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Roygbiv said:
I think there is a definite chance we have a situation where there is a NFL style Super League and the rest is seen like college football in America. The Super League clubs will dominate and their fans will be from all over the world but the legacy fans will barely ever get the chance to go to games. The rest of us will carry on as we are with less money, more youth orientated and knowing any good player will end up in the Super League. In that scenario I'd rather support United than a Liverpool to be honest
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Get enough American owners and they will be pushing to reduce/eliminate the relegation spots.

The only reason the three promoted teams wouldn't vote for it is it would be unlikely to benefit them, as it would probably not kick in until the season after next.

And imagine the meltdown in the championship as teams attempt to go up that season - when people say it would destroy the pyramid, it would, but it would also likely result in half the Championship going under from overstretching themselves
 

Selly said:
Get enough American owners and they will be pushing to reduce/eliminate the relegation spots.

The only reason the three promoted teams wouldn't vote for it is it would be unlikely to benefit them, as it would probably not kick in until the season after next.

And imagine the meltdown in the championship as teams attempt to go up that season - when people say it would destroy the pyramid, it would, but it would also likely result in half the Championship going under from overstretching themselves
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The super league will be here within 5 years and the top tiers of English football will be realigned
 
The scary thing is that 2 of last years promoted teams were previously well established premiere league teams with good infrastructure in terms of academy, training facilities etc, yet were still miles of putting up a realistic challenge to stay up. I would expect both to be challenging top 2 next season in the championship. Ipswich could go either way but if they are sensible will not be far off.

Of the 3 going up I can only see Leeds potentially making a fist of it as they can hurt teams the way they play. However to counter that unless they spend serious on replacing the goalkeeper and most of the defence I can see a lot of high scoring losses.
 
WayneAllison said:
Those poor old promoted clubs are only getting 200 million pounds and becoming richer than the vast majority of most clubs in every other top 5 league in Europe
The problem isn't the gap it's mismanagement as seen recently by us under Hecky, Leicester and Southampton,the season just gone
Sign crap expect too go down recruit properly and have proper manager then you can expect a chance at becoming a top club lie Bournemouth/Fulham/Forest
The Woe is me is laughable considering promotion gives you a huge opportunity to transform your club look at forest
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Forest spent a shitload of money that 1st season - changing almost the entire team - and still only just survived. How many owners are willing to gamble with the future of their clubs to that extent? Ipswich have what I'd call a "proper" manager. They recruited reasonably well (or so they thought). But they were still nowhere near survival.
 
To give the three promoted clubs some hope I don't think Forest will perform as well next season as this.

European committments could be a problem and they may get dragged into a relegation battle.
 
If there's one thing Saturday laid bare it's that this team would have been as bad as last time in the Premier League.

Similar problems in game management, blowing the match late and losing control of a lead, running out of steam, key players not being fit enough for 90 minutes, injuries, and to a team we finished 14 points ahead of. Our record against Leeds, Burnley and Sunderland this season says a lot and Leeds and Burnley would have been our easiest games next season. We've been flat track bullies.

Can rest on the idea we'd strengthen in the summer but fundamentally this team was similar to the side that went up in 22/23. Lots of unconvincing performances along the way with victories won by the sheer brilliance of one or two of our top players in key moments. The end result next season would have played out as last time. If we want to go up and build and thrive we need to build a team that plays with an identity and a structure that controls games and can flex to them akin to the team of 18/19. No superstars then but a system that was golden that built the momentum that carried us to 9th in 19/20. The hit and hope up the pitch we were playing much of the second half on Saturday would never have happened with that side. It's on Wilder and Knill this summer to discover the new version of that because we cannot rely on simply having a handful of better players than 20-odd of the teams we play in the Championship. It ends in disaster either at Wembley or in the Prem the season after.
 
If we’re being completely honest, we wouldn’t have been anywhere near ready for the premier league. Leeds and Burnley will struggle and those two blew teams away all season. We did so well that first season back in the prem because the team had been together so long and knew exactly what they needed to do and where to be. Takes longer than a year to develop that. Plus Kyle walker and maguire will be out of contract in 2026😉
 
Balham said:
Burnley have already lost 1/3 of their successful keeper/central defence combination and the rumours are that the other two are going to agitate for moves. There's a significant chance that they'll do what we did in 2023 and sell their best players before the season starts.

EDIT: I see that Bellingham is trying to force a move away from Sunderland too. What's the point in promotion?
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If the gap continues to get wider this will be a regular occurrence
 
BerksBlade said:
Forest spent a shitload of money that 1st season - changing almost the entire team - and still only just survived. How many owners are willing to gamble with the future of their clubs to that extent?
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You do realise that they had 7386784 players on loan in that Championship season prior and needed to change the entire team regardless? And you do also realise that if you buy a player for, say, £10 million, he doesn't become instantly worthless if you get relegated straight away?
 
bornablade said:
To give the three promoted clubs some hope I don't think Forest will perform as well next season as this.

European committments could be a problem and they may get dragged into a relegation battle.
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I’ve been thinking this, too. There’s every chance they will lose some of their better players this summer.
 
One problem Burnley have is that four of our players last year were loans with obligation to buy - Flemming, Antony, Edwards, Humphries. That's £40m spent just to stand still.
 
Decent analysis here, and the historical data of 3 promoted all going back down has dramatically changed from a rare occurrence to how it is now.
 
Brentford are looking the team who maybe could give the promoted teams a chance, with losing their manager and Mbuemo. Though Wolves were awful for a large part of last season but still stayed comfortably.
 

Sunderland go up - immediately lose Watson and Bellingham.

Burnley go up - immediately lose Egan-Riley, are heavily tipped to lose Trafford to Newcastle and Bayern and others sniffing around Esteve.

It seems starting the season weaker than what you ended the promotion season may be a trend we started but others are destined to follow and not even this time down to financial pressures, just simply being a smaller fish.

Wolves shedding two already might make it interesting between them and Leeds but Burnley and Sunderland are following the Blades play book to a tee.
 
why don’t they say 1st year up you can’t go down, give teams time to build a squad capable of fighting season 2.

Tottenham and Man U relegated is why they won’t, but would add great jeopardy
 
If...the football regulator comes into force , one of thier proposals is to scrap parachute payments. In which case no one going up is going to risk the level of spend required and the gap will widen.

If anything PSR should be more generous to promoted clubs to allow them to catch up.
 
Frank the tank said:
Why do you think they give a fuck. ?
They would rather just get rid of relegation all together
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Double edged sword, closed shop would suit most clubs, but no good for the competition

If they want to keep the integrity and competitiveness, bearing in mind one appeal of the EPL is the us in 2018, Luton, Ipswich David v Goliath story, knowing the promoted teams have no chance isn’t a good playbook
 
Theyre just waiting 2-3 years till Wrexham go up and then they'll make it a closed shop with no relegation 😌
 
Rodley said:
Who knew the only way to bridge the gap was in fucking Bulgaria 🤣😩
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I know you are joking but I wonder if this is the only way...

The last time we went up and survived it was because we did something very different which took teams a while to get used to. by the time it was Christmas and we looked in a good place, teams worked it out and then we were able to hold on.

Teams have tried going up and battening down the hatches and grinding out wins, didn't work. Teams have tried sticking to their philosophy and playing "football", didn't work.

The amount of money that would need to be invested seems beyond the normal club (as yet, I haven't seen anything to see that our new owners are going to be splurging money left right and centre. They seem to be focussed on building an infrastructure for a sustainable (profitable) football team.

Maybe the only way is to build an unknown super team using AI. Keep them in the background, win promotion, sell the couple of players who have done well and then unleash blades 2.0 when you go up.

Teams won't know whats hit them... until Christmas by which time they will have.
 
dexter101 said:
I know you are joking but I wonder if this is the only way...

The last time we went up and survived it was because we did something very different which took teams a while to get used to. by the time it was Christmas and we looked in a good place, teams worked it out and then we were able to hold on.

Teams have tried going up and battening down the hatches and grinding out wins, didn't work. Teams have tried sticking to their philosophy and playing "football", didn't work.

The amount of money that would need to be invested seems beyond the normal club (as yet, I haven't seen anything to see that our new owners are going to be splurging money left right and centre. They seem to be focussed on building an infrastructure for a sustainable (profitable) football team.

Maybe the only way is to build an unknown super team using AI. Keep them in the background, win promotion, sell the couple of players who have done well and then unleash blades 2.0 when you go up.

Teams won't know whats hit them... until Christmas by which time they will have.
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I dont think teams ' worked us out ' I just thought wilder became less adventurous and started playing more direct and scrapping for points and it worked for a while but we became very predictable and easy to contain and have stayed that way ever since
 

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