The new owners are letting us down!

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Ambition has different guises. Ambition has become shorthand for spending money, lots of money, on players, both fees and wages, that you hope are better than you've already got.

Ambition has become shorthand for using personal (ie not bank or financial institution money and loans) money, owner money, accounted as debt, to spend on players.

Ambition can also be running the club well, with expenditure and income roughly in balance, not spending beyond your means, having financial reserves for a rainy day. Ambition can be promoting your Academy prospects to the first team. Ambition can be using the best data and information to recruit players who are excellent value for money.

I'm not going to measure Ambition purely in pounds and pence and debt.

 

[robbiez666]

Ambition has different guises. Ambition has become shorthand for spending money, lots of money, on players, both fees and wages, that you hope are better than you've already got.

Ambition has become shorthand for using personal (ie not bank or financial institution money and loans) money, owner money, accounted as debt, to spend money on players.

Ambition can also be running the club well, with expenditure and income roughly in balance, not spending beyond your means, having financial reserves for a rainy day. Ambition can be promoting your Academy prospects to the first team. Ambition can be using the best data and information to recruit players who are excellent value for money.

I'm not going to measure Ambition purely in pounds and pence and debt.

Agreed. Ambition is moving the club forward, on or off the field, or both.

 

[TJ blade]

I think it’s hilarious.

Several of our owners are world leaders in their respective fields. That mean dedicating your life to doing something you are outstanding at. They’ve shown sheer grit and determination to get where they are today and along the way have made millions and millions of dollars between them.

Yet half of our fan base think that:
A - after one disappointment they’re just going to give up. Do you think they got to where they are now by giving up at the first hurdle

Or
B - take time out from their day to answer childish cries for attention from a bunch of bed wetters that demand a statement about every little article that comes out from some mediocre journalist.

They’ve spoken. They’ve said they’ve got a vision, they’re here for the long haul and they want to establish in the premier league. So do you not think world leaders in medicine and Ai haven’t done any research at all as to what that entails?

Get a fucking grip seriously.

Wait and see what the squad looks like after deadline day.

Give the regime time to implement their vision and get behind selles and the team.

Your out of line pal..... coming on here talking sense, We're having none of that!!

 

[Blade58]

They did commit and chuck money at us in January and we failed to get promoted, we are now feeling the effects of the gamble which didn't pay off (probably what got wilder sacked).

I wonder whether the effects of that gamble that didn’t pay off perhaps had a bigger effect on our consortium that we all realise?

 

[robbiez666]

I wonder whether the effects of that gamble that didn’t pay off perhaps had a bigger effect on our consortium that we all realise?

I'm going to suggest they might well have been persuaded by someone who used to be at the club that by spending that £10 million they would guarantee promotion. I can't see any other fathomable reason, given their approach, for them to spend it otherwise.

 

[Shawy24]

I'm going to suggest they might well have been persuaded by someone who used to be at the club that by spending that £10 million they would guarantee promotion. I can't see any other fathomable reason, given their approach, for them to spend it otherwise.

I think you may very well be correct. Don’t think they’ll be as naive again.

 

[Silent Blade]

Our parachute payments for this season are £40 million plus. No other club in Champ has that sort of income apart from the 3 relegated teams Leicester, Ipswich and Soton. Leicester are rumoured to have a 9-12 points deduction coming. Next season our parachute payments are nil (or virtually nil). If we dont get promoted
this season our income goes right down and our chances of promotion will be very slim. Looks like our owners are banking on recruiting "unknown" players and hoping they come good and either develop into stars who win us promotion or we sell at big profit to replace parachute payments to fund the club.

We may have already borrowed this season's parachute money to fund the signings for last season?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Surely you knew what you were getting with this thread from the title, not worth getting so worked up. It’s close season - all sorts gets posted every summer, year on year. The silly bollocks is as bad as the censoriousness; there’s no high ground to be had.

I don't think my reply to the OP was particularly worked up. It was a simple instruction for him to take up your issue with whoever mis-informed him that our new owners had money to burn.

 

[Rodley]

I don't think my reply to the OP was particularly worked up. It was a simple instruction for him to take up your issue with whoever mis-informed him that our new owners had money to burn.

He’ll probably not do that.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Is this tarmacing of the SS carpark the first stage of this ....exciting times.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Ambition has different guises. Ambition has become shorthand for spending money, lots of money, on players, both fees and wages, that you hope are better than you've already got.

Ambition has become shorthand for using personal (ie not bank or financial institution money and loans) money, owner money, accounted as debt, to spend on players.

Ambition can also be running the club well, with expenditure and income roughly in balance, not spending beyond your means, having financial reserves for a rainy day. Ambition can be promoting your Academy prospects to the first team. Ambition can be using the best data and information to recruit players who are excellent value for money.

