped clear it after RND briefly held up their attack.

Third, everyone on the left just followed the ball rather than showing any awareness of the players around them. Seriki could maybe have gone in to clear it, but that's 100% Bindon's job to stop their man getting it rather than two of them (or none of them) going for the same ball.

Fourth, a bad mistake and a lucky deflection, obviously RND's fault for that one but Twine was left in loads of space by Peck and Hamer.

We desperately need some pace, height and experience at the back, RND was a liability in the few games he played last season and physically doesn't have it anymore, he's trying his best but is horribly exposed whenever he plays and these tactics gave him no chance. Bindon is a bigger worry as he's presumably supposed to play a big part this season but he was slow and regularly lost his man, needs an experienced head next to him to tell him what to do and where to go.

Unless Soumare is superman who just sits rather than getting further forward like Peck, even two much better centre backs will struggle.
 
Russ said:
You don’t mention that the goalkeeper left such a gaping space to his right that it helped Twine to make his mind up where he was kicking it. I likeCooper but I think that was terrible goalkeeping. I bet I could have lifted it over the wall and into that big gap he left.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't blame Cooper for the goals at all but I came away with the feeling that Cooper of last season would, somehow, have saved the first three.
 
Felt the same about Cooper but I'm not the one to ask.
What I did note was the way we lined up for the start of the game with Bindon by himself on the edge of our penalty area and a three in front of him with Seriki on the right, Burrows in the middle and RND at, what I would call after watching them for more than seventy years, left back.
The other six were then roughly spread along the half way line. The ball was then passed back to Burrows who hoofed it out of play on the right wing.
From then on neither Burrows or Seriki (or anyone else eat the back) seemed to know where they were supposed to be. For most of the time in the first half Seriki and Burrows were so far forward that we were effectively playing with a back two for any sort of breakaway.
Selles seems to have bet our ranch and his future on scoring goals, a nice trick if it comes off.
 
I thought the only goal that genuinely seemed to be linked to our tactics backfiring was their 2nd, which came completely against the run of play at a point when we should have already capitalised and taken the lead. Instead we were momentarily left exposed and they punished us ruthlessly.

Their 3rd in particular seemed to be not really linked to tactics in my view as we had 7 Blades players inside the box at the moment the cross came in, and their striker ends up receiving the ball with enough time and space to pick his spot and score: at that point it’s not down to tactics, just people momentarily not doing their jobs well enough.

1754836575380.webp

Their 1st was a quality free-kick with all the caveats about the short wall, and poor defensive decision-making to give away the foul etc. mentioned earlier in the thread.

Their 4th is a lucky deflection.

The defence need to play better was my main take-away, rather than thinking Selles is playing suicidal tactics.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
First goal was a stupid free kick to concede, Cooper could have been positioned better but it was honestly just a great free kick.

Second Bindon should have put it out for a throw in instead of dithering about, after getting wrong side he should have just conceded a foul, poor tracking back by a lot of players, who could have helped clear it after RND briefly held up their attack.

Third, everyone on the left just followed the ball rather than showing any awareness of the players around them. Seriki could maybe have gone in to clear it, but that's 100% Bindon's job to stop their man getting it rather than two of them (or none of them) going for the same ball.

Fourth, a bad mistake and a lucky deflection, obviously RND's fault for that one but Twine was left in loads of space by Peck and Hamer.

We desperately need some pace, height and experience at the back, RND was a liability in the few games he played last season and physically doesn't have it anymore, he's trying his best but is horribly exposed whenever he plays and these tactics gave him no chance. Bindon is a bigger worry as he's presumably supposed to play a big part this season but he was slow and regularly lost his man, needs an experienced head next to him to tell him what to do and where to go.

Unless Soumare is superman who just sits rather than getting further forward like Peck, even two much better centre backs will struggle.
Click to expand...
The problems as I saw it were in how we were asked to play and the limits of our team selection.

1. When we get the ball at the back from the keeper or when we win it back deep and without much pressure. Burrows bombs forward into the opposition half and is expected to be a receiver of the ball. This means with the ball we were effectively playing with 3 at the back who after Bristol increased their pressing tempo were easy to counter attack against as RND moved wide.

