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On multiple occasions over the past 10 months, there has been intense debate on this forum over the tactics employed by Wilder and his staff. Specifically, the apparent acceptance of winning games only 1-0. Scoring a solitary goal, before spending the rest of the game primarily focused on not conceding to our opponents. Whilst I recognise the the aim of a game of football is to emerge the victor, and this tactical approach did just that on a number of occasions, it has ultimately cost us promotion. The decision to not try and play games as the dominant force, and instead to be passive and try to steal a goal, has caused some of our most significant games this season to end in defeat - the two biggest examples of this being the home fixture with Leeds, and of course the final vs Sunderland. In both games we have assumed the initiative, gotten ourselves deservedly into a lead, and then failed to extend it. We have then gone on to allow these 2 opponents to dictate the flow of the game, attempting to repel their attempts to gain parity, and we have been unsuccessful in this endeavour on both occasions.

With that said, I absolutely do not want to see us play this way next season. And this is regardless of whether Wilder remains in charge, or we find someone else - we simply cannot, with the talent at our disposal, be so meek as to allow opponents the luxury of probing for openings like we did in the 2 games I mention above. To that end, I'm curious - how do you change things?

Given the available squad, and the luxury of the transfer window, how do you set up to blast our way to promotion next season?

I personally would not divert far from the way we were set up at the start of the season, but I would drastically change the mentality.

I like the idea of a 4-3-3. I also like "inverted" wingers. We just did not exploit them in the best way this season.

To that end, I'd firstly go back in for Jonjoe Kenny. The lad clearly wanted to come in January, it just wasn't meant to be at the time. He has the 2nd best return for assists by a defender in the German 2nd tier this season (Only bettered by a left back, which we don't need). Featured in all bar 2 league games this season (32 of 34), so fitness should not be an issue. Having someone of his quality getting forward as a wide option, allows the winger in front the freedom of choice, in whether they try to beat the full back to the byline, hold and wait for the overlap, or cut inside with the ball.

I'd look at Kwame Poku from Peterborough as a RW option. He was in blistering form at the start of the season - 10 goals and 5 assists in 18 league games, 16 of which he played a RW role. He was admittedly struck down by a hamstring injury for a while, but he performed well once again when he had recovered - 2 goals, 3 assists in 10 league appearances. He's a reasonable height for a winger at 5' 10", and has international experience too - 1 appearance so far for the Ghanaian national team.

For the LW, and assuming that Hamer will depart this summer, my ideal choice would be Tom Fellows from West Brom. Top assister in the Champ with 14 (tied with Josh Murphy at Pompey), but I suspect he will be on the radar at Premier League level. So instead, I'd be in for Louie Barry from Villa. He picked up a knee injury with Hull, but reports from them suggested he was on course to be fit around the end of the season. This article quotes the then Hull boss as saying that Barry had a chance to be fit for the last 2 or 3 games of the season. That proved not to be the case, but it seems like he shouldn't be far from full recovery based on the above.

With Barry and Poku cutting in from the wings, and Burrows and Kenny pushing forward from full back to provide the width, I'd then play with a 3 in midfield, each dedicated to a different role.

Firstly, a defensive lynchpin. For now, this would be Vini Souza. Having him focus solely on being a screen in front of the centre backs, means he should avoid getting caught out of position if we are countered on. A few times this season, as the midfield has pushed forward, he has had to be the one to make a lung-busting run back to make a challenge. Having him sit deeper, and focusing on winning the ball, should relieve him of some of this physical stress.

Next is a metronome; a man to dictate the pace of our play, to keep the ball moving and to unsettle opposing defences. Assuming he is fit, I'd put Arblaster in this role. He is very comfortable on the ball, and would be free to roam and offer himself up as a free man to keep the ball moving, ensuring that we do not allow rival defences to get comfortable.

