COH Sports another set of Chancers

[Bladesthorpe]

For me the appointment is there because he has been identified as having potential. When you look at the clubs he has been at, he was chucked in Hecky Mk2 style at Southampton where he didn’t have a chance but still managed to beat Chelsea away and get a 4-4 draw from Liverpool. At Reading he had zero cash with the club on the brink of going bust. He was chucked in at Hull being bottom of the league and managed to save them from relegation. He had a net spend of approx £1.5mill with some loan signings in January to keep them up. With some cash behind him and better players to work with there is potential that we drag ourselves and some of the fan base out of the factories, mills, steelworks, whippets and flat caps and into the 21st century.

Funny enough the game belonged to the working classes before the prawn brigade moved in and being one of them I can saying was much more enjoyable to be part of.
The whippets doing fine thanks.

 

[Torrix1889]

I will just start off by saying I am stunned many will know I didn't hide my disdain for some of Chris Wilders tactical decisions and team decisions last season but I cannot believe we have replaced Chris Wilder with Ruben Selles.

That has to be the worst managerial appointment I can recall in my life time and we have seen some dross over the years.

But this is taking the biscuit who was in charge of finding our next manager Stevie Wonder?

I was willing to give the new owners COH Sports the benefit of the doubt.

But they have already proven they are a set of chancers I.M.O and to me it looks like the Prince has sold us to a set of penniless owners who ar going to rely on cheap foreign Imports hoping they can come good and make a profit.

I am absolutely astounded at the decision to appoint Ruben Selles Cooper Ahmedhodzic Hamer Souza etc will be off and I guarantee the money will go on cheap foreign sh*te and league 1 players that are not good enough.

Any optimism I had for the new season has disappeared and I feel thoroughly depressed being a Blade yet again.

Because as soon as we get ourselves into a good position on and off the field the owners somehow manage to f it up.

And it appears we have another set of Chancers in COH Sports who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing.

I can see the atmosphere turning ugly at the Lane especially if we have a bad start.


And if any representatives of COH are reading this well done for turning our club into a laughing stock appointing a manager that wasn't even good enough for Hull.

Ayup flouncer, are you one of those queuing up at the ticket office this morning for a refund?

I've not read the rest of the replies to your OP yet but hows about giving the new Gaffer a chance eh? He worked wonders at the shit-show that is Reading, (who make the Pigs look well run) and left with a win percentage of 43%, (the same as Wilder Mk2) and then kept another basket case of a club in Hull up, (lets not forget the battering they gave us at home last season).

Who had heard of Thomas Frank when he arrived at Brentford with a 44% win percentage at Brondby, (and a 41% win percentage at Brentford) ? He's just been appointed at one of the biggest teams in England.

Who had heard of Maresca when he turned up at Leicester and got them promoted to go on and land the Chelsea job on the back of a 28% win percentage at Parma?

Mrco Silva is doing a great job at Fulham after being sacked by Hull & Watford

I could go on but trust you get my drift....

 

[bladesmanluke]

I'll judge COH on what they do when the parachute payments dry up at the end of this season

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

I will just start off by saying I am stunned many will know I didn't hide my disdain for some of Chris Wilders tactical decisions and team decisions last season but I cannot believe we have replaced Chris Wilder with Ruben Selles.

That has to be the worst managerial appointment I can recall in my life time and we have seen some dross over the years.

But this is taking the biscuit who was in charge of finding our next manager Stevie Wonder?

I was willing to give the new owners COH Sports the benefit of the doubt.

But they have already proven they are a set of chancers I.M.O and to me it looks like the Prince has sold us to a set of penniless owners who ar going to rely on cheap foreign Imports hoping they can come good and make a profit.

I am absolutely astounded at the decision to appoint Ruben Selles Cooper Ahmedhodzic Hamer Souza etc will be off and I guarantee the money will go on cheap foreign sh*te and league 1 players that are not good enough.

Any optimism I had for the new season has disappeared and I feel thoroughly depressed being a Blade yet again.

Because as soon as we get ourselves into a good position on and off the field the owners somehow manage to f it up.

And it appears we have another set of Chancers in COH Sports who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing.

I can see the atmosphere turning ugly at the Lane especially if we have a bad start.


And if any representatives of COH are reading this well done for turning our club into a laughing stock appointing a manager that wasn't even good enough for Hull.

Good morning Mr Wilder. I’m sorry your chair hadn’t even gone cold before it was reoccupied.

 

[Sparky The Blade]

Have we ever had a manager before that has never played football at any level?

 

[BangorBlade]

At least COH are decisive in making a decsion and not dithering about for weeks on end..........weather it's the right decision only time will tell.
I would have liked to see Wilder given time to complete a rebuild and not using as many loans BUT now we need to get behind the new management team and the squad he/AI puts together.

 

[Rodders]

Have we ever had a manager before that has never played football at any level?

Adkins I think

 

[Paisley Blade]

Have we ever had a manager before that has never played football at any level?

His job is to identify improvements in already gifted players, not sit on a bar stool and bore his players to death talking about his playing days.
Wenger and Jose were never in contention for the Ballon D’Or.

 

[programmechap]

1.

For me the appointment is there because he has been identified as having potential. When you look at the clubs he has been at, he was chucked in Hecky Mk2 style at Southampton where he didn’t have a chance but still managed to beat Chelsea away and get a 4-4 draw from Liverpool. At Reading he had zero cash with the club on the brink of going bust. He was chucked in at Hull being bottom of the league and managed to save them from relegation. He had a net spend of approx £1.5mill with some loan signings in January to keep them up. With some cash behind him and better players to work with there is potential that we drag ourselves and some of the fan base out of the factories, mills, steelworks, whippets and flat caps and into the 21st century.

1. His record at Southampton was slightly worse than their record pre his appointment and they finished bottom.
2. Had Reading not had points deductions, they would have finished 15th as opposed to 17th
3. On a PPG basis, Hull would have finished 14th or 15th had he been manager all season. For a club with (apparently) the 12th highest wage bill in the division, that's a slight under achievement.

His managerial record is therefore average to poor. He has no record of running a successful top end championship team.

I do wonder if this is a triumph of image over substance. Yep, a youngish educated bilingual manager looks great, but there's no evidence to suggest he can actually do the job we want him to do.

We will see, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us knocking around mid table in December and him being sacked by Xmas.

 

[programmechap]

Adkins I think

Adkins had 241 league appearances for Tranmere and Wigan. So I think Selles is our first ever manager to never have played professionally.

 

[NerdyBlade]

Shit like this? This is why we don't deserve nice things

 

[Dkc]

At least COH are decisive in making a decsion and not dithering about for weeks on end..........weather it's the right decision only time will tell.

They've been dithering in making a decision for weeks, since the Play Off final

 

[Richeee]

Could have been a lot worse...might have appointed big name Wayne Rooney...

 

[Torrix1889]

I do wonder if this is a triumph of image over substance. Yep, a youngish educated bilingual manager looks great, but there's no evidence to suggest he can actually do the job we want him to do.

there's no evidence to suggest he can't either.

He's been in charge at "troubled" clubs in desperate situations. He's never had a full pre season to discuss and implement recruitment, he's never had the opportunity to work with a group of players to put in place his strategy, everywhere else he has had to work with what he's been given.

Appreciate it is a gamble but I personally think it is a calculated one and one worth taking.

 

[Scarebus]

Flounciest thread ever

 

[LBA_Blade]

1.
1. His record at Southampton was slightly worse than their record pre his appointment and they finished bottom.
2. Had Reading not had points deductions, they would have finished 15th as opposed to 17th
3. On a PPG basis, Hull would have finished 14th or 15th had he been manager all season. For a club with (apparently) the 12th highest wage bill in the division, that's a slight under achievement.

His managerial record is therefore average to poor. He has no record of running a successful top end championship team.

I do wonder if this is a triumph of image over substance. Yep, a youngish educated bilingual manager looks great, but there's no evidence to suggest he can actually do the job we want him to do.

