Stefan Scougall

[oldblade]

Point taken and agreed, but to be fair I don't think we could have prevented this because of the sell on clause, and I don't think he'd have resigned for us without having one inserted. The club have deserved the overall lack of trust regarding transfers, but I don't think the McDonald one was bad on their part.

UTB

It seems this might not be the case. Apparently Arsenal triggered a clause in Suarez's contract by putting in a bid of £40 million (plus £1). Liverpool[ still declined to sell.

 

[oldblade]

I prefer Scougs to MCDonald - any day of the week
Far more exciting to watch and has that spark that can win you a game

I also like Scougal, but in fairness to McDonald he also had the ability to win matches.

 

[Rossb123]

I also like Scougal, but in fairness to McDonald he also had the ability to win matches.

Our season dramatically changed when he got injured in 11/12 season. He was just frustrating because sometimes he didn't look interested, but Scougs always looks up for it.

 

[sitwell]

It seems this might not be the case. Apparently Arsenal triggered a clause in Suarez's contract by putting in a bid of £40 million (plus £1). Liverpool[ still declined to sell.

the choice is then down to the player, suarez opted to stay ,macdonald chose wolves.

 

[puppet]

Point taken and agreed, but to be fair I don't think we could have prevented this because of the sell on clause, and I don't think he'd have resigned for us without having one inserted. The club have deserved the overall lack of trust regarding transfers, but I don't think the McDonald one was bad on their part.

UTB

He was our most skilful player by miles and wouldve been fantastic in this team

 

[boo radley]

Get our Prince to spirit him away at the end of the season in the wardrobe to Narnia. he will be gone for two minutes of his time but in ours it will be the start of 2014/15 season.

 

[boo radley]

Mc Donald. 3 assists 3 goals in 30 appearances for Wolves.
Scougall .At least 1 assist and 2 goals in 6? for us.
He shoots more and better than McD and gets in better positions and takes more responsibility all round than McD. He also challenges better in the air. How can that be? a more committed footballer who wants to improve his all round game, not just sitting on the fact he is good at one thing.

 

[itsinyerblood]

the choice is then down to the player, suarez opted to stay ,macdonald chose wolves.

That's about the sum of it sitters. Money is clearly a draw, but so is happiness. I wonder how much of an influence on Steven Gerrard's career his wife has been? Seem's she likes where they live, her family are near, the kids appear settled etc, so Stevie G's future was virtually decided for him. He turned down Chelsea who were offering a substantial increase in wages, so never dismiss those things that exist outside of a view that money is everything.

For the next few years we have Scoogs, a breath of fresh air if ever there was. Watching him, the comparisons with Messi, albeit jokey, are still misplaced. He strikes me as closer to Eden Hazard in the way he orchestrates and creates space and opportunities. Gifted way above this level, his energy levels combined to his all-round game are exceptional. Where his future lies depends on the club's intentions. If we continue to slog it out with Division 1 teams I doubt he'd want to hang around BDTBL, and who could blame him?

We did well to get this lad, so let's make the most of him and hope, in return, that his performances remain a pleasure to watch. UTB

 

[Kenilworth]

I also like Scougal, but in fairness to McDonald he also had the ability to win matches.

Maybe. But only when HE could be arsed!



By contrast Scougs is a real team player as well as a "get your bum off that fecking seat" kind of player.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Mc Donald. 3 assists 3 goals in 30 appearances for Wolves.
Scougall .At least 1 assist and 2 goals in 6? for us.

Good point boo, I know it's easy to view the past with a jaded eye, but give me Scoogs every time. I loved Kevin Mac when he decoded to play, but his overall contribution left much to be desired.

The young lad excites and lifts the crowd, he's already a star and he's probably still in the process of unpacking his bags, so what a player we have in this little marvel.

 

[SwissBlade]

If Scougall progresses at his current rate, has a good preseason and then hits the ground running next season then it will be hard to keep hold of him. It's ok saying that now we've got the Prince and his billions so we don't have to sell but I don't think that makes us bullet proof. I'm sure the club will already have a price they'd accept for him. The player himself may have ambitions. His agent may want his pay day. Lots of factors. Football, like it or not is about making money.

