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0-1 Twine, direct free kick.

The game's hardly started but our move breaks down and we're rushing back to stop their break. We seem to win it back, but then loses it again. Hamer had been making an impressive tracking run, but he shows poor defensive judgement when he rashly brings their player down.

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From a defensive perspective this isn't unexpected from Hamer. The past few years he's been used to having a free role, where he's been allowed to use his flair and spend more energy and focus on creating chances, rather than defending with discipline.

Scott Twine is a free kick expert and our players should have been warned and determined not to give away free kicks just outside our box. The range is perfect. Our wall is on the short side. Cooper's view is blocked and Twine fires it into the net.


1-2 McCrorie, following a counter attack

We'd been on top for a while, playing some great football. Before this goal, again Hamer dropped deep to playmake, swapping positions with Peck. Hamer played a beautiful cross field ball to Brooks, but Brooks' ball to O'Hare was intercepted which set up their break.

Our team just fail to realise the danger. Bindon can't stop Riis Jacobsen and RND can only hold up Twine. Nobody gets back to track McCrorie's outside run and he can shoot without a challenge.

It is on Burrows' side. He was far up the pitch when we lost the ball, but can be seen jogging as they break. Hamer gets back, but is also seen jogging and can only cover for RND inside.

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So that's two first half goals happening after Peck, our holding midfielder, swapped positions with Hamer. The aim is to let Hamer's playmaking brilliance help us get moves going. Peck is then asked to get into attacking positions, making off the ball runs that maybe Hamer don't have the stamina for - for 90 minutes at least. But it leaves us with Hamer the deepest of midfielders and he does have an attacking mind.

For the first goal he does try to back track. But having done that, he may think he's 'done enough' and rushes into the next challenge, got sidestepped and then brings their player down. A more conservative, orthodox holding midfielder with a shielding, defensive mindset may have tracked the run and kept his discipline for the second challenge.

For the second goal, if Hamer, our deepest positioned midfielder, had realised the danger he may have sprinted further back and contributed more to stopping that goal.

We were punished on those occasions, and Selles will have to rethink if we're going to continue playing like this, letting Hamer drop deep to playmake, and if so, also letting Peck bomb forward.


1-3 Mehmeti, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

We try to build from the back, and RND tries a longish pass upfield, but BC intercepts. Riis Jacobsen gets the ball on the right and with a burst of pace gets past three United players and finds Mehmeti in the box.

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Following his poor pass RND want to make up for his mistake and he goes after the ball. As does Peck. It is all happening in Burrows' zone though, but he doesn't realise he's got to do something more than watching his teammates fail to stop Riis Jacobsen. ERJ crosses for his partner who gets away from Bindon and scores.


1-4 Twine, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

A BC attack sees RND pick up a poor pass and tries to start an attack. His poor pass is intercepted by their RWB and he finds Twine in the box. His shot gets a lucky deflection off Bindon and goes in.

Again we're a bit slow to realise the catastrophe. A frustrated Peck can be seen waving his arms as RND's pass is intercepted. A fully determined defensive midfielder should have sprinted to rescued the situation. Kante, maybe even Souza, would have got back to pick up Twine.


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Peck has been a RCM, an 8, all his youth career. I thought he'd be the one to replace Berge (or Lundstram) in Wilder's team. Last season he did exceptionally well in a holding duo. Now he's being asked to be the lone holding player in a midfield three when the opposition attacks, but switch to a number 8 when Hamer decides he's going to dictate things. This forces him to switch between two roles, two mindsets, in a position that is pretty new to him. I think both O'Hare and Hamer are mediocre defensively.

I think it is asking a lot. I can see the attacking benefits of the rotation and fluidity, but I think Selles may have been a bit too ambitious, asking too many players to adapt too much, too soon. He will have to decide if we're going to stick with it, as it's the best way to learn fast; or if we have to simplify things a bit, and take things more gradually.
 