And third, is a penetrator. The one with licence to break forward and support the front line. A player akin to how Josh Brownhill has performed for Burnley this season is exactly what I would want for this position - technically adept, smart in possession, and with that inherent knowledge of where to position himself to get that chance at goal. O'Hare might be the best option we have available (again assuming that Hamer does leave this summer), however I feel like he can be wasteful in possession. When he has time to control the ball and consider his options, he tends to either attempt an unnecessary flick that gives the ball away, or he runs with the ball to a dead end. One that I would like to see us go for is Leo Walta. Plays for Sirius in the Swedish top tier currently. They are about 1/3 through their season currently, and he is sitting at 5 goals from 11 games. I've been unable to locate any passing stats for him (my go to places don't hold these figures for Swedish football), but I'm impressed by him overall.

As for the defence, it is impossible to argue at this point that continuing with Robinson starting at CB is untenable. I'd be looking into getting Rob Holding back - he oozed class whenever he played, and would be a vital source of experience in what is a relatively young side otherwise.

As far as a partner to him is concerned, we obviously have Jimmy Dunne and Harry Darling as options, but I also like the look of Nelson Abbey. Contracted to Olympiacos, but has been out on loan this season, firstly to Swansea where he only played in an EFL cup tie, and then to Rio Ave in the Portuguese top division. He's a left-footed defender, capable of playing at CB or LB if required. Rio Ave finished 11th in the Portuguese league, and had an admittedly poor defence, however they did reasonably well with Abbey in the side - 9 goals conceded in 8 games, with 1 clean sheet. Half those games he played centrally, and half were at full back. In comparison, in their 26 other league games not featuring Abbey, they conceded 46 goals. He's also one to have come out of Reading, who are doing great things with youngsters right now, amidst all the absurdities they've been dealing with off the pitch - this past season they had 11 players aged 21 or less make at least 10 appearances.

Lastly, a backup for Ty up front. I'm not convinced that Cannon will become anything more than he currently is (though I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong), and playing someone of Moore's physique just encourages the defence to thump it away aimlessly (we did exactly this a huge amount when we had McBurnie). While I think Oné has potential, I'd find him a loan, and bring in someone with more experience at a similar level. There are multiple possibilities we could look at here. The most obvious one for me is Richard Kone at Wycombe. He's been played often as a sole striker by Wycombe this season, at the head of a 4-2-3-1 mostly, and has bagged a hatful. He's reasonably strong, quick, able to carry the ball forward, and seems able to create his own shooting opportunities, which make him a great asset to have on a counter attack. Now that Wycombe are confirmed to be in League One for another season, I imagine there will be a few clubs interested in him, though he'll cost a few bob.

From there, you likely have a few squad places up for grabs which we might be able to fill with a few strong free agents. I wouldn't say no to a stronger backup keeper than Adam Davies too, but that wouldn't be a priority for me.

So my ideal setup would be:

GK: Cooper (A. Davies)

DF: Kenny, Holding, Abbey, Burrows (Seriki, Anel, Darling, McCallum)

DM: Vini (TBC - would especially like Hamza to come back though)

MF: Arblaster, Walta (T. Davies, Peck, O'Hare)

RW: Poku (Brooks)

LW: Fellows/Barry (Brewster (if re-signed)/Jeff)

ST: Campbell (Kone)

There's probably room for improvement in there, and I haven't given full consideration to backups, especially for the DM and LW positions, but that would be my ideal set up next year.
 

Sounds good in theory but the vast majority of our fans on social media are only interested in the RESULT.

I’m different….i enjoy entertainment and value the performance but im fighting a losing battle. When we win im able to see negatives and even after a defeat i can usually come up with plenty of positives.

It’s a shame really but the fashion these days is to have polarised extreme opinions with little ability to be critical and see the bigger picture.

The equation goes
When we win = we were brilliant
When we lose = we were crap, sack the manager, sack the board.
 
Score more goals than them tactic. Majority of the money being spent on attacking midfielders who can last 90 minutes.
 