Personally I'm not too worried at the moment, it's early days for him but let's enjoy him whilst he's doing well for us.

The key for selling any player though is that the money you get for a player is enough to make a profit and to replace the player.

You never know, this time next year Scougall could be getting touted by Premier league teams, we could be running away with the top spot in league 1 and Diego could be waiting in the wings to replace Scougall when he gets his move to Leicester relegation bound Leicester.

 

[itsinyerblood]

If Scougall progresses at his current rate, has a good preseason and then hits the ground running next season then it will be hard to keep hold of him. It's ok saying that now we've got the Prince and his billions so we don't have to sell but I don't think that makes us bullet proof. I'm sure the club will already have a price they'd accept for him. The player himself may have ambitions. His agent may want his pay day. Lots of factors. Football, like it or not is about making money.

Personally I'm not too worried at the moment, it's early days for him but let's enjoy him whilst he's doing well for us.

The key for selling any player though is that the money you get for a player is enough to make a profit and to replace the player.

You never know, this time next year Scougall could be getting touted by Premier league teams, we could be running away with the top spot in league 1 and Diego could be waiting in the wings to replace Scougall when he gets his move to Leicester relegation bound Leicester.

Hi SwissBlade, no disagreement about any of that fella, everyone has a price and young Scoogs will already have upped his market value. As you say, that's the nature of football. Given the figure we've been told we'll have to pay for Scoogs, £450K I believe, when you look at how seamlessly he's adapted to this division he's been a marvel, nothing short of. He's lifted the fans, together with the Beard we're now a team with belief. In Cloughie with have a manager with tactical nous, and the future looks positive. The one-game-at-a-time mantra that Nigel has repeated has offered focus, which in turn has meant that we've seen real progress.

I've never seen Diego, so if he's anything close to what I've heard we've got more to look forward to. As for Scoogs, as you say, let's enjoy the lad, he's what makes coming through those turnstiles worth the money.

 

[alcoblade]

He was our most skilful player by miles and wouldve been fantastic in this team

I don't think you read my post. I think he was a good player too and don't understand your point.

UTB

 

[wizadry]

Hi SwissBlade, no disagreement about any of that fella, everyone has a price and young Scoogs will already have upped his market value. As you say, that's the nature of football. Given the figure we've been told we'll have to pay for Scoogs, £450K I believe, when you look at how seamlessly he's adapted to the division he's been a marvel, nothing short of. He's lifted the fans, together with the Beard we're now a team with belief. In Cloughie with have a manager with tactical nous, and the future looks positive. The one-game-at-a-time mantra that Nigel has repeated has offered focus, which in turn has meant that we've seen real progress.

I've never seen Diego, so if he's anything close to what I've heard we've got more to look forward to. As for Scoogs, as you say, let's enjoy the lad, he's what makes coming through those turnstiles worth the money.

I agree with both of ya but ive heard on the grapevine diego wont be here next year

 

[SwissBlade]

itsinyerblood i probably should be clearer that I'm not putting any expectation on Diego but he was just an example for the hypothetical scenario ( I don't think that you took that from my comments, but thought I should make that clear before others have a go at me for suggesting Diego is the future)

You're absolutely spot on though. Clough and the team in place are certainly building a team which allows certain players like Brayford and Scougall to thrive. So that's a positive.

Players are enjoying their football and even certain players playing out of position or bit parts are seemingly enjoying the role their playing.

All of that is good news for those that want to play for the club. Scougall, Coady, Brayford are successes so far. Could Brandy, Cuvelier, Miller and Diego also take their chances if/ when they come?

 

[sitwell]

Don't forget Harris ,he has fitted in at left back and looks the best we have had in years.

 

[itsinyerblood]

itsinyerblood i probably should be clearer that I'm not putting any expectation on Diego but he was just an example for the hypothetical scenario ( I don't think that you took that from my comments, but thought I should make that clear before others have a go at me for suggesting Diego is the future)

You're absolutely spot on though. Clough and the team in place are certainly building a team which allows certain players like Brayford and Scougall to thrive. So that's a positive.

Players are enjoying their football and even certain players playing out of position or bit parts are seemingly enjoying the role their playing.