I'm not going to measure Ambition purely in pounds and pence and debt.

How extremely noble of you. Whilst all top teams can exactly tie ambition and spending in the same breath. Little old Sheff Utd must be happy with frugal owners doing all the right things on a shoestring. Give us a break - we were hopeful of owners that could splash the dosh owners not scared to lose a few mill. We’ve gone from pauper Prince to pot less Yanks. Like the OP says get yer money out. Ownership of a football club isn’t about making money it’s about owning a shit hot football club.

 

[I should coco]

Ambition has different guises. Ambition has become shorthand for spending money, lots of money, on players, both fees and wages, that you hope are better than you've already got.

Ambition has become shorthand for using personal (ie not bank or financial institution money and loans) money, owner money, accounted as debt, to spend on players.

Ambition can also be running the club well, with expenditure and income roughly in balance, not spending beyond your means, having financial reserves for a rainy day. Ambition can be promoting your Academy prospects to the first team. Ambition can be using the best data and information to recruit players who are excellent value for money.

I'm not going to measure Ambition purely in pounds and pence and debt.

Yeah, yeah, yeah but everyone knows that it's spelt 'ambishun'.

Like pashun, innit.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

How extremely noble of you. Whilst all top teams can exactly tie ambition and spending in the same breath. Little old Sheff Utd must be happy with frugal owners doing all the right things on a shoestring. Give us a break - we were hopeful of owners that could splash the dosh owners not scared to lose a few mill. We’ve gone from pauper Prince to pot less Yanks. Like the OP says get yer money out. Ownership of a football club isn’t about making money it’s about owning a shit hot football club.

I think I'm right in saying that most top teams no longer need owner dosh splashed. The shift in the business model has been to vastly increased revenues, particularly from UEFA and (now) FIFA competitions, and using those revenues to sustain large fees and wages for players.

The misconception is that the top teams require owner injected cash. In fact, they spend revenue.

I mean, as you know, Fuck ALL Owners.

But, necessary evil owners should spend their money buying, acquiring clubs, not funding them.

 

[gavtheblade]

Fraser

 

[s20Blade]

Who do you think repaired and rebuilt that squad at the beginning of last season?

The board did at the time sanctioning players and funds but Wilder working with top dollar signings in this league to fail at automatics and play-offs is not exactly a big achievement is it?

 

[Rodley]

How extremely noble of you. Whilst all top teams can exactly tie ambition and spending in the same breath. Little old Sheff Utd must be happy with frugal owners doing all the right things on a shoestring. Give us a break - we were hopeful of owners that could splash the dosh owners not scared to lose a few mill. We’ve gone from pauper Prince to pot less Yanks. Like the OP says get yer money out. Ownership of a football club isn’t about making money it’s about owning a shit hot football club.

 

[coolasanidiot]

I think I'm right in saying that most top teams no longer need owner dosh splashed. The shift in the business model has been to vastly increased revenues, particularly from UEFA and (now) FIFA competitions, and using those revenues to sustain large fees and wages for players.

The misconception is that the top teams require owner injected cash. In fact, they spend revenue.

I mean, as you know, Fuck ALL Owners.

But, necessary evil owners should spend their money buying, acquiring clubs, not funding them.

First 2 Paras got your drift bottom 2 you lost me please re phrase?

All well and good Liverpool spending 300 mill on revenue. But to get to a point in life where that is even slightly plausible you need owners willing to spend to get to that lovely position.

We have a chance of getting to play offs with this squad but we need the Vini money and 30 million more spent to get 4 Championship gems. Simple as without it we will be mid table. We are light and if Robbo starts the Bristol match - we will know how serious these super intelligent entrepreneurs are.

 

[Carlton Blade]

We’re at a fork in the road. Are we going to use the second half of the window to make a serious investment in the playing squad and have a real go at promotion or are we going to try and do it on the cheap and risk wasting the last season of parachute payments?

It's still an expensive squad and the Souza money only about covers the drop in revenue. So if they are going to invest, it has to come from them or they have to sell one to buy two etc.

We have no idea who they are yet, other than they seem reasonably professional. They may just be dumb enough to think 'sustainable' is a real thing

 

[raul]

You can't even say I want it now anymore.

 

[dc_blade]

It's still an expensive squad and the Souza money only about covers the drop in revenue. So if they are going to invest, it has to come from them or they have to sell one to buy two etc.

We have no idea who they are yet, other than they seem reasonably professional. They may just be dumb enough to think 'sustainable' is a real thing

Yeah that’s exactly the question for me: are they interested in/capable of putting in some of their own money to fund a promotion push. Even 10 million would make a massive difference.