You don’t mention that the goalkeeper left such a gaping space to his right that it helped Twine to make his mind up where he was kicking it. I likeCooper but I think that was terrible goalkeeping. I bet I could have lifted it over the wall and into that big gap he left.
 
0-1 Twine, direct free kick.

The game's hardly started but our move breaks down and we're rushing back to stop their break. We seem to win it back, but then loses it again. Hamer had been making an impressive tracking run, but he shows poor defensive judgement when he rashly brings their player down.

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From a defensive perspective this isn't unexpected from Hamer. The past few years he's been used to having a free role, where he's been allowed to use his flair and spend more energy and focus on creating chances, rather than defending with discipline.

Scott Twine is a free kick expert and our players should have been warned and determined not to give away free kicks just outside our box. The range is perfect. Our wall is on the short side. Cooper's view is blocked and Twine fires it into the net.


1-2 McCrorie, following a counter attack

We'd been on top for a while, playing some great football. Before this goal, again Hamer dropped deep to playmake, swapping positions with Peck. Hamer played a beautiful cross field ball to Brooks, but Brooks' ball to O'Hare was intercepted which set up their break.

Our team just fail to realise the danger. Bindon can't stop Riis Jacobsen and RND can only hold up Twine. Nobody gets back to track McCrorie's outside run and he can shoot without a challenge.

It is on Burrows' side. He was far up the pitch when we lost the ball, but can be seen jogging as they break. Hamer gets back, but is also seen jogging and can only cover for RND inside.

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So that's two first half goals happening after Peck, our holding midfielder, swapped positions with Hamer. The aim is to let Hamer's playmaking brilliance help us get moves going. Peck is then asked to get into attacking positions, making off the ball runs that maybe Hamer don't have the stamina for - for 90 minutes at least. But it leaves us with Hamer the deepest of midfielders and he does have an attacking mind.

For the first goal he does try to back track. But having done that, he may think he's 'done enough' and rushes into the next challenge, got sidestepped and then brings their player down. A more conservative, orthodox holding midfielder with a shielding, defensive mindset may have tracked the run and kept his discipline for the second challenge.

For the second goal, if Hamer, our deepest positioned midfielder, had realised the danger he may have sprinted further back and contributed more to stopping that goal.

We were punished on those occasions, and Selles will have to rethink if we're going to continue playing like this, letting Hamer drop deep to playmake, and if so, also letting Peck bomb forward.


1-3 Mehmeti, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

We try to build from the back, and RND tries a longish pass upfield, but BC intercepts. Riis Jacobsen gets the ball on the right and with a burst of pace gets past three United players and finds Mehmeti in the box.

View attachment 218834

Following his poor pass RND want to make up for his mistake and he goes after the ball. As does Peck. It is all happening in Burrows' zone though, but he doesn't realise he's got to do something more than watching his teammates fail to stop Riis Jacobsen. ERJ crosses for his partner who gets away from Bindon and scores.


1-4 Twine, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

A BC attack sees RND pick up a poor pass and tries to start an attack. His poor pass is intercepted by their RWB and he finds Twine in the box. His shot gets a lucky deflection off Bindon and goes in.

Again we're a bit slow to realise the catastrophe. A frustrated Peck can be seen waving his arms as RND's pass is intercepted. A fully determined defensive midfielder should have sprinted to rescued the situation. Kante, maybe even Souza, would have got back to pick up Twine.


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Peck has been a RCM, an 8, all his youth career. I thought he'd be the one to replace Berge (or Lundstram) in Wilder's team. Last season he did exceptionally well in a holding duo. Now he's being asked to be the lone holding player in a midfield three when the opposition attacks, but switch to a number 8 when Hamer decides he's going to dictate things. This forces him to switch between two roles, two mindsets, in a position that is pretty new to him. I think both O'Hare and Hamer are mediocre defensively.