All of that is good news for those that want to play for the club. Scougall, Coady, Brayford are successes so far. Could Brandy, Cuvelier, Miller and Diego also take their chances if/ when they come?

Again, all good questions mate.

I scour various football sites, and earlier I came across a short piece about Jose Baxter. One quote stood out, "I believe in our manager and I believe in the players". I know that players often play up to a camera or microphone, but this simple comment says so much about what currently exists within this squad, and it's all down to Nigel.

Yes, I understood what you meant about Diego. Lumbering anyone, let alone a youngster, with a weight of potential is silly. We've been fortunate over the years to see talented players at BDTBL - Tony Currie, Woody, Sabella, Colin Morris to name a few - Scoogs is one, Baxter, when he wants to deliver, is another, and as for Diego, well time will tell.

I suppose the cynic in me just hopes that what we've been sold isn't another pup. Perhaps that's unfair given the strides we've made since Clough was appointed, but we're a long suffering bunch, so excuse that part of me that gets behind the team while expecting some twat in a suit to pull the carpet from under our feet.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I agree with both of ya but ive heard on the grapevine diego wont be here next year

Which grapevine mate? I've got a couple on the wall close to where I live, and the fuckers never tell me anything.

Seriously, if Diego is destined to leave, let's hope that the money we receive will be sufficient to purchase two or three decent players.

 

[Grecian2000]

I scour various football sites, and earlier I came across a short piece about Jose Baxter. One quote stood out, "I believe in our manager and I believe in the players". I know that players often play up to a camera or microphone, but this simple comment says so much about what currently exists within this squad, and it's all down to Nigel.

I think the incident with Baxter and Collins at the end of the Bristol City game summed it up.

After City had their only clear chance of the match Collins seemed to take umbrage at Baxters part in it (I thought he'd been fouled to be honest) and bollocked him big style (physically separated by Doyle and Harris I think). Five minutes later, straight after the FT whistle, Baxter sought Collins out first and they hugged and spoke for a few seconds. I think that summed up the spirit going on at the moment.

 

[wizadry]

Which grapevine mate? I've got a couple on the wall close to where I live, and the fuckers never tell me anything.

Seriously, if Diego is destined to leave, let's hope that the money we receive will be sufficient to purchase two or three decent players.

I will get back to ya in the next couple of days mate ill tell ya more

 

[itsinyerblood]

I think the incident with Baxter and Collins at the end of the Bristol City game summed it up.

After City had their only clear chance of the match Collins seemed to take umbrage at Baters part in it (I thought he'd been fouled to be honest) and bollocked him big style (physically separated by Doyle and Harris I think). Five minutes later, straight after the FT whistle, Baxter sought Collins out first and they hugged and spoke for a few seconds. I think that summed up the spirit going on at the moment.

You've a better memory than myself mate, so yes, that just about summarises the mood within the camp. I like Collins, never going to be a poster boy, never going to excite the crowd, but always wholehearted and has shown that he's capable of raising his own game on a consistent basis. Well done him for bollocking Jose, and well done Jose for being man enough to take it on the chin.

 

[true99blade]

Hello mate, I didn't say we are powerless, just that whoever puts these in a contract, or accepts them from a player's agent, needs to be very canny and not allow themselves to be rolled over. It didn't help us much with Kevin Mac though did it? Having said that I doubt he would have the industry Clough demands of his players. I think the key is the relationship that exists between manager and player. It may not be the be all and end all, but it's one of those unspoken facts that tell you so much about the way everyone feels about this club.

Yeah I know that wasn't what you were saying but there are people (e.g McCabe) who claim this. My point is that when these people say we have no control and are powerless to keeping a player due to a sell on clause I think its very much bullshit.
If a player is really that unhappy to not be sold then do not allow that player to play until he acknowledges the fact that he must pledge alliance to the club he is currently at.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Yeah I know that wasn't what you were saying but there are people (e.g McCabe) who claim this. My point is that when these people say we have no control and are powerless to keeping a player due to a sell on clause I think its very much bullshit.
If a player is really that unhappy to not be sold then do not allow that player to play until he acknowledges the fact that he must pledge alliance to the club he is currently at.