I would like us to be more direct in our attacking … and I don’t mean long ball.

I would like us to play more through balls in to channels for strikers to run on to.

I would like us to be more adventurous and expansive with our play instead of playing it safe and backwards all the time.

I would like us to be able to play different tactics throughout a game and set up for different games where needed.

I would like us to be able to respond better to what the opposition does during the game (when needed)

First half against Sunderland - I could see that the clear plan was to hit to Kieffer when we were in possession and they had men behind the ball and to draw them on to us when they had it and then hit on the break in behind particularly their right back. Ultimately this was where the goal came from.

Second half they changed their tactics and the only response we had was to try and hold on. As a result we lost or foothold in the game the attacking slowly stopped and the momentum shifted and the rest was history.
 
Honestly I don't mind the 4-2-3-1 , but we need better players for behind the single striker
As we stand ( agree on a better back up keeper) if we manage to keep everyone
1 right back
3 centre halves
3 attacking players be they wingers or no 10,s
And a striker to rotate with Campbell/Cannon top of my list would be piroe !!

Its all academic because if wilder stays we can expect the same turgid, bad decision football we've seen this last season
And we've no idea what the owners are thinking
 
On multiple occasions over the past 10 months, there has been intense debate on this forum over the tactics employed by Wilder and his staff. Specifically, the apparent acceptance of winning games only 1-0. Scoring a solitary goal, before spending the rest of the game primarily focused on not conceding to our opponents. Whilst I recognise the the aim of a game of football is to emerge the victor, and this tactical approach did just that on a number of occasions, it has ultimately cost us promotion. The decision to not try and play games as the dominant force, and instead to be passive and try to steal a goal, has caused some of our most significant games this season to end in defeat - the two biggest examples of this being the home fixture with Leeds, and of course the final vs Sunderland. In both games we have assumed the initiative, gotten ourselves deservedly into a lead, and then failed to extend it. We have then gone on to allow these 2 opponents to dictate the flow of the game, attempting to repel their attempts to gain parity, and we have been unsuccessful in this endeavour on both occasions.

With that said, I absolutely do not want to see us play this way next season. And this is regardless of whether Wilder remains in charge, or we find someone else - we simply cannot, with the talent at our disposal, be so meek as to allow opponents the luxury of probing for openings like we did in the 2 games I mention above. To that end, I'm curious - how do you change things?

Given the available squad, and the luxury of the transfer window, how do you set up to blast our way to promotion next season?

I personally would not divert far from the way we were set up at the start of the season, but I would drastically change the mentality.

I like the idea of a 4-3-3. I also like "inverted" wingers. We just did not exploit them in the best way this season.

To that end, I'd firstly go back in for Jonjoe Kenny. The lad clearly wanted to come in January, it just wasn't meant to be at the time. He has the 2nd best return for assists by a defender in the German 2nd tier this season (Only bettered by a left back, which we don't need). Featured in all bar 2 league games this season (32 of 34), so fitness should not be an issue. Having someone of his quality getting forward as a wide option, allows the winger in front the freedom of choice, in whether they try to beat the full back to the byline, hold and wait for the overlap, or cut inside with the ball.

I'd look at Kwame Poku from Peterborough as a RW option. He was in blistering form at the start of the season - 10 goals and 5 assists in 18 league games, 16 of which he played a RW role. He was admittedly struck down by a hamstring injury for a while, but he performed well once again when he had recovered - 2 goals, 3 assists in 10 league appearances. He's a reasonable height for a winger at 5' 10", and has international experience too - 1 appearance so far for the Ghanaian national team.

For the LW, and assuming that Hamer will depart this summer, my ideal choice would be Tom Fellows from West Brom. Top assister in the Champ with 14 (tied with Josh Murphy at Pompey), but I suspect he will be on the radar at Premier League level. So instead, I'd be in for Louie Barry from Villa. He picked up a knee injury with Hull, but reports from them suggested he was on course to be fit around the end of the season. This article quotes the then Hull boss as saying that Barry had a chance to be fit for the last 2 or 3 games of the season. That proved not to be the case, but it seems like he shouldn't be far from full recovery based on the above.