2. Peck has been effective with Souza as a midfield partner with Souza as the more dominant defensive midfielder. Playing Peck as a sole defensive midfielder with Hamer and O'Hare in front of him would have been less of an issue if we hadn't been continually looking to stretch Bristol. Brooks and Barry were very wide. Burrows was forward, Seriki doesn't read the game of communicate well with the other defenders. So when we lost the ball it was open season as their was too much space given and a lack of players close enough to close it down.

3. Brooks and Barry did not work back enough at all. Barry was effective going forward but Brooks put in one of his I am not really bothered displays. He lacks consistency which is mainly down to a lack of application.

4. The substitutions. Seriki and Brooks going off was justified. How they were replaced is baffling. McCallum a left footer at right back having to play the ball inside when he got on it as Cannon was hugging the touchline. Cannon when he did get the ball was only firing it backwards. Remember the pass back to Cooper. Hopefully Selles realises what he did there.
One. is way too raw and wooden to be effective. Putting him out on loan is the best for him.

5. We were woefull at the edge of our own box. Giving the ball away cheaply, recovering it and then losing it again straight away. Hamers tackle to give the free kick away is a prime example. The location of it being so central it was difficult to defend against.

In summary were were understrength, disjointed and overly ambitious in how we played. O' Hare with Campbell less so were the only 2 to emerge with some kudos.
 
Bergen Blade said:
I'm not great at analysing goalkeepers. But his view was blocked by the two BC in front of our wall. What should he have done? Not sure he saw the actual kick:

View attachment 218857
Click to expand...
Look how deep the wall is. That wall is at 11/12 yards not 10. Also, one thing I did say yesterday is the pitch seemed very dry - I know its new but it was not rolling with pace and needs a lot more water on it for the game we play.
 
Bergen Blade said:
0-1 Twine, direct free kick.

The game's hardly started but our move breaks down and we're rushing back to stop their break. We seem to win it back, but then loses it again. Hamer had been making an impressive tracking run, but he shows poor defensive judgement when he rashly brings their player down.

View attachment 218832

From a defensive perspective this isn't unexpected from Hamer. The past few years he's been used to having a free role, where he's been allowed to use his flair and spend more energy and focus on creating chances, rather than defending with discipline.

Scott Twine is a free kick expert and our players should have been warned and determined not to give away free kicks just outside our box. The range is perfect. Our wall is on the short side. Cooper's view is blocked and Twine fires it into the net.


1-2 McCrorie, following a counter attack

We'd been on top for a while, playing some great football. Before this goal, again Hamer dropped deep to playmake, swapping positions with Peck. Hamer played a beautiful cross field ball to Brooks, but Brooks' ball to O'Hare was intercepted which set up their break.

Our team just fail to realise the danger. Bindon can't stop Riis Jacobsen and RND can only hold up Twine. Nobody gets back to track McCrorie's outside run and he can shoot without a challenge.

It is on Burrows' side. He was far up the pitch when we lost the ball, but can be seen jogging as they break. Hamer gets back, but is also seen jogging and can only cover for RND inside.

View attachment 218833

So that's two first half goals happening after Peck, our holding midfielder, swapped positions with Hamer. The aim is to let Hamer's playmaking brilliance help us get moves going. Peck is then asked to get into attacking positions, making off the ball runs that maybe Hamer don't have the stamina for - for 90 minutes at least. But it leaves us with Hamer the deepest of midfielders and he does have an attacking mind.

For the first goal he does try to back track. But having done that, he may think he's 'done enough' and rushes into the next challenge, got sidestepped and then brings their player down. A more conservative, orthodox holding midfielder with a shielding, defensive mindset may have tracked the run and kept his discipline for the second challenge.

For the second goal, if Hamer, our deepest positioned midfielder, had realised the danger he may have sprinted further back and contributed more to stopping that goal.

We were punished on those occasions, and Selles will have to rethink if we're going to continue playing like this, letting Hamer drop deep to playmake, and if so, also letting Peck bomb forward.


1-3 Mehmeti, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

We try to build from the back, and RND tries a longish pass upfield, but BC intercepts. Riis Jacobsen gets the ball on the right and with a burst of pace gets past three United players and finds Mehmeti in the box.