That's it mate, a happiness clause! Number of smiles per day, politeness levels, always suggesting we can win the next match....shouldn't be difficult for a legal bod to put together with legalese.

Know what you mean though, it's all about man-management. Look at Rodgers at L'pool. He's handled Suarez carefully, probably kept him longer than another manager might have been able to, he's taken a twat like Sterling in hand and got him to focus, and he seems to have found a club willing to give him time. Same goes for Cloughie, so far so good. Of course he'll have players knocking on his door asking awkward questions, or agents acting like pricks because their player has just scored two goals in forty appearances. The trick I think is to be brutally honest with a player, that way there's no way they can turn round and accuse a manager of being economical with the truth.

 

[Large Mendonca]

I agree with both of ya but ive heard on the grapevine diego wont be here next year

Not doubting you at all Wizardry but it seems odd - leaving us based on what ? did he get a couple of cameo appearances before his injury ?

.....unless he wants to play in Italy ?

 

[Pedro Verde]

ive heard it on the grapevine

Are you Marvin Gaye ??
Seroiusly though do you think somebody is going to take a punt on him without him making some first team appearances after his bad injury

 

[wizadry]

Not doubting you at all Wizardry but it seems odd - leaving us based on what ? did he get a couple of cameo appearances before his injury ?

.....unless he wants to play in Italy ?

Are you Marvin Gaye ??
Seroiusly though do you think somebody is going to take a punt on him without him making some first team appearances after his bad injury

Understand wat ure both sayin but watched him quite a few times and hes quality and been speakin to his agent and b4 u start about agents hes a very good bloke,hes not happy with the opportunities hes been gettin but after all u cant blame sir clough for that with the run were on.Hes talkin about all season with the opportunities tho
I love the marvin gaye

 

[oldblade]

That's about the sum of it sitters. Money is clearly a draw, but so is happiness. I wonder how much of an influence on Steven Gerrard's career his wife has been? Seem's she likes where they live, her family are near, the kids appear settled etc, so Stevie G's future was virtually decided for him. He turned down Chelsea who were offering a substantial increase in wages, so never dismiss those things that exist outside of a view that money is everything.

I think there comes a point where you are paid at such a high level that even an offer of a substantial increase makes little difference. If I'm on £100,000 a week will £200,000 a week really make any difference to my lifestyle? I will still be able to live my entire life in the lap of absolute luxury.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I think there comes a point where you are paid at such a high level that even an offer of a substantial increase makes little difference. If I'm on £100,000 a week will £200,000 a week really make any difference to my lifestyle? I will be able to live my entire life in the lap of luxury.

Agree with that oldblade, and depending on what you require, life can be fulfilling on a lot less than the figures you've quoted.

I'm at a point in life where as long as the essential overheads are paid, a few other, low cost wants (I know the difference between wants and needs) are taken care of, I'm happy to live life in the knowledge that I have everything I need. I think emotional fragility contributes towards a state of desperation, and with that anxiety becomes the decision maker. When that happens watch out!

 

[Silent Blade]

Understand wat ure both sayin but watched him quite a few times and hes quality and been speakin to his agent and b4 u start about agents hes a very good bloke,hes not happy with the opportunities hes been gettin but after all u cant blame sir clough for that with the run were on.Hes talkin about all season with the opportunities tho
I love the marvin gaye

One of the things I detest about football is football agents. A lot of them do give terrible advice to the players they are representing

 

[Balham]

Understand wat ure both sayin but watched him quite a few times and hes quality and been speakin to his agent and b4 u start about agents hes a very good bloke,hes not happy with the opportunities hes been gettin but after all u cant blame sir clough for that with the run were on.Hes talkin about all season with the opportunities tho
I love the marvin gaye

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't De Girolamo miss the first half of the season through injury? Given that he didn't start training until December and the severity of his injury, he probably wouldn't be back up to match speed until around now anyway. Not entirely sure what opportunities that means? The only games which might have been suitable - where we've been winning at a canter with 20 to go - have been Shrewsbury and Bristol C.

If Murphy misses out tonight I would have thought De Girolamo will make the bench and maybe even get on if we're winning. Clough's record at Derby would suggest that he will play anyone he thinks is good enough and I would have thought De Girolamo fits into that.