Gap between Premier League and Championship

[brownblade]

The whole world isn't fair mate never has been.

I'd noticed. This is organised football though and there's no reason that major long-term cheating should go without serious punishment.

 

[Rodley]

I always wonder about the Cat 1 status, yes it would be nice to be recognised as a "top academy" but other than a bit of additional funding and resources. I guess your net is spread a bit wider and there is less chance of players being poached but other than that, it still requires the funding being pumped in. Even without Cat 1 status we have produced international quality players especially defensively. It's a difficult balance as we need investment in the squad, academy investment and eventually stadium and infrastructure improvements whilst trying to be competitive in which ever league we are in. We either accept every other year or so to be a shit show in the Premier League whilst that year is spent on academy investment, squad investment needs constant box ticking but depending on priorities of stadium development/improvement it is when you do that. The ideal time would have been with the lower attendances of League 1 but we didn't have the cash.

We have the chance to nick the best young players from Cat 2 academies and protect our own assets from being nicked.

It’s a no brainer for me.

 

[LBA_Blade]

We have the chance to nick the best young players from Cat 2 academies and protect our own assets from being nicked.

It’s a no brainer for me.

If the chance is there then definitely a no brainer but that will take up a big resourcing department in terms of scouting from Cat 2. Unless it’s targeted strategy we could throw a lot at it for no more value on the return

 

[scouseblade]

I honestly think Man City would need to get more than a points deduction, let’s face it they could have 30 points deducted and still comfortably stay up

Prob still make it into Europe

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Looks like it's gonna need over 40 points to stay up this season. If we happen to make it, can you honestly seeing us getting over 40 points?

 

[ZLB]

Looks like it's gonna need over 40 points to stay up this season. If we happen to make it, can you honestly seeing us getting over 40 points?

40 ?

 

[chesblade]

Whoever goes up will be straight back down, it's a closed shop now. Anyone above the bottom 3 have the chance to invest better and bring in better players, even there benches are superior to teams going up main teams

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Looks like it's gonna need over 40 points to stay up this season. If we happen to make it, can you honestly seeing us getting over 40 points?

The way things are going it could be less than 30. How did you get to 40? I always work on one more point than the third bottom team makes you safe. This season I doubt any of the bottom three are going to make it above 29.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

The way things are going it could be less than 30. How did you get to 40? I always work on one more point than the third bottom team makes you safe. This season I doubt any of the bottom three are going to make it above 29.

What position do you need to stay up? 4th bottom? Agreed. 4th bottom are on 35 points with 6 games to play.

You need 4th bottom to become 3rd bottom, so you need at least 35 points TODAY. Read it well

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Or to simplify it... how many points do Ipswich need to stay up, as a snapshot now

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

What position do you need to stay up? 4th bottom? Agreed. 4th bottom are on 35 points with 6 games to play.

You need 4th bottom to become 3rd bottom, so you need at least 35 points TODAY. Read it well

You only need one point more than the third bottom team to stay up. It’s irrelevant what the fourth bottom team has at the moment. The fourth bottom team today is West Ham on 35 points. If they only had 22 points, they would still be the fourth bottom team. To be safe this year it is likely that 30 points will suffice (unless Ipswich go on some mad point winning spree, which seems extremely unlikely)

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

40 ?

Need a point more than the team occupying 4th bottom in order to leap them, so they are 3rd bottom. Currently Spam on 35 points with 6 to play

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

You only need one point more than the third bottom team to stay up. It’s irrelevant what the fourth bottom team has at the moment. The fourth bottom team today is West Ham on 35 points. If they only had 22 points, they would still be the fourth bottom team. To be safe this year it is likely that 30 points will suffice (unless Ipswich go on some mad point winning spree, which seems extremely unlikely)

But 4th bottom have 35 points. I don't understand your argument? The gap between bottom three to the rest is huge.

Actually I understand your point, but the 4th bottom team is seemingly getting 20 points more (double) the team 3rd bottom. So in order to stay up, the number will rarely deviate from the 38,39,40 or 41

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Or to simplify it... how many points do Ipswich need to stay up, as a snapshot now

As it stands today they need one more point than West Ham on 35 points. To achieve that West Ham would have to lose all of their remaining matches, while Ipswich (currently on 21 points) would need 15 points from the six remaining matches (ie five wins) which seems highly unlikely.