With Barry and Poku cutting in from the wings, and Burrows and Kenny pushing forward from full back to provide the width, I'd then play with a 3 in midfield, each dedicated to a different role.

Firstly, a defensive lynchpin. For now, this would be Vini Souza. Having him focus solely on being a screen in front of the centre backs, means he should avoid getting caught out of position if we are countered on. A few times this season, as the midfield has pushed forward, he has had to be the one to make a lung-busting run back to make a challenge. Having him sit deeper, and focusing on winning the ball, should relieve him of some of this physical stress.

Next is a metronome; a man to dictate the pace of our play, to keep the ball moving and to unsettle opposing defences. Assuming he is fit, I'd put Arblaster in this role. He is very comfortable on the ball, and would be free to roam and offer himself up as a free man to keep the ball moving, ensuring that we do not allow rival defences to get comfortable.

And third, is a penetrator. The one with licence to break forward and support the front line. A player akin to how Josh Brownhill has performed for Burnley this season is exactly what I would want for this position - technically adept, smart in possession, and with that inherent knowledge of where to position himself to get that chance at goal. O'Hare might be the best option we have available (again assuming that Hamer does leave this summer), however I feel like he can be wasteful in possession. When he has time to control the ball and consider his options, he tends to either attempt an unnecessary flick that gives the ball away, or he runs with the ball to a dead end. One that I would like to see us go for is Leo Walta. Plays for Sirius in the Swedish top tier currently. They are about 1/3 through their season currently, and he is sitting at 5 goals from 11 games. I've been unable to locate any passing stats for him (my go to places don't hold these figures for Swedish football), but I'm impressed by him overall.

As for the defence, it is impossible to argue at this point that continuing with Robinson starting at CB is untenable. I'd be looking into getting Rob Holding back - he oozed class whenever he played, and would be a vital source of experience in what is a relatively young side otherwise.

As far as a partner to him is concerned, we obviously have Jimmy Dunne and Harry Darling as options, but I also like the look of Nelson Abbey. Contracted to Olympiacos, but has been out on loan this season, firstly to Swansea where he only played in an EFL cup tie, and then to Rio Ave in the Portuguese top division. He's a left-footed defender, capable of playing at CB or LB if required. Rio Ave finished 11th in the Portuguese league, and had an admittedly poor defence, however they did reasonably well with Abbey in the side - 9 goals conceded in 8 games, with 1 clean sheet. Half those games he played centrally, and half were at full back. In comparison, in their 26 other league games not featuring Abbey, they conceded 46 goals. He's also one to have come out of Reading, who are doing great things with youngsters right now, amidst all the absurdities they've been dealing with off the pitch - this past season they had 11 players aged 21 or less make at least 10 appearances.

Lastly, a backup for Ty up front. I'm not convinced that Cannon will become anything more than he currently is (though I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong), and playing someone of Moore's physique just encourages the defence to thump it away aimlessly (we did exactly this a huge amount when we had McBurnie). While I think Oné has potential, I'd find him a loan, and bring in someone with more experience at a similar level. There are multiple possibilities we could look at here. The most obvious one for me is Richard Kone at Wycombe. He's been played often as a sole striker by Wycombe this season, at the head of a 4-2-3-1 mostly, and has bagged a hatful. He's reasonably strong, quick, able to carry the ball forward, and seems able to create his own shooting opportunities, which make him a great asset to have on a counter attack. Now that Wycombe are confirmed to be in League One for another season, I imagine there will be a few clubs interested in him, though he'll cost a few bob.

From there, you likely have a few squad places up for grabs which we might be able to fill with a few strong free agents. I wouldn't say no to a stronger backup keeper than Adam Davies too, but that wouldn't be a priority for me.