I think it is asking a lot. I can see the attacking benefits of the rotation and fluidity, but I think Selles may have been a bit too ambitious, asking too many players to adapt too much, too soon. He will have to decide if we're going to stick with it, as it's the best way to learn fast; or if we have to simplify things a bit, and take things more gradually.
Burrows would appear to have had a bad game defensively but what we don't know is what instructions he was playing to.

He wasn't one of the players substituted which makes me wonder if he was actually merely doing what he had been told to to do in not tracking back.

To us it looked as though he was being caught out of position and not fully alert. But the Manager could have pulled him and didn't.

As a one time full back it drives me crazy when somebody who I think is playing in a full back role doesn't do what I would have thought obvious defensive duties. But the game has changed very much since my day.
 
It felt a bit like the fanciful notions of only signing young, inexperienced players, thinking we’ve discovered the emperors new clothes in AI (when everyone else has used it for years as standard) and the transfer business being too little & too late collided with an organised and hardnosed midtable Champ outfit. They just saw our obvious weaknesses and opened us up.

Should hopefully focus the minds of the powers that be a little, but was a tough one to endure. I do worry the tactical balance of this new system leaves us hugely exposed defensively - you could see this in the friendlies. I’m not sure a new centre half will wholly remedy this.
 
It felt a bit like the fanciful notions of only signing young, inexperienced players, thinking we’ve discovered the emperors new clothes in AI (when everyone else has used it for years as standard) and the transfer business being too little & too late collided with an organised and hardnosed midtable Champ outfit. They just saw our obvious weaknesses and opened us up.

Should hopefully focus the minds of the powers that be a little, but was a tough one to endure. I do worry the tactical balance of this new system leaves us hugely exposed defensively - you could see this in the friendlies. I’m not sure a new centre half will wholly remedy this.
Yeah but 3-2 against a Champions league qualifier. It's all good.
 
Burrows would appear to have had a bad game defensively but what we don't know is what instructions he was playing to.

He wasn't one of the players substituted which makes me wonder if he was actually merely doing what he had been told to to do in not tracking back.

To us it looked as though he was being caught out of position and not fully alert. But the Manager could have pulled him and didn't.

As a one time full back it drives me crazy when somebody who I think is playing in a full back role doesn't do what I would have thought obvious defensive duties. But the game has changed very much since my day.
Didn't help Burrows that Barry was clearly told not to tackle, track back or help his team mate out in any way.

Even Hamer as a LWer tried to help out. Barry barely made it back into our half and Burrows looks totally lost without any help
 
Yeah but 3-2 against a Champions league qualifier. It's all good.

It’s very early days. But we’ve got a tough run of four games before the transfer deadline and a young squad lacking leadership and nous. Defend like that, we are losing all four and heads will drop.

The Board need to act now because we need to embed a new system properly and lift the group. If they don’t the early season will start to unravel.
 
It’s very early days. But we’ve got a tough run of four games before the transfer deadline and a young squad lacking leadership and nous. Defend like that, we are losing all four and heads will drop.

The Board need to act now because we need to embed a new system properly and lift the group. If they don’t the early season will start to unravel.
Agreed. Do you see it happening?
 
It’s very early days. But we’ve got a tough run of four games before the transfer deadline and a young squad lacking leadership and nous. Defend like that, we are losing all four and heads will drop.

The Board need to act now because we need to embed a new system properly and lift the group. If they don’t the early season will start to unravel.
We need imminent signings without a doubt. But if you cast your mind back to our L1 promotion we had a disastrous start. These things can be turned around, but we need a couple of signings before next Saturday.
 
0-1 Twine, direct free kick.

The game's hardly started but our move breaks down and we're rushing back to stop their break. We seem to win it back, but then loses it again. Hamer had been making an impressive tracking run, but he shows poor defensive judgement when he rashly brings their player down.

View attachment 218832

From a defensive perspective this isn't unexpected from Hamer. The past few years he's been used to having a free role, where he's been allowed to use his flair and spend more energy and focus on creating chances, rather than defending with discipline.

Scott Twine is a free kick expert and our players should have been warned and determined not to give away free kicks just outside our box. The range is perfect. Our wall is on the short side. Cooper's view is blocked and Twine fires it into the net.


1-2 McCrorie, following a counter attack

We'd been on top for a while, playing some great football. Before this goal, again Hamer dropped deep to playmake, swapping positions with Peck. Hamer played a beautiful cross field ball to Brooks, but Brooks' ball to O'Hare was intercepted which set up their break.

Our team just fail to realise the danger. Bindon can't stop Riis Jacobsen and RND can only hold up Twine. Nobody gets back to track McCrorie's outside run and he can shoot without a challenge.

It is on Burrows' side. He was far up the pitch when we lost the ball, but can be seen jogging as they break. Hamer gets back, but is also seen jogging and can only cover for RND inside.

View attachment 218833

So that's two first half goals happening after Peck, our holding midfielder, swapped positions with Hamer. The aim is to let Hamer's playmaking brilliance help us get moves going. Peck is then asked to get into attacking positions, making off the ball runs that maybe Hamer don't have the stamina for - for 90 minutes at least. But it leaves us with Hamer the deepest of midfielders and he does have an attacking mind.

For the first goal he does try to back track. But having done that, he may think he's 'done enough' and rushes into the next challenge, got sidestepped and then brings their player down. A more conservative, orthodox holding midfielder with a shielding, defensive mindset may have tracked the run and kept his discipline for the second challenge.

For the second goal, if Hamer, our deepest positioned midfielder, had realised the danger he may have sprinted further back and contributed more to stopping that goal.

We were punished on those occasions, and Selles will have to rethink if we're going to continue playing like this, letting Hamer drop deep to playmake, and if so, also letting Peck bomb forward.


1-3 Mehmeti, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

We try to build from the back, and RND tries a longish pass upfield, but BC intercepts. Riis Jacobsen gets the ball on the right and with a burst of pace gets past three United players and finds Mehmeti in the box.

View attachment 218834

Following his poor pass RND want to make up for his mistake and he goes after the ball. As does Peck. It is all happening in Burrows' zone though, but he doesn't realise he's got to do something more than watching his teammates fail to stop Riis Jacobsen. ERJ crosses for his partner who gets away from Bindon and scores.


1-4 Twine, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

A BC attack sees RND pick up a poor pass and tries to start an attack. His poor pass is intercepted by their RWB and he finds Twine in the box. His shot gets a lucky deflection off Bindon and goes in.

Again we're a bit slow to realise the catastrophe. A frustrated Peck can be seen waving his arms as RND's pass is intercepted. A fully determined defensive midfielder should have sprinted to rescued the situation. Kante, maybe even Souza, would have got back to pick up Twine.


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Peck has been a RCM, an 8, all his youth career. I thought he'd be the one to replace Berge (or Lundstram) in Wilder's team. Last season he did exceptionally well in a holding duo. Now he's being asked to be the lone holding player in a midfield three when the opposition attacks, but switch to a number 8 when Hamer decides he's going to dictate things. This forces him to switch between two roles, two mindsets, in a position that is pretty new to him. I think both O'Hare and Hamer are mediocre defensively.

I think it is asking a lot. I can see the attacking benefits of the rotation and fluidity, but I think Selles may have been a bit too ambitious, asking too many players to adapt too much, too soon. He will have to decide if we're going to stick with it, as it's the best way to learn fast; or if we have to simplify things a bit, and take things more gradually.
Excellent analysis as always, Tommas. In real time at the game, I was extremely concerned how flat footed Bindon looked on Bristol's second goal.
 
We need imminent signings without a doubt. But if you cast your mind back to our L1 promotion we had a disastrous start. These things can be turned around, but we need a couple of signings before next Saturday.
August 2016
1-0 L to Bolton (A)
2-1 L to Crewe (H) - League Cup
1-1 D to Rochdale (H)
3-0 L to Southend (H) - 3-0 down after 20 minutes I think?
2-1 L to Millwall (A)? Was definitely a loss but might be wrong about the score
2-1 W against Oxford (H)

Probably something that gets overlooked now, but for how good O'Connell was, he had an appalling start to his United career.
 