 

[Rodley]

Yeah that’s exactly the question for me: are they interested in/capable of putting in some of their own money to fund a promotion push. Even 10 million would make a massive difference.

Yep, be interested to see what happens. The DMC and RB are mission critical in the next 10 days or so to hit the ground running.

Said on another thread, but it would have been good for Bettis or ANOther to do an interview and articulate the vision and strategy for the club for the next 5 years. Selles is going to be under pressure to deliver and if fans understand the bigger picture, it might make those first few games easier - particularly if transfer business happens once we’re underway with the promotion campaign.

 

[I should coco]

The board did at the time sanctioning players and funds but Wilder working with top dollar signings in this league to fail at automatics and play-offs is not exactly a big achievement is it?

Yeah, top dollar signings.

92 points on the pitch really was piss poor. Why he couldn't he get 150 points, I'll never know.
It's his fault Souter got injured and Ollie missed the whole season. If we'd had a decent manager, we'd at least have got a point against the rusties, instead of those two abysmal losses.
He really was a shit manager.

 

[dc_blade]

Ambition has different guises. Ambition has become shorthand for spending money, lots of money, on players, both fees and wages, that you hope are better than you've already got.

Ambition has become shorthand for using personal (ie not bank or financial institution money and loans) money, owner money, accounted as debt, to spend on players.

Ambition can also be running the club well, with expenditure and income roughly in balance, not spending beyond your means, having financial reserves for a rainy day. Ambition can be promoting your Academy prospects to the first team. Ambition can be using the best data and information to recruit players who are excellent value for money.

I'm not going to measure Ambition purely in pounds and pence and debt.

Fair enough in the abstract but these owners have stated their goal (“ambition”) is to get to the Premier League and stay there. So “showing some ambition” would involve doing things that make that more likely, such as spending money on players that improve the squad.

 

[I should coco]

You can’t call bedwetters fannies!

In the old days there was just Slashers and Clappers and it was much simpler. The slashers were of course, to a man, a bunch of bedwetting fannies.

Good point.

It's like the whole LGBQTQ+ quagmire. Who knows what the fuck you can say, but if the bedwetters start identifying as fannies, who knows where it will end.

Is the answer that the piss ridden, overflowing, blokes bogs in the Kop need subdividing into at least a dozen options, to include those who identify as cats, llamas etc, as well as bedwetters, clippers, sloshers?

It's a minefield!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Good point.

It's like the whole LGBQTQ+ quagmire. Who knows what the fuck you can say, but if the bedwetters start identifying as fannies, who knows where it will end.

Is the answer that the piss ridden, overflowing, blokes bogs in the Kop need subdividing into at least a dozen options, to include those who identify as cats, llamas etc, as well as bedwetters, clippers, sloshers?

It's a minefield!

As usual you don’t mention our canine friends you bigot. Dogs seats matter. (Calm down Forest fans)

 

[Carlton Blade]

Sorry, I'd just not seen it said for a few days

 

[s20Blade]

Yeah, top dollar signings.

92 points on the pitch really was piss poor. Why he couldn't he get 150 points, I'll never know.
It's his fault Souter got injured and Ollie missed the whole season. If we'd had a decent manager, we'd at least have got a point against the rusties, instead of those two abysmal losses.
He really was a shit manager.

Honestly we might aswel have finished a point above relegation it's the same outcome. Burnley probably worked on a lower budget and managed to go up and obviously Sunderland worked on a tiny budget comparing. Officially we managed to be abit better than Luton by not getting relegated but keep on kissing the arse of hamface from what he did 6+ years ago

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I think it’s hilarious.

Several of our owners are world leaders in their respective fields. That mean dedicating your life to doing something you are outstanding at. They’ve shown sheer grit and determination to get where they are today and along the way have made millions and millions of dollars between them.

Yet half of our fan base think that:
A - after one disappointment they’re just going to give up. Do you think they got to where they are now by giving up at the first hurdle

Or
B - take time out from their day to answer childish cries for attention from a bunch of bed wetters that demand a statement about every little article that comes out from some mediocre journalist.

They’ve spoken. They’ve said they’ve got a vision, they’re here for the long haul and they want to establish in the premier league. So do you not think world leaders in medicine and Ai haven’t done any research at all as to what that entails?

Get a fucking grip seriously.

Wait and see what the squad looks like after deadline day.

Give the regime time to implement their vision and get behind selles and the team.

Top post.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Another attention seeking post by a poster who loves to start a thread and couldn't be bothered to to look at the other threads

Book their ideas up?
At least the grammar is unique.

 

[1987]

Whilst I think this thread is definitely premature.

It is really interesting to me those who were more than free with their negativity last season suddenly shutting down anything other than a positive debate about the club. General comment, not exclusive to this thread.