Incoming? Ashley Phillips

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This is just typical summer journalism.

Week 1 - team x interested in player y
Week 2 - Manager or team z who owns player y has decided to keep him.

Voila. Two stories with a net result of fuck all, but still managed to get in two lots of ‘bit in paper’ to fill column inches.
 
No doubt we won’t get him - if at all - until right at the end of the window. Spurs also now need a big enough squad for Champions League - so this may reduce the chances of us getting him.
 
UddersBlade said:
No doubt we won’t get him - if at all - until right at the end of the window. Spurs also now need a big enough squad for Champions League - so this may reduce the chances of us getting him.
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Or alternatively…it might increase our chances of getting him if Spurs look to upgrade their CBs in preparation for the Champions League 🤷‍♂️
 
Champagneblade said:
This is just typical summer journalism.

Week 1 - team x interested in player y
Week 2 - Manager or team z who owns player y has decided to keep him.

Voila. Two stories with a net result of fuck all, but still managed to get in two lots of ‘bit in paper’ to fill column inches.
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Manager says he wants to keep him in an attempt at to drive up the cost of any deal.
 
Spurs will have seen enough of him at Stoke to know whether hes good enough for the top end of the PL and Champions League. On the face of it he looks like the kind of player we need, hopefully one thst we might be able to buy leather than loan and develop for Spurs
 
Champagneblade said:
This is just typical summer journalism.

Week 1 - team x interested in player y
Week 2 - Manager or team z who owns player y has decided to keep him.

Voila. Two stories with a net result of fuck all, but still managed to get in two lots of ‘bit in paper’ to fill column inches.
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Standard Stir story.

"Sheffield United linked to star Man Utd midfielder."

Actual story, here's a player in Man Utd's academy who we think might suit Sheffield United. He once played alongside Arblaster in an England under 20 match (hence "linked").

There's absolutely no credibility to the story whatsoever.

Later on the player goes out on loan to Norwich.

"Sheffield United miss out on midfielder to promotion rivals."

I wouldn't wipe my arse on that paper. It would be a waste of a turd!
 
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FriethBlade said:
Spurs will have seen enough of him at Stoke to know whether hes good enough for the top end of the PL and Champions League. On the face of it he looks like the kind of player we need, hopefully one thst we might be able to buy leather than loan and develop for Spurs
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He isn’t getting into the Spurs side any time soon but at 20 they’re not going to cut him loose.
Depends how deep our pockets are but you would think a loan with an obligation to buy it x, y or z are met would put us ahead of any other championship bid. But we have no idea what money we have. We could have the money to just do the deal now but with 5 loans available you think we’d not be looking at perm this season.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
He isn’t getting into the Spurs side any time soon but at 20 they’re not going to cut him loose.
Depends how deep our pockets are but you would think a loan with an obligation to buy it x, y or z are met would put us ahead of any other championship bid. But we have no idea what money we have. We could have the money to just do the deal now but with 5 loans available you think we’d not be looking at perm this season.
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If we're going to build a team capable of taking us up and staying up then we need to shift the focus onto permanent signings instead of relying on loan signings. If you have 3 season long loan players regularly in your starting line up then you're already at -3 as soon as you go up. You now have to find the money to adequately upgrade and replace them before you even start looking at other positions. Loan players can be good, but when they become key and irreplaceable then your strategy is wrong. Also, when they go back to their parent clubs and get sold for significant values we don't benefit from them. For example, we paid Man City a fee to borrow Doyle. We helped develop him and they then sold him to Wolves. They benefitted from both sides of the deal and we didn't. If the new owners are serious about scouting and recruiting young players to develop and sell on for profit then we need to cut back on the use of loans.

Ever since the Prince got involved in the club we've seen an abundance of loan signings including three out of four seasons where we didn't have a goalkeeper and had to borrow one. That's a key position where we really should own our own.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
If we're going to build a team capable of taking us up and staying up then we need to shift the focus onto permanent signings instead of relying on loan signings. If you have 3 season long loan players regularly in your starting line up then you're already at -3 as soon as you go up. You now have to find the money to adequately upgrade and replace them before you even start looking at other positions. Loan players can be good, but when they become key and irreplaceable then your strategy is wrong. Also, when they go back to their parent clubs and get sold for significant values we don't benefit from them. For example, we paid Man City a fee to borrow Doyle. We helped develop him and they then sold him to Wolves. They benefitted from both sides of the deal and we didn't.
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I’m assuming you missed or ignored the part of my post that suggested a loan with an obligation to buy. That normally ensures a lower purchase price than trying to negotiate after another good season and when the selling club know you’ll pay more for a settled player.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I’m assuming you missed or ignored the part of my post that suggested a loan with an obligation to buy.
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I get that but we've had lots of these deals where we then never bought them. I can't think of many in the past where we have.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I get that but we've had lots of these deals where we then never bought them. I can't think of many in the past where we have.
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But we can only realistically afford him if we go up given we’re in the last year of parachute payments too?
Yes it would mean we’re starting again next season if we’re not promoted but if we don’t go up our strategy is likely going to have to move away from very promising, young, PL talent who have already proven themselves at this level anyway. This is a one off, short term success season for us.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
But we can only realistically afford him if we go up given we’re in the last year of parachute payments too?
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We may be in the last year of parachute payments but we don't yet know how willing the owners are when it comes to subsidising the club financially. They may have some lucrative US based sponsorship deals lined up to increase revenue. I'm personally not too worried about the parachute payments decreasing as the long term strategy of the owners will have planned for this, and the data driven recruitment to find young up and coming players to develop over a couple of seasons is clearly part of that contingency as well as a longer term team build.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
We may be in the last year of parachute payments but we don't yet know how willing the owners are when it comes to subsidising the club financially. They may have some lucrative US based sponsorship deals lined up to increase revenue.
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It isn’t going to balance out the loss of those payments though is it? Being realistic?
If we don’t go up then there’s a new medium/long term strategy needed.
We have the funding this year to get up and I’d be shocked if we don’t look to leverage that comparative advantage to its max and I think that means loans for the better quality players from the league above.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It isn’t going to balance out the loss of those payments though is it? Being realistic?
If we don’t go up then there’s a new medium/long term strategy needed.
We have the funding this year to get up and I’d be shocked if we don’t look to leverage that comparative advantage to its max.
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There will always be a long term and medium strategy in place, just like there were two plans in place this summer. One for if we got promoted, the other for if we didn't.

We can't assume what we'll do based on the past as we have total different owners. We haven't seen enough from them yet to make safe assumptions. At the end of this summer we'll know more. At the end of this coming season we'll know what to expect.

The unknown is both scary and exciting but we shouldn't fear it due to what has happened in the past under other owners. The Prince couldn't support us as he had no money. Our new owners are a group of several multi-millionaires.
 

Tony_Kaufman said:
There will always be a long term and medium strategy in place, just like there were two plans in place this summer. One for if we got promoted, the other for if we didn't.

We can't assume what we'll do based on the past as we have total different owners. We haven't seen enough from them yet to make safe assumptions. At the end of this summer we'll know more. At the end of this coming season we'll know what to expect.

The unknown is both scary and exciting but we shouldn't fear it due to what has happened in the past under other owners. The Prince couldn't support us as he had no money. Our new owners are a group of several multi-millionaires.
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I’m not factoring in what the owners may or may not have the ability to do as it’s largely irrelevant. I’m saying that the rules of the league limit us next season if we don’t go up because we can’t duplicate that type of revenue stream legitimately. There no speculation in that, it’s just facts.
 
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