Its ok waiting for better players to become available, but by the end of the window, we could be rock bottom of the league.
 
Agreed. Do you see it happening?

It’s a strange one. For example, on the friendlies and today’s viewing we look like we need more in central midfield to fit the system we want to play, but central midfield is where we have the most talented players. I’m also not sure where we accommodate Hamer, which is a major worry as he is our only true matchwinner. The players should dictate the system. We also need to upgrade Brooks IMHO.

Defence is a bit more straightforward, but structurally we are so exposed we’d need one (maybe two) Souttar standard defenders in who are also mobile to cover the ground.

My view is the Board have already got one eye on parachute payments going as I don’t think they are particularly well resourced (only a suspicion), so I think we’ll do a bit of business but it won’t be enough to mount a serious challenge.

Too early to say so, who knows. 🤷‍♂️
 
So in summary:
  • we have no defence
  • we have some decent central attacking midfielders but can’t work out a system to fit them all in
  • we’ve only 1 CDM who isn’t ready to play yet and is unproven
  • we have no height or strength in the team
  • our right winger could be better
  • keeper isn’t looking as good as last year
  • the team made very few tackles
  • only o hare did any pressing
  • the ‘coach’ rollocked the players on the pitch afterwards
  • no discernible style of play
  • players didn’t look to have a scooby
  • poor substitutions
  • the young CB looked like he had never defended before
At least Campbell looked okay
We need at least 5 or 6 quality permanent players in.
If we don’t Selles will be sacked and I think we will be bang in a relegation battle
 
We need imminent signings without a doubt. But if you cast your mind back to our L1 promotion we had a disastrous start. These things can be turned around, but we need a couple of signings before next Saturday.
Fully agree with this, and I think we should all cut Selles some slack in the short term to complete his recruitment plan.

What worries me a bit more is the decision to field such an attacking midfield, given the weakness of the defensive back four today ( a weakness that was obvious to us all days before kick off). Given this obvious weakness, I'd personally have liked to have seen a bit more of a compromise in attacking intent by playing an additional holding midfielder and telling Peck to stay deeper, in order to help shore up the clear weakness in our back line. Peck was hopelessly confused, and the defence were over-run (and also pretty inept themselves) time and again. It would probably have meant benching Hamer or ( more realistically) O'Hare, but to play both was an attacking luxury that completely unbalanced the team. Based on his experiences at Hull (and his success in tightening things up at the back) I think Selles will be well aware of this, and will have learned a lot about the performance of his back line when under fire.
All that said, some of the incisive attacking football that we played in the first half was a delight, and better than most of what I watched last season. All undone by 15 mins of a defensive horror show after half time.
Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but if we can complete the planned defensive recruitment sharpish, and do some fine tuning on our balance, then today's disaster should fade quickly in the memory. 🤞
 
0-1 Twine, direct free kick.

The game's hardly started but our move breaks down and we're rushing back to stop their break. We seem to win it back, but then loses it again. Hamer had been making an impressive tracking run, but he shows poor defensive judgement when he rashly brings their player down.

View attachment 218832

From a defensive perspective this isn't unexpected from Hamer. The past few years he's been used to having a free role, where he's been allowed to use his flair and spend more energy and focus on creating chances, rather than defending with discipline.

Scott Twine is a free kick expert and our players should have been warned and determined not to give away free kicks just outside our box. The range is perfect. Our wall is on the short side. Cooper's view is blocked and Twine fires it into the net.


1-2 McCrorie, following a counter attack

We'd been on top for a while, playing some great football. Before this goal, again Hamer dropped deep to playmake, swapping positions with Peck. Hamer played a beautiful cross field ball to Brooks, but Brooks' ball to O'Hare was intercepted which set up their break.

Our team just fail to realise the danger. Bindon can't stop Riis Jacobsen and RND can only hold up Twine. Nobody gets back to track McCrorie's outside run and he can shoot without a challenge.

It is on Burrows' side. He was far up the pitch when we lost the ball, but can be seen jogging as they break. Hamer gets back, but is also seen jogging and can only cover for RND inside.

View attachment 218833

So that's two first half goals happening after Peck, our holding midfielder, swapped positions with Hamer. The aim is to let Hamer's playmaking brilliance help us get moves going. Peck is then asked to get into attacking positions, making off the ball runs that maybe Hamer don't have the stamina for - for 90 minutes at least. But it leaves us with Hamer the deepest of midfielders and he does have an attacking mind.

For the first goal he does try to back track. But having done that, he may think he's 'done enough' and rushes into the next challenge, got sidestepped and then brings their player down. A more conservative, orthodox holding midfielder with a shielding, defensive mindset may have tracked the run and kept his discipline for the second challenge.

For the second goal, if Hamer, our deepest positioned midfielder, had realised the danger he may have sprinted further back and contributed more to stopping that goal.

We were punished on those occasions, and Selles will have to rethink if we're going to continue playing like this, letting Hamer drop deep to playmake, and if so, also letting Peck bomb forward.


1-3 Mehmeti, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

We try to build from the back, and RND tries a longish pass upfield, but BC intercepts. Riis Jacobsen gets the ball on the right and with a burst of pace gets past three United players and finds Mehmeti in the box.

View attachment 218834

Following his poor pass RND want to make up for his mistake and he goes after the ball. As does Peck. It is all happening in Burrows' zone though, but he doesn't realise he's got to do something more than watching his teammates fail to stop Riis Jacobsen. ERJ crosses for his partner who gets away from Bindon and scores.


1-4 Twine, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

A BC attack sees RND pick up a poor pass and tries to start an attack. His poor pass is intercepted by their RWB and he finds Twine in the box. His shot gets a lucky deflection off Bindon and goes in.

Again we're a bit slow to realise the catastrophe. A frustrated Peck can be seen waving his arms as RND's pass is intercepted. A fully determined defensive midfielder should have sprinted to rescued the situation. Kante, maybe even Souza, would have got back to pick up Twine.


View attachment 218836

Peck has been a RCM, an 8, all his youth career. I thought he'd be the one to replace Berge (or Lundstram) in Wilder's team. Last season he did exceptionally well in a holding duo. Now he's being asked to be the lone holding player in a midfield three when the opposition attacks, but switch to a number 8 when Hamer decides he's going to dictate things. This forces him to switch between two roles, two mindsets, in a position that is pretty new to him. I think both O'Hare and Hamer are mediocre defensively.

I think it is asking a lot. I can see the attacking benefits of the rotation and fluidity, but I think Selles may have been a bit too ambitious, asking too many players to adapt too much, too soon. He will have to decide if we're going to stick with it, as it's the best way to learn fast; or if we have to simplify things a bit, and take things more gradually.
Really interesting analysis, thanks.

seei g Hamer drop so deep was a worry from the start and it's a poor challenge for the first. I'd not noticed that they'd swapped again around the time of the second.

Overall, the team balance looks off

Two attacking full backs, a 3 man midfield, who all have forward thinking mentality ( especially Hamer and O'Hare) and two wingers is just so unbalanced.

Add a centre back pairing who are untested ( in being kind) and the chances we coughed up wasn't a real surprise in the end.
 
Its ok waiting for better players to become available, but by the end of the window, we could be rock bottom of the league.

With 42 matches still to play!

I’d rather be bottom after 4 matches and sign a few class players late in the window than sign players not much better than the players that need replacing and be mid table after 4 games.
 
You refer to the ‘pace’ of Riis carrying him past 3 of our players. This shows a huge flaw in our squad because Riis is about as quick as Andy Gray and Craig Beattie.
He can be quite tricky. Made McCallum look foolish later as well.

You can't have three players beaten by the same dummy.

In today's meeting I think Burrows will be told he should have taken up a more central position, which may have given him a better chance to read and stop the cross, but also given us the right distances at the back, reducing the movement options of Mehmeti in the box. When there's so much space it can be hard for a centre half to mark the striker.


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We have taken out the spine of our team from last season in Moore, Sousa and Anel. We have also taken out huge amounts of height.

We have a tiny team out there who aren't that strong. We really need to sign some replacements asap. Robbo coming back and Soumare will help but man we are weak as piss out there.
 
Whenever Hamer went deep I was worried. I love the guy but he does not have the attributes to play there - even if for just a "phase"
It's tempting in theory and there are genuine attacking benefits when he's on form. Beating a high press is a big part of the game now. We want do it by getting past the lines, playing through the opposition. The past few seasons we've built more slowly, with less risk, but often just found ourselves higher up the pitch and still 11 players to beat.

But the transitions yesterday showed us the dilemma.
 
You don’t mention that the goalkeeper left such a gaping space to his right that it helped Twine to make his mind up where he was kicking it. I likeCooper but I think that was terrible goalkeeping. I bet I could have lifted it over the wall and into that big gap he left.
I'm not great at analysing goalkeepers. But his view was blocked by the two BC in front of our wall. What should he have done? Not sure he saw the actual kick:

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August 2016
1-0 L to Bolton (A)
2-1 L to Crewe (H) - League Cup
1-1 D to Rochdale (H)
3-0 L to Southend (H) - 3-0 down after 20 minutes I think?
2-1 L to Millwall (A)? Was definitely a loss but might be wrong about the score
2-1 W against Oxford (H)

Probably something that gets overlooked now, but for how good O'Connell was, he had an appalling start to his United career.
Agree

But whats the likleyhood we can pull the type of players Wilder did , and blend a winning team , this time ?

🕰️ will tell
 
Excellent analysis as always, Tommas. In real time at the game, I was extremely concerned how flat footed Bindon looked on Bristol's second goal.
I've been trying to assess his pace as some have said that he's quick, others that it is a weakness of his. I've not seen evidence of him being fast so far.

I think it's one of the reasons we're considering Ben Godfrey as a RB/CB signing, while opting out on Gilchrist. I think Bindon can do well, but he needs quick players around him. Gilchrist - Bindon - Robinson - Burrows would be a very slow back four.
 
Fully agree with this, and I think we should all cut Selles some slack in the short term to complete his recruitment plan.

What worries me a bit more is the decision to field such an attacking midfield, given the weakness of the defensive back four today ( a weakness that was obvious to us all days before kick off). Given this obvious weakness, I'd personally have liked to have seen a bit more of a compromise in attacking intent by playing an additional holding midfielder and telling Peck to stay deeper, in order to help shore up the clear weakness in our back line. Peck was hopelessly confused, and the defence were over-run (and also pretty inept themselves) time and again. It would probably have meant benching Hamer or ( more realistically) O'Hare, but to play both was an attacking luxury that completely unbalanced the team. Based on his experiences at Hull (and his success in tightening things up at the back) I think Selles will be well aware of this, and will have learned a lot about the performance of his back line when under fire.
All that said, some of the incisive attacking football that we played in the first half was a delight, and better than most of what I watched last season. All undone by 15 mins of a defensive horror show after half time.
Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but if we can complete the planned defensive recruitment sharpish, and do some fine tuning on our balance, then today's disaster should fade quickly in the memory. 🤞
I also enjoyed our first half play after the first ten minutes. We looked capable of cutting through them at any time and from everywhere. When the cameras filmed their manager I felt sorry for him, as I didn't think they had a chance to keep us out! Then they scored their second...

We shouldn't forget how much goals can change games and on another day this may have been a convincing win. But there are issues to address and Selles may have learned a lot.
 

0-1 Twine, direct free kick.

The game's hardly started but our move breaks down and we're rushing back to stop their break. We seem to win it back, but then loses it again. Hamer had been making an impressive tracking run, but he shows poor defensive judgement when he rashly brings their player down.