We will see, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us knocking around mid table in December and him being sacked by Xmas.

And that’s why I love this club, the negativity of Bramall Lane is so inspiring, not even 24 hours into the job a lot (not necessarily yourself) have written him off due to credentials. There is no point in trying to be a Premier League club if we want to have the “Sheffield identity” the Premier League strips you of that with overseas fan groups that follow a club because they like a player or colour of the kit. If we are looking to move forward we need to take a chance, Wilder is old fashioned now, his tactics when we finished 9th In the PL were fantastic mainly due to us playing fast flowing football with players that nobody has considered scouting or looking at. The vast majority of the League 1 squad followed us into the Premier League but then he got found out and didn’t have a plan B.

People have brought into doubt his professionalism especially during the Plymouth game however I don’t blame him as we don’t know what was said to start it, he isn’t the type of bloke to randomly have a pop without being provoked.

Very off topic but don’t forget Jose Mourinho started out as an interpreter for Bobby Robson when he was manager of Porto and Barcelona. Mourinho after a couple of short stints in his 3rd job took over Porto winning the league twice, Champions League and UEFA cup. Background has nothing to do with it.

 

[programmechap]

there's no evidence to suggest he can't either.

He's been in charge at "troubled" clubs in desperate situations. He's never had a full pre season to discuss and implement recruitment, he's never had the opportunity to work with a group of players to put in place his strategy, everywhere else he has had to work with what he's been given.

Appreciate it is a gamble but I personally think it is a calculated one and one worth taking.

The evidence that suggests he can't is that he hasn't, just as the evidence suggests that I can't is that I haven't.

 

[Sparky The Blade]

His job is to identify improvements in already gifted players, not sit on a bar stool and bore his players to death talking about his playing days.
Wenger and Jose were never in contention for the Ballon D’Or.

That’s an answer to an entirely different question to the one I asked.

 

[programmechap]

I don't

And that’s why I love this club, the negativity of Bramall Lane is so inspiring, not even 24 hours into the job a lot (not necessarily yourself) have written him off due to credentials. There is no point in trying to be a Premier League club if we want to have the “Sheffield identity” the Premier League strips you of that with overseas fan groups that follow a club because they like a player or colour of the kit. If we are looking to move forward we need to take a chance, Wilder is old fashioned now, his tactics when we finished 9th In the PL were fantastic mainly due to us playing fast flowing football with players that nobody has considered scouting or looking at. The vast majority of the League 1 squad followed us into the Premier League but then he got found out and didn’t have a plan B.

People have brought into doubt his professionalism especially during the Plymouth game however I don’t blame him as we don’t know what was said to start it, he isn’t the type of bloke to randomly have a pop without being provoked.

Very off topic but don’t forget Jose Mourinho started out as an interpreter for Bobby Robson when he was manager of Porto and Barcelona. Mourinho after a couple of short stints in his 3rd job took over Porto winning the league twice, Champions League and UEFA cup. Background has nothing to do with it.

It's not being negative. It's a rational appreciation of what looks a very strange decision. Replacing Wilder with a manager with a proven track record of achieving what we aim at - 2nd tier promotion - would be one thing. Replacing him with a manager with Selles' record is frankly bizzare.

 

[Torrix1889]

The evidence that suggests he can't is that he hasn't, just as the evidence suggests that I can't is that I haven't.

Then the world would grind to a halt as with your attitude nobody would ever even try or give anyone a chance...

 

[LBA_Blade]

I don't

It's not being negative. It's a rational appreciation of what looks a very strange decision. Replacing Wilder with a manager with a proven track record of achieving what we aim at - 2nd tier promotion - would be one thing. Replacing him with a manager with Selles' record is frankly bizzare.

Just out of interest how would you compare it to the appointment of David Weir at the time? For me that was one of the worst appointments going, least this guy has an ethos which hopefully the players buy into

 

[moody1889]

Leave it out Wit!

Get yersen back in the Banner Cross

 

[moody1889]

You may be right, but with little evidence to back your views I think it would be better to see what the squad looks like on 1st September and then how it progresses up to Christmas.
To write off a new manager before he starts work and new owners before they have had chance to implement their ideas is unfair.
Having read the latest Board statement I feel positive about the next few years and how the Club can progress.

I hope Ruben proves me wrong and makes me eat the biggest piece of humble pie ever and I will be man enough to apologise if he makes me eat my words.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Have we ever had a manager before that has never played football at any level?

Got me thinking which managers have we had with the best playing careers

In my lifetime….Top 5:

Robson
Bruce
Kendall
Heath
Clough

 

[Torrix1889]

Just out of interest how would you compare it to the appointment of David Weir at the time? For me that was one of the worst appointments going, least this guy has an ethos which hopefully the players buy into

David Weir came with good credentials and won every pre-season game, it was his first managerial gig and his last, yet he is still well respected in football circles and a technical director at B&HA, (who aren't doing too bad) so maybe just not cut out for a Management role..

Personally wouldn't put Selles in that category but I guess we will see.

 

[moody1889]

How about giving the guy a chance?

Now that i have calmed down i might just do that

 

[100% part time blade]

I think the idea that the new owners have no idea what they are doing and are making a really stupid decision is way off the mark.

Every manager is replaced by the owners eventually: the question is just when.

For a club of our size, one option is to just stick with whoever’s in charge until something forces the issue. If the team do incredibly well, the manager will leave and go to a bigger club. If the team do very badly, it will become necessary to take steps to rescue the situation with a managerial change. If you do that, then you end up with, typically, a mid-season appointment in difficult circumstances appointing whoever is available in a panic.

Another option is to plan for the change, thinking strategically about the best moment to make that change to give the best chance of it being successful.

As new owners, you can see why they would avoid making a change immediately when they acquired the club: it could destabilise the team mid-season, negatively affect the promotion push, leave the new coach with no time to prepare etc.

You can also see why now is a reasonable time to make a change. The weeks between a season ending and before the transfer window opens are the ideal time. This season we still have parachute payments to work with, which Year 2 and Year 3 could have gone. We have a competitive squad to work with. We have some young talent that are on an upward trajectory. It’s a reasonable business decision to press the button now on replacing the manager.

Of course it’s not without risk. It is very possible Wilder could have led the team to promotion next season, following in Hecky’s footsteps of failed play-offs to 2nd place finish. But it is equally possible we could have missed out again.

Some people seem to be interpreting this as if you sack a manager when he’s done a crap job, so the board are stupid, because Wilder clearly hasn’t done a crap job. Wilder did a good job. But the board see this as a good time to put someone else in charge of coaching the team. It’s a bold decision, based on thinking strategically over the coming seasons, but it’s not a stupid reactionary one.

 

[LBA_Blade]

David Weir came with good credentials and won every pre-season game, it was his first managerial gig and his last, yet he is still well respected in football circles and a technical director at B&HA, (who aren't doing too bad) so maybe just not cut out for a Management role..

Personally wouldn't put Selles in that category but I guess we will see.

Having the experience Selles has we don’t know yet if he will be under a DoF/ Technical director which could change things again. Time will tell i can see both sides

 

[Dkc]

I think the idea that the new owners have no idea what they are doing and are making a really stupid decision is way off the mark.

The owners will have solid reasoning behind the decision.

There were also solid reasons behind the decisions to sack Porterfield, Bassett, Warnock and Wilder mk 1 and replace them with McKewan, Kendall, Robson and Slav.

 

[Kev Gee]

Then the world would grind to a halt as with your attitude nobody would ever even try or give anyone a chance...

Your wasting your time mate.
Non of this foreign shite.
"Muck n nettles up n at em, gerrit forrad."
Brexit Blades only.

Is it a wonder why we always seem to be stuck in the past with fans like ours?

Isn't he only our second non British manager after Slav? Bergara was a caretaker I think.

For a club of our size, that's pretty awful.