View attachment 218834

Following his poor pass RND want to make up for his mistake and he goes after the ball. As does Peck. It is all happening in Burrows' zone though, but he doesn't realise he's got to do something more than watching his teammates fail to stop Riis Jacobsen. ERJ crosses for his partner who gets away from Bindon and scores.


1-4 Twine, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

A BC attack sees RND pick up a poor pass and tries to start an attack. His poor pass is intercepted by their RWB and he finds Twine in the box. His shot gets a lucky deflection off Bindon and goes in.

Again we're a bit slow to realise the catastrophe. A frustrated Peck can be seen waving his arms as RND's pass is intercepted. A fully determined defensive midfielder should have sprinted to rescued the situation. Kante, maybe even Souza, would have got back to pick up Twine.


View attachment 218836

Peck has been a RCM, an 8, all his youth career. I thought he'd be the one to replace Berge (or Lundstram) in Wilder's team. Last season he did exceptionally well in a holding duo. Now he's being asked to be the lone holding player in a midfield three when the opposition attacks, but switch to a number 8 when Hamer decides he's going to dictate things. This forces him to switch between two roles, two mindsets, in a position that is pretty new to him. I think both O'Hare and Hamer are mediocre defensively.

I think it is asking a lot. I can see the attacking benefits of the rotation and fluidity, but I think Selles may have been a bit too ambitious, asking too many players to adapt too much, too soon. He will have to decide if we're going to stick with it, as it's the best way to learn fast; or if we have to simplify things a bit, and take things more gradually.
Click to expand...
Top post, appreciate the analysis.

I walked past a couple of tall Scandis on the way back to the station after the game, wasn't you was it?
 
Cheesebored said:
Yeah but 3-2 against a Champions league qualifier. It's all good.
Click to expand...
and we beat Fulham ;)

Bergen Blade said:
I'm not great at analysing goalkeepers. But his view was blocked by the two BC in front of our wall. What should he have done? Not sure he saw the actual kick:

View attachment 218857
Click to expand...
Cooper here was expecting the ball to come through the gap the BC No.5 would leave. I`m a bit 50/50 about the man on the floor I think its a waste but if Coops tells RND to move to the left or tells OHare to get up off the floor and stand between Hamer and RND to plug the hole better he can then move more to his right. Basically it was a brilliant Free Kick that gave the keeper an impossible task.
 
Bergen Blade said:
I think he's just trying to see the ball.

It was similar to Morten Gamst Pedersen's winning goal against us at Ewood Park in 2007. I was behind the goal that day and wanted us to put a man on the line.
Click to expand...

I don't understand why putting a man on the line for central freekicks where the taker can pick either corner to aim for isn't utilized anymore... 🤷‍♂️
 
jono_t2000 said:
I don't understand why putting a man on the line for central freekicks where the taker can pick either corner to aim for isn't utilized anymore... 🤷‍♂️
Click to expand...
It's a disadvantage that offside won't be possible, meaning the opposition can put a player right in front of the goalkeeper to block his vision even more. But they seem to have managed that anyway...

On occasions I've seen a man in the wall drop back quickly as it becomes obvious that the taker will go for a shot.
 

Bergen Blade said:
It's a disadvantage that offside won't be possible, meaning the opposition can put a player right in front of the goalkeeper to block his vision even more. But they seem to have managed that anyway...

On occasions I've seen a man in the wall drop back quickly as it becomes obvious that the taker will go for a shot.
Click to expand...

Exactly, you can quickly tell if they're going to take a direct shot vs a more creative style play.

It was 100% obvious that Twine was only going to take a shot.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

R
Kamikaze midfield
2
Replies
47
Views
2K
Millhousesblade1889
Millhousesblade1889
loyalblade95
Team for Rotherham
4 5 6
Replies
165
Views
23K
Tony_Kaufman
Tony_Kaufman
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou
Team vs Plymouth?
2
Replies
45
Views
3K
Tony_Kaufman
Tony_Kaufman
Deadbat
United 3 Bristol City 0 - report/ratings
Replies
13
Views
2K
Tony_Kaufman
Tony_Kaufman
Fjortoft's Aeroplane
Team for Cardiff
2 3
Replies
83
Views
5K
Pintor75
Pintor75

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom