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[Silky Sabella]

Why are Alan Biggs and Danny Hall so besotted in constantly fighting Wilders corner for him and almost pleading, begging the new owners not to sack him . Also, both have got their facts and numbers wrong about Blades fans wanting wilder to stay.
Surely, a journalist should have the interest of the football club at heart, not an individual.
If replacing wilder is to the benefit of Sheffield United and it's future success, that is what should be appreciated.

 

[b1ade4life]

How can the budget be irrelevant and him building a team is his job. He didn't do it out of charity that's the expectation, surely?

The point i raised was the expectation with that budget was not top 10, otherwise he wouldn't be in a job with that budget.

He failed if we expected promotion and was successful with top 3. His target with that budget is absolutely relevant.

So a certain amount to spend = promotion,try telling that to psg for the past 10 years ....he has to knit the team together which looking at the points return is say he did exceptionally well, and imo over achieved, there's no way I'd have said we would have got 92 points on the back of a full rebuild

 

[Nickydblade]

I give up. You win.

Yes he did

 

[paidsy]

Why are Alan Biggs and Danny Hall so besotted in constantly fighting Wilders corner for him and almost pleading, begging the new owners not to sack him . Also, both have got their facts and numbers wrong about Blades fans wanting wilder to stay.
Surely, a journalist should have the interest of the football club at heart, not an individual.
If replacing wilder is to the benefit of Sheffield United and it's future success, that is what should be appreciated.

The irony is those types of journo will always imply the ownership groups are living in a bubble. Meanwhile they are completely living in their own Wilder decorated one.

 

[ben1987]

The journos could be protecting their source.

They could get the odd snippet of info from Wilders circle and in exchange take his side.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I think board are split and those in favour of keeping Wilder have told those who want him replaced that they need to come up with a credible replacement before sacking Wilder. That is why there has been no announcement

Not necessarily, they could sack Wilder then wait and see who applies. Why rush it?

 

[Dkc]

Why are Alan Biggs and Danny Hall so besotted in constantly fighting Wilders corner for him and almost pleading, begging the new owners not to sack him . Also, both have got their facts and numbers wrong about Blades fans wanting wilder to stay.
Surely, a journalist should have the interest of the football club at heart, not an individual.
If replacing wilder is to the benefit of Sheffield United and it's future success, that is what should be appreciated.

Taking a punt on a new manager may bring future success, but the odds are it won't. I don't see Biggs or Hall 'begging the new owners not to sack him' unless I've missed something. None of us know how many of us fans want Wilder gone but I'd guess it's a small minority.

There are a few highly vocal posters on this forum demanding he be sacked and replaced with anyone. When their logic is questioned, they resort to meaningless cliches like 'football's moved on' and 'no Plan B.'

 

[Nah den]

Why are Alan Biggs and Danny Hall so besotted in constantly fighting Wilders corner for him and almost pleading, begging the new owners not to sack him . Also, both have got their facts and numbers wrong about Blades fans wanting wilder to stay.
Surely, a journalist should have the interest of the football club at heart, not an individual.
If replacing wilder is to the benefit of Sheffield United and it's future success, that is what should be appreciated.

I'd have thought the journos would want a change, more easy column inches to fill.

 

[Torrix1889]

Most people before last season thought we'd do well to get top 10 bearing in mind the shocker we had in the prem, if we had scraped into the play offs then ultimately lost would Wilder be getting this amount of stick from the fans,?? It seems he is a victim of his own success

What success?

 

[S17 Blade 1889]

So a certain amount to spend = promotion,try telling that to psg for the past 10 years ....he has to knit the team together which looking at the points return is say he did exceptionally well, and imo over achieved, there's no way I'd have said we would have got 92 points on the back of a full rebuild

Not sure what we're disagreeing on here, he has a budget and an expectation, we don't know what that was. The exam question is did he meet his target.

My expectation with that budget, but mine alone, would be top 3, so he met mine.

He is a highly paid elite manager, his job is to get United into the EPL. As for a full rebuild how many of the players purchased in the last 12 months have worked and how many remained from last season?

 

[BladesNo9]

Really surprised that noone has sussed this yet!!....
So, piecing together the happenings, incidents and occurences in the footballing world over the last few days by using my new-found 'Telepathetic Powers' of deduction = THIS!!............

Ange gets the Spursy El-bow!
Our new owner geezers get in touch, but Ange int 'Bladesy Bladey'!. Dilemma!!??
Ange (in Aussie accent!) "No dramas!, I'm on it, cobbers!"
1 "Me n Nick always said you was a 'tosser" phone call to Levy later and suddenly,.... Nick 'Bladey Blade' Montgomery is sacked by Spursy
Our new owner geezers on receipt of 'the nod' from Ange, then call a 'Presser' for this afternoon,......
"Gratitude n thanks to Chris,. TA!
And....
Our new Coaching team are Ange n (not quite everyone's) Bladey Blade' Nick Monty.
Thank you and all our love to all you Blades out there!"

YHIHF

A loada shite, but better than arguing amongst ourselves about summat we (NEVER) have any control over/of!

 

[Dkc]

If Wilder does depart, it would be poigniant if it was in the week that the man who arranged and produced the popular version of this song left us too.

 

[Roygbiv]

I'd say the majority want him to stay but most aren't going to be furious with the board if he goes like its being made out in certain quarters. There was much more outrage when he left last time.

There are Wilder fanatics on either side and they're always going to make the most noise but if he goes most fans will just wait to see what comes next. This isn't something like Deane and Fjortoft being sold or Danny Wilson being appointed where everybody was on the same page. It's a divisive manager who some fans are overly emotional about potentially leaving.

I'd keep him and think it's a big risk sacking him. I don't think it's outrageous that a new board will want their own man after we failed to go up though. It's being pushed as if there's going to be angry protests when the majority will think "not sure about that" and wait for what happens next.

 

[Rodley]

I'd say the majority want him to stay but most aren't going to be furious with the board if he goes like its being made out in certain quarters. There was much more outrage when he left last time.

There are Wilder fanatics on either side and they're always going to make the most noise but if he goes most fans will just wait to see what comes next. This isn't something like Deane and Fjortoft being sold on the last day or Danny Wilson being appointed where everybody was on the same page. It's a divisive manager who some fans are overly emotional about potentially leaving.

I'd keep him and think it's a big risk sacking him. I don't think it's outrageous that a new board will want their own man after we failed to go up though. It's being pushed as if there's going to be angry protests when the majority will think "not sure about that" and wait for what happens next.

I think it’s probably timing and process which is more worrying than the decision itself.

 

[Roygbiv]

I think it’s probably timing and process which is more worrying than the decision itself.

I totally understand the concerns on that count but we don't know what's going on. They might be busy finalising a deal for another manager or he might not be leaving at all

 

[Rodders]

I'd say the majority want him to stay but most aren't going to be furious with the board if he goes like its being made out in certain quarters. There was much more outrage when he left last time.

There are Wilder fanatics on either side and they're always going to make the most noise but if he goes most fans will just wait to see what comes next. This isn't something like Deane and Fjortoft being sold or Danny Wilson being appointed where everybody was on the same page. It's a divisive manager who some fans are overly emotional about potentially leaving.

I'd keep him and think it's a big risk sacking him. I don't think it's outrageous that a new board will want their own man after we failed to go up though. It's being pushed as if there's going to be angry protests when the majority will think "not sure about that" and wait for what happens next.

Yep, same as me. I will always have unwavering respect and affection for CW for basically saving the club in 2016, and the unbelievable journey up to 2020 - but as we know, he’s stuck in his ways with a pub team mentality and thinks he’s untouchable here. If the owners want to go in a different direction, I’m nervous about it but understanding.

 

[54yrblade]

From Wilders perspective, if he can get a contract payout after just picking up 92 points.. then he's looking very employable.

Which clubs with top 6 aspirations would see him as an improvement on

I'd say the majority want him to stay but most aren't going to be furious with the board if he goes like its being made out in certain quarters. There was much more outrage when he left last time.

There are Wilder fanatics on either side and they're always going to make the most noise but if he goes most fans will just wait to see what comes next. This isn't something like Deane and Fjortoft being sold or Danny Wilson being appointed where everybody was on the same page. It's a divisive manager who some fans are overly emotional about potentially leaving.

I'd keep him and think it's a big risk sacking him. I don't think it's outrageous that a new board will want their own man after we failed to go up though. It's being pushed as if there's going to be angry protests when the majority will think "not sure about that" and wait for what happens next.

A good, balanced post.

CW's claim to have reconnected the club is now on very thin ice. He did when he first joined, not so in the second coming and the comments from his vociferous support recently would suggest that 'reconnection' is far from where we are now.

 

[Badger Blade]

I'm fairly easy either way around whether Wilder stays or goes.

He did at least as well as could be expected before a ball was kicked but its a case for me of what Wilder's ceiling is. Is he a Premier League level manager or is he just slowly becoming Warnock mk2? Some of his behaviour has been downright embarrassing alongside some of the baffling substitutions and tactical decisions, especially during games where we've looked disjointed yet had a decent squad of players that he sometimes doesn't really appear to know what to do with.