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From a defensive perspective this isn't unexpected from Hamer. The past few years he's been used to having a free role, where he's been allowed to use his flair and spend more energy and focus on creating chances, rather than defending with discipline.

Scott Twine is a free kick expert and our players should have been warned and determined not to give away free kicks just outside our box. The range is perfect. Our wall is on the short side. Cooper's view is blocked and Twine fires it into the net.


1-2 McCrorie, following a counter attack

We'd been on top for a while, playing some great football. Before this goal, again Hamer dropped deep to playmake, swapping positions with Peck. Hamer played a beautiful cross field ball to Brooks, but Brooks' ball to O'Hare was intercepted which set up their break.

Our team just fail to realise the danger. Bindon can't stop Riis Jacobsen and RND can only hold up Twine. Nobody gets back to track McCrorie's outside run and he can shoot without a challenge.

It is on Burrows' side. He was far up the pitch when we lost the ball, but can be seen jogging as they break. Hamer gets back, but is also seen jogging and can only cover for RND inside.

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So that's two first half goals happening after Peck, our holding midfielder, swapped positions with Hamer. The aim is to let Hamer's playmaking brilliance help us get moves going. Peck is then asked to get into attacking positions, making off the ball runs that maybe Hamer don't have the stamina for - for 90 minutes at least. But it leaves us with Hamer the deepest of midfielders and he does have an attacking mind.

For the first goal he does try to back track. But having done that, he may think he's 'done enough' and rushes into the next challenge, got sidestepped and then brings their player down. A more conservative, orthodox holding midfielder with a shielding, defensive mindset may have tracked the run and kept his discipline for the second challenge.

For the second goal, if Hamer, our deepest positioned midfielder, had realised the danger he may have sprinted further back and contributed more to stopping that goal.

We were punished on those occasions, and Selles will have to rethink if we're going to continue playing like this, letting Hamer drop deep to playmake, and if so, also letting Peck bomb forward.


1-3 Mehmeti, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

We try to build from the back, and RND tries a longish pass upfield, but BC intercepts. Riis Jacobsen gets the ball on the right and with a burst of pace gets past three United players and finds Mehmeti in the box.

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Following his poor pass RND want to make up for his mistake and he goes after the ball. As does Peck. It is all happening in Burrows' zone though, but he doesn't realise he's got to do something more than watching his teammates fail to stop Riis Jacobsen. ERJ crosses for his partner who gets away from Bindon and scores.


1-4 Twine, following BC winning the ball high up the pitch

A BC attack sees RND pick up a poor pass and tries to start an attack. His poor pass is intercepted by their RWB and he finds Twine in the box. His shot gets a lucky deflection off Bindon and goes in.

Again we're a bit slow to realise the catastrophe. A frustrated Peck can be seen waving his arms as RND's pass is intercepted. A fully determined defensive midfielder should have sprinted to rescued the situation. Kante, maybe even Souza, would have got back to pick up Twine.


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Peck has been a RCM, an 8, all his youth career. I thought he'd be the one to replace Berge (or Lundstram) in Wilder's team. Last season he did exceptionally well in a holding duo. Now he's being asked to be the lone holding player in a midfield three when the opposition attacks, but switch to a number 8 when Hamer decides he's going to dictate things. This forces him to switch between two roles, two mindsets, in a position that is pretty new to him. I think both O'Hare and Hamer are mediocre defensively.

I think it is asking a lot. I can see the attacking benefits of the rotation and fluidity, but I think Selles may have been a bit too ambitious, asking too many players to adapt too much, too soon. He will have to decide if we're going to stick with it, as it's the best way to learn fast; or if we have to simplify things a bit, and take things more gradually.
Top analysis and brilliantly backed up with detailed facts. Really helps unpick that tragic defensive performance and hopefully look at ways we can tweak and improve.

Really respect your views, one of the best on this forum! Thanks for the thread.
 

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