 

[The Fox]

Read this morning that 9 !!! PL clubs playing in Europe next season , pretty much half the league.
6 clubs playing in the " champions league " alone , each automatically get £15.7m
Whatever gap there was is widening .

 

[Brian Deane]

Read this morning that 9 !!! PL clubs playing in Europe next season , pretty much half the league.
6 clubs playing in the " champions league " alone , each automatically get £15.7m
Whatever gap there was is widening .

I posted in another thread earlier that it was mentioned on MOTD last night that the bottom three points tally was the lowest ever and the gap is definitely getting wider.

 

[Booker4]

The gap is bigger than ever and I just can't see it getting any smaller. West Ham look the most likely team to be dragged into a relegation scrap next season but they're an established top flight team with 55,000 plus fans every week so income wise they're miles ahead. The likes of Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham always will be the smallest up there but they're now established top flight teams.

I can only see Leeds making a fist of staying up next season. Burnley were heavily reliant on Josh Brownhill last season and it's far from certain he'll be staying. If only he was out of contract last summer!

 

[The Fox]

The gap is bigger than ever and I just can't see it getting any smaller. West Ham look the most likely team to be dragged into a relegation scrap next season but they're an established top flight team with 55,000 plus fans every week so income wise they're miles ahead. The likes of Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham always will be the smallest up there but they're now established top flight teams.

I can only see Leeds making a fist of staying up next season. Burnley were heavily reliant on Josh Brownhill last season and it's far from certain he'll be staying. If only he was out of contract last summer!

Good shout re west ham , think they look most likely but still unlikely to drop.
Even wolves will be boosted by £70m from the sale of cunha , Bournemouth will ship 1 or 2 and add £100m to the kitty whilst those in Europe will always attract better players . Spurs will be better as will man utd.
Simply put who are Leeds Burnley and Sunderland going to better than ??
Difficult to see

 

[Roygbiv]

Anyone going up is just hoping for another club in the league to fully implode. You currently need to be better than Spurs just to finish 4th bottom and they achieved 38 points.

People talk about Forest but they broke FFP and just survived the first season by the skin of their teeth and only got 32 points last season. You can't throw any more money at it than they have yet still they massively struggled and only managed to stay up because first Leicester imploded and then 2 of the 3 promoted clubs the year after didn't really bother trying to stay up. Us and Luton were only there for the money whereas Burnley spent but not enough to compete.

I hope all 3 come back down again purely because we still have people believing it's the clubs fault for playing the wrong way and not that the system is broke.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Anyone going up is just hoping for another club in the league to fully implode. You currently need to be better than Spurs just to finish 4th bottom and they achieved 38 points.

People talk about Forest but they broke FFP and just survived the first season by the skin of their teeth and only got 32 points last season. You can't throw any more money at it than they have yet still they massively struggled and only managed to stay up because first Leicester imploded and then 2 of the 3 promoted clubs the year after didn't really bother trying to stay up. Us and Luton were only there for the money whereas Burnley spent but not enough to compete.

I hope all 3 come back down again purely because we still have people believing it's the clubs fault for playing the wrong way and not that the system is broke.

Agree fully. The question for me is whether three years on the bounce where every promoted team has gone straight back down will be enough to get the PL to accept their model is broken and they need to fix it.
I suspect it won't as it's hard wired into their thinking that the big clubs are the goose that lays the golden egg for the PL - so introducing salary caps, limiting the number of subs or whatever to create a more level playing field is just not in their world view.
In short - imo the PL is no longer a fair sporting contest and that needs to be addressed if promotion is going to be worthwhile.

 

[Selly]

You currently need to be better than Spurs just to finish 4th bottom and they achieved 38 points

And even that's a false position for Spurs, if they had been in any sort h of danger they, and Man U, wouldn't have given up on the league 5 weeks ago.

 

[metalblade]

Not often I watch match of the day but I did watch the Sunday re run, they showed how the points total for the three relegated teams has been getting smaller each year, this seasons relegated teams has between them got the lowest points total ever. All agreed Leeds would need to spend mega bucks as would Burnley just to have a chance to compete. I think we can safely say Sunderland will do well to better the abysmal points total they got a few years back.

 

[1889]

To have any hope of staying up, realistically a team has to be absolutely head and shoulders above anything else in the Championship and be promoted by March.

Then of course they have to somehow retain all of the team, when the Premier League team bids inevitably come in for the star players. It’s almost an impossible task and the gap gets wider year on year, as the established Premier League teams get richer and richer.

 

[BerksBlade]

Good shout re west ham , think they look most likely but still unlikely to drop.
Even wolves will be boosted by £70m from the sale of cunha , Bournemouth will ship 1 or 2 and add £100m to the kitty whilst those in Europe will always attract better players . Spurs will be better as will man utd.
Simply put who are Leeds Burnley and Sunderland going to better than ??
Difficult to see

This was my worry had we got promotion. Both Leeds & Burnley beat us twice fairly comfortably. So where would our points have come from?
The gap is getting wider and I can see Derby's record going before too long.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Said the same in the ‘nerves’ thread before the final, but I genuinely don’t have any desire to see us back in the premier league for anything other than the money. You simply cannot compete with the sides already there unless you throw money that could potentially damage the future of the club at it - and even then you’re not guaranteed survival. Ipswich could well be in serious amounts of trouble financially if they cock next season up.

Leicester, Ipswich & Southampton never stood a chance this season. To survive, you had to be better than Tottenham… that’s fucking mental. The entire division is a mess but it won’t ever get fixed as it makes too much money.

 

[Corkblade]

The biggest single change that has had more influence on the gap widening is the 5 sub rule, the established club's just pack out there squad's and can change half their team during a game. I don't think it's a coincidence that the gap keeps getting wider in the last few years.

 

[Houston_Blade]

My main hope with Leeds is that they believe Bogle is a competent PL right back. If they do they’re fucked.

 

[bornablade]

I think Burnley need to build on their sound defence.

Our outstanding 2019/20 season saw us only concede 39 Premier league goals over the 38 games. This season Liverpool have conceded 41 and won the title. Arsenal with 35 goals conceded are the only team this season to better our 39.

To find a 20+ goal striker in the Premier league is like gold dust. A team needs to play cute and look for chances to score from set pieces. Work hard all week with a quality set piece coach and look for opportunities to create those set pieces in vulnerable areas for the opposition.

Even in the Championship we have to start building from the back and look for a back 6 with the same quality that Hendo, George, Bash, Egan, JOC and Enda gave us.

If we are successful next season then that defence gives us a chance the following year.

Our clean sheet run pre-Xmas should have continued and if we'd replaced Souttar then we could have been now discussing another scenario.

If Wilder is still in charge then building a strong defence is nothing new to him.

On the set piece issue I cannot think of many more wasted opportunities we had than the Robinson long throw. I can only recall one goal resulting from one of these set pieces. Did no-one at the club just question - this is just not working?

 

[Corkblade]

I think Burnley need to build on their sound defence.

Our outstanding 2019/20 season saw us only concede 39 Premier league goals over the 38 games. This season Liverpool have conceded 41 and won the title. Arsenal with 35 goals conceded are the only team this season to better our 39.

To find a 20+ goal striker in the Premier league is like gold dust. A team needs to play cute and look for chances to score from set pieces. Work hard all week with a quality set piece coach and look for opportunities to create those set pieces in vulnerable areas for the opposition.

Even in the Championship we have to start building from the back and look for a back 6 with the same quality that Hendo, George, Bash, Egan, JOC and Enda gave us.

If we are successful next season then that defence gives us a chance the following year.

Our clean sheet run pre-Xmas should have continued and if we'd replaced Souttar then we could have been now discussing another scenario.

If Wilder is still in charge then building a strong defence is nothing new to him.

On the set piece issue I cannot think of many more wasted opportunities we had than the Robinson long throw. I can only recall one goal resulting from one of these set pieces. Did no-one at the club just question - this is just not working?

This all day long, l actually think that Burnley have the best chance of survival because they'll make themselves hard to beat, that's why we were so successful in 19-20 season

 

[s20Blade]

Only way you are going to go up and stay up without breaking FFP rules is having a batch of amazing academy players that keep you up first season then selling them for mega bucks to re-invest by the book.