So my ideal setup would be:

GK: Cooper (A. Davies)

DF: Kenny, Holding, Abbey, Burrows (Seriki, Anel, Darling, McCallum)

DM: Vini (TBC - would especially like Hamza to come back though)

MF: Arblaster, Walta (T. Davies, Peck, O'Hare)

RW: Poku (Brooks)

LW: Fellows/Barry (Brewster (if re-signed)/Jeff)

ST: Campbell (Kone)

There's probably room for improvement in there, and I haven't given full consideration to backups, especially for the DM and LW positions, but that would be my ideal set up next year.
Good post, I'm definitely with you on the adjustment in mentality - we need to get our swagger back like we had in the peak years of Wilderball. I can see why CW has been more cautious with a squad that was only put together at the back end of the summer, but even with the ins and outs we will have a much more settled setup than we did this time last year so should spend the summer training those who are staying to be more attack-minded, and bring in targeted new faces specifically to make this possible.
 
Sounds good in theory but the vast majority of our fans on social media are only interested in the RESULT.

I’m different….i enjoy entertainment and value the performance but im fighting a losing battle. When we win im able to see negatives and even after a defeat i can usually come up with plenty of positives.

It’s a shame really but the fashion these days is to have polarised extreme opinions with little ability to be critical and see the bigger picture.

The equation goes
When we win = we were brilliant
When we lose = we were crap, sack the manager, sack the board.

In other words, it ain’t how, it’s how many
 
I think 4-2-3-1 is fine in concept but our execution over the season with it was questionable at best. Hamer cutting in early in build up made it incredibly easy to defend against us as opponents knew there was no threat down the left so could compress the pitch and defend narrow as long as their winger kept an eye on Burrows. It also didn't help us when playing out of the back as Burrows would look up for an option and see just empty grass to play into, with the only passing option being Robinson next to him. So we ended up passing it around the back in a turgid style. Contrast that to how the promoted teams played with high and wide wingers to start with, with overlapping and underlapping full backs asking questions of defences; the only question we asked of the opposition defence was how many passes we could put together between Anel, Robinson and Choudhury before they fell asleep!

There is an argument that the team was bodged together over little time in the summer so it was the best Wilder could do, but he had January to address the issues and still persisted with it, with most of the January transfers making little to no impact.

We need quick tricky wingers to come in as an essential if we are to play 4-2-3-1 who are willing to consistently take on their full backs, Leeds, Burnley and Sunderland all had these in abundance, with Sunderland really killing us in the Play Off Final with square pegs in square holes coming off the bench. I am resigned to losing Anel, Hamer and Souza but all are replaceable and in Hamers case if we can replace him with threatening wingers we can be more of a consistent threat throughout games rather than relying on a bit of magic from one player.

Poku is an obvious choice for one winger. It'll be interesting to see what our AI scouting overlords can find. I made the suggestion of Serginho from Viborg FF in another thread who has rocked up 11 assists and 5 goals this season from the right wing.

Besfort Zeneli could be someone who could replace Vini Souza, was really impressed with him in the Europa for Elfsborg, would also add some output to central midfield which we have lacked since Arblasters injury.

 

Some great points made and I couldn't really argue with any of it really.
However, I thought we already had more than most sides this season in terms of both talent and options of how to best utilise them.
I think we lacked leadership and drive on the pitch, that willingness and desire to win well, both when we were leading in matches and when we weren't, too many just accepted a game drifting away, Saturday being a prime example.
A lot of games were won because we had better players that could produce key moments. We rarely got hold of a game by the scruff of the neck and dominated.
Those intangibles, that inner character of a player who's desire to win exceeds or at least matches his technical ability is what's required when it comes to recruitment.
 
Differently

Without some deeply ingrained inferiority complex ideally

I want us to outclass teams, not grind them into the ground. I want us to realise that you don't have to stop at 2-0

This doesn't mean being possession obsessed and it doesn't mean disregarding having a solid base

It is well within our grasp at this level to strike a very good balance of style and substance

Is Wilder capable of changing in this direction? I don't think so
 
Some great points made and I couldn't really argue with any of it really.
However, I thought we already had more than most sides this season in terms of both talent and options of how to best utilise them.
I think we lacked leadership and drive on the pitch, that willingness and desire to win well, both when we were leading in matches and when we weren't, too many just accepted a game drifting away, Saturday being a prime example.
A lot of games were won because we had better players that could produce key moments. We rarely got hold of a game by the scruff of the neck and dominated.
Those intangibles, that inner character of a player who's desire to win exceeds or at least matches his technical ability is what's required when it comes to recruitment.
Someone a la Steven Gerrard or Roy Keane... But who fits that bill?
 
I want to see swashbuckle, camped in the opposition half for most of the game, lots of rotation and risk to get more than 1 goal a game.
 
I want to see swashbuckle, camped in the opposition half for most of the game, lots of rotation and risk to get more than 1 goal a game.
It sounds simplistic but I would love this! I watched the best football I can remember under Wilder the first time round. I don’t know where this cautious approach has come from, and I would love to see a return to that.
 
The best football I have seen us play has probably been 2002-03 and 2016/17. In both those seasons we dominated possession with McCall, Tonge, Brown then Fleck, Coutts, Duffy basically strangling the opposition. I cant see why we cant do that again with say Arblaster, Peck, Souza, or Arblaster, Hamer, Souza, or Ablaster Peck, Hamer etc. Work out how you want to retain possession and create attacking options then fit the rest round it. It could be 3-5-2 or 4-3-2-1, 4-5-1-1, 4-3-3 whatever I just want us to give the opposition the runaround.
 
In the words of the old chant

Attack, Attack
Attack Attack Attack!

Concede 5 score 6!

That'd create some atmosphere an'all
😁

Wouldn’t be like tho.

Would more likely….one week win 5-0….the week after lose 4-0.

Imagine the melt down on here getting thrashed in the Championship…fans would be calling an instant sacking.
 
Some great points made and I couldn't really argue with any of it really.
However, I thought we already had more than most sides this season in terms of both talent and options of how to best utilise them.
I think we lacked leadership and drive on the pitch, that willingness and desire to win well, both when we were leading in matches and when we weren't, too many just accepted a game drifting away, Saturday being a prime example.
A lot of games were won because we had better players that could produce key moments. We rarely got hold of a game by the scruff of the neck and dominated.
Those intangibles, that inner character of a player who's desire to win exceeds or at least matches his technical ability is what's required when it comes to recruitment.
Your point about lacking leadership is spot on.

We don’t have a natural leader out on the pitch and it shows when we struggle, especially when we start losing our shape and formation.

The captain should be the focal point for everything that is happening on the pitch.
 

Its a lot to think about, and a lot to work on.

1) whatever formation we play, (be it 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 3-4-1-2) CB's have got to be top of the shopping list this summer, we've got 2 senior CB's, one of whom (Anel) might not even be here come September.
2) we need more goals from CM, we've scored 3 goals (Arblaster X2, T Davies X1) from CM this season, not including the goals from CAM by O'Hare, we cannot go up without those goals.
3) more goals from corners, not set pieces as a whole, but specifically from corners, we did score more corners towards the end, but it still wasn't enough.
4) if we go with wingers again, we need at minimum 2/3 to compliment Brooks, Hamer and Brewster (assuming the latter 2 stay), neither Hamer or Brewster are proper wingers, but they did a job there.
5) if we go with 2 strikers, I'd quickly assess Oné, if he's good enough he's 4th striker, if not, send him out on loan and bring someone in, Emil Riis Jacobson on a free would be a decent choice.

We've got a big summer ahead of us, and part 2 of the rebuild has already started.

Edit:
6) leaders, we need some in this squad, especially when we're under pressure late in games.
 

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