We stumbled when it came to the crunch - failing to take any points off Burnley or Leeds, the screw ups against Oxford, Plymouth and Millwall and the play off final where I think we knew once we'd calmed down after Campbell scored that we'd batten down the hatches and hope that we get over the line rather than force the issue and put the game to bed - something that we got away with against some of the lesser teams but came to bite us when it mattered most.

If we did that in the Premier League, there would be thrashings aplenty - any defence trying to do that with the "culture carrier" Jack Robinson at the heart of is doomed to fail.

It always felt that the team had another gear to shift into but was reluctant to do it. The question is which factor needs to change to give us that extra edge to get us up, is it a new manager, some new players or a combination of both? That's up to the owners and their fresh sets of eyes over how we're run could just be what's needed without any bias or preconceptions.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

A good, balanced post.

CW's claim to have reconnected the club is now on very thin ice. He did when he first joined, not so in the second coming and the comments from his vociferous support recently would suggest that reconnection is far from where we are now.

Wilder did an immense job in bringing the fans & club together after the worst season I remember under Adkins, the atmosphere was toxic. He then embarked on a journey and took us along, free scoring full backs, new legends, outside of Bassett the best times I remember.

Question is, after last season and numerous doubts about playing style, robustness and behaviour is he the manager for next season?

One thing I remember fondly is in his first spell he rid us of the utd will find a way to fuck things up, I always felt we could get a result even in trying circumstances (think Brentford when down to 10) I never had that same feeling last season.

 

[Pandev]

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I'm fairly easy either way around whether Wilder stays or goes.

He did at least as well as could be expected before a ball was kicked but its a case for me of what Wilder's ceiling is. Is he a Premier League level manager or is he just slowly becoming Warnock mk2? Some of his behaviour has been downright embarrassing alongside some of the baffling substitutions and tactical decisions, especially during games where we've looked disjointed yet had a decent squad of players that he sometimes doesn't really appear to know what to do with.

We stumbled when it came to the crunch - failing to take any points off Burnley or Leeds, the screw ups against Oxford, Plymouth and Millwall and the play off final where I think we knew once we'd calmed down after Campbell scored that we'd batten down the hatches and hope that we get over the line rather than force the issue and put the game to bed - something that we got away with against some of the lesser teams but came to bite us when it mattered most.

If we did that in the Premier League, there would be thrashings aplenty - any defence trying to do that with the "culture carrier" Jack Robinson at the heart of is doomed to fail.

It always felt that the team had another gear to shift into but was reluctant to do it. The question is which factor needs to change to give us that extra edge to get us up, is it a new manager, some new players or a combination of both? That's up to the owners and their fresh sets of eyes over how we're run could just be what's needed without any bias or preconceptions.

You've nailed my thoughts in a nutshell there pal

 

[Weasel]

For me, id prefer him to stay as i think we will go very well next season if he stays and is financially backed (think we would go up automatically which is ultimately what the new owners want asap).

They said, i can see the other side of the argument in that he does have his weaknesses and is too stubborn at times playing his favourites and not playing players who have been brought in i.e. Holding for Robinson.

So im OK either way tbh, but would prefer him to be given another shot at it. The team fines and the silly antics on and off the field though need to be toned down. He's not a young lad now and should lead by example.

 

[Espania blade]

This saga is the longest I have ever heard of when firing an employee and I've done a few.

 

[CPB]

It’s been a long meeting….

I know.... I'm very concerned about all the takeaways they must have ordered on the clubs credit card. Must be at least 4 meals by now.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

You've nailed my thoughts in a nutshell there pal

Wouldn't the nutshell smash and the thoughts pop out?

 

[chesblade]

All depends if meeting is in America as to when we will hear something

 

[Guesty]

"Wood work"? What is this, a Secondary School D&T course?

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Wouldn't the nutshell smash and the thoughts pop out?

Ha ha! Mixing me metaphors there!

 

[54yrblade]

Wilder did an immense job in bringing the fans & club together after the worst season I remember under Adkins, the atmosphere was toxic. He then embarked on a journey and took us along, free scoring full backs, new legends, outside of Bassett the best times I remember.

Question is, after last season and numerous doubts about playing style, robustness and behaviour is he the manager for next season?

One thing I remember fondly is in his first spell he rid us of the utd will find a way to fuck things up, I always felt we could get a result even in trying circumstances (think Brentford when down to 10) I never had that same feeling last season.

He absolutely did - no question.

I also remember that Adkins took that painful walk of shame round BDTBL after the awful game against Scunthorpe in May 2016 when he and the players were roundly belittled and abused by what fans were left in the ground. The team were pretty dreadful that season but he had the minerals to show leadership and take it on the chin, not scuttling off down the tunnel at Wembley and avoiding the fans and being with his team in a tough moment.

That magical spell from 2016 is long in the past now and the current CW is nothing like that one, and it's a shame.