Gillingham

[Jon Bon]

Stranger in the street is entirely different. But regardless, I reckon it'd still give you pause for thought that someone thinks you're fat. It would ever so slightly damage your natural manly confident nature I have no doubt SC.

Go for it Houso. Go on son. There's so much to see, so much to discover. It's so much more...er, like REAL than a computer screen.

 

[oldblade]

If someone called you names in your job (and they probably do) what would you think of them? Childish? Arsehole? Fuckwit? Or ignore it and drive on. I can imagine he has to put up with far worse on the field of play than anything said here.

So when someone yells "Spaz" at the top of his voice at Michael Tonge from the kop, that's okay because he has to put up with worse than that on the field of play?

Personally, I don't think it's okay, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Eskimo]

'Now we shall all turn to page 162,4 - 'Thou shallst not have a bit of fun by taking the young messiah's name in vain', which will be read out aloud by that hairdresser's car driving puff, Swiss Blade.'

I just wanted to say Jonny Bonny that Psalm 42, chapter 4 actually says

These things I remember
as I pour out my soul:
how I used to go to the house of God
under the protection of the Mighty One[d]
with shouts of joyand praise
among the festive throng.

Who is the Mighty One?

 

[Bladesway]

If a number of my clients kept saying I was rubbish at what I do, it would effect my confidence yes. It would have effected it far more when I was Long's age.

Thing is, it either has no effect or a negative effect, so why do it?

But if that is because you are shit at what you do (hypothetical, nothing fact based) or in the case of Long, having a bad spell it puts you in one of two camps. Either "I'm going to prove them all wrong" or "oh no nasty people". If its the latter he was never going to make it in any case.

I get the point Darren but human nature dictates that life is different. Now if it were racist or genuinely nasty you are onto something totally different.

 

[JJ Sefton]

When I was a kid I had a mate with a big cock so we called him Linford after the impressively endowed British Olympian. This kid got upset about it. Go figure.

 

[Bladesway]

So when someone yells "Spaz" at the top of his voice at Michael Tonge from the kop, that's okay because he has to put up with worse than that on the field of play?

Personally, I don't think it's okay, but whatever floats your boat.

Difference between calamity and your turn of phrase is huge.

 

[Bladesway]

When I was a kid I had a mate with a big cock so we called him Linford after the impressively endowed British Olympian. This kid got upset about it. Go figure.

She was a girl?

 

[Houso]

But if that is because you are shit at what you do (hypothetical, nothing fact based) or in the case of Long, having a bad spell it puts you in one of two camps. Either "I'm going to prove them all wrong" or "oh no nasty people". If its the latter he was never going to make it in any case.

I get the point Darren but human nature dictates that life is different. Now if it were racist or genuinely nasty you are onto something totally different.

That's a very simplistic take on it though.

Are you really saying that there's no ground in the middle of the two camps for an individual who will go on to be successful despite lacking confidence and having it further damaged by abuse?

As it stands, I have no definite clue on young George's self assurance, but surely it's best to err on the side of caution? Nevermind not resort to childish unfunny nicknames for our own sodding players?

 

[Jon Bon]

When I was a kid I had a mate with a big cock so we called him Linford after the impressively endowed British Olympian. This kid got upset about it. Go figure.

Maybe he was a white supremacist at heart...?

 

[oldblade]

Your either good enough or you are not. a few naughty names really won't effect that. If someone is scared they are going to get pelters if they come for a cross they really ought to take up another job. If being called calamity brings your world down around you I would suggest you go seek professional help.

I think you are moving into a slightly different discussion now - whether or not someone should be able to cope with a bit of abuse and still do their job on the pitch rather than whether or not it's a bit childish to call someone by an abusive nickname.

 

[JJ Sefton]

By contrast, a mate of mines missus once told us that her pet name for his manhood was 'Tiny Titus'. Given that she also had a name for mine which was 'Commander Bond', you can see why he got upset.

 

[oldblade]

Difference between calamity and your turn of phrase is huge.

I Don't recall making any reference whatsoever to the term calamity in any of my posts..

 

[Bladesway]

That's a very simplistic take on it though.

Are you really saying that there's no ground in the middle of the two camps for an individual who will go on to be successful despite lacking confidence and having it further damaged by abuse?

As it stands, I have no definite clue on young George's self assurance, but surely it's best to err on the side of caution? Nevermind not resort to childish unfunny nicknames for our own sodding players?

It's not one I subscribe to myself Houso and technically you aren't wrong but when our fans are shouting all manner of abuse unchecked across the stands to opposition fans, players, referees and so on it shouldn't come as a shock that this happens. Georges getting off lightly compared to the shit Chris Porter has to take. Some of that is seriously over the top.

Taking what you say, we shouldn't call the referee a wanker because it will harm his game and he won't give us any decisions. Do you see that stopping any time soon?

 

[Darren]

But if that is because you are shit at what you do (hypothetical, nothing fact based) or in the case of Long, having a bad spell it puts you in one of two camps. Either "I'm going to prove them all wrong" or "oh no nasty people". If its the latter he was never going to make it in any case.

I get the point Darren but human nature dictates that life is different. Now if it were racist or genuinely nasty you are onto something totally different.

So you reckon if Long is going through a bad spell, it would be good management for Clough to always refer to him as "Calamity" and tell him he was shit as that would make Long determined to prove Clough wrong?

 

[Darren]

Nail/head.

I challenge anyone on here who hasn't subscribed in their adult life to using a nickname - warranted or not - against someone in the public eye.

And for this 'shall I go up for a cross - mebbe I'll get slagged off by the kop' ... have you actually listened to yourselves there?

Let's put it this way. If sensitive, young George Long catches a few crosses, then he doesn't get slagged off by anyone. If he can't square his pretty bloody gifted lifestyle, sponsorships, pool cars, fat paycheck, training for three hours five days a week, physios and dieticians, and ninety minutes of a weekend in front of a big crowd against looking into his performance and saying to himself (as I don't doubt Hodgy, Jim Brown, Alan Kelly and Simon Tracey did before him) and say, "I don't blame them for slagging me off there. That was shit goalkeeping" and self-improve as well as have the crowd sing "GeorgeLong! GeorgeLong!" when he does well, then maybe he's not cut out for this business. Are you saying he gets wonderful comments when he's between the posts down at the Bramall Lane end? I fear not.

Naïve?

pommpey

I accept that challenge.

 

[Jon Bon]

I think this is getting blown out of all proportion here. Simply referring to a player by a jokey nickname on an internet message board is not the same as screaming it, or worse, at said player from the stands or in the street. Bit of perspective needed but carry on...

 

[Jon Bon]

So you reckon if Long is going through a bad spell, it would be good management for Clough to always refer to him as "Calamity" and tell him he was shit as that would make Long determined to prove Clough wrong?

Again, please see my above post. I am not Clough, I am an anonymous poster on an internet message board that George Long probably never reads. Stop it with this fantasy already.

 

[Bladesway]

So you reckon if Long is going through a bad spell, it would be good management for Clough to always refer to him as "Calamity" and tell him he was shit as that would make Long determined to prove Clough wrong?

I don't remember anyone saying he was shit. If you have played team sport you are used to it. I can remember several instances of being given abuse and generally I did my best to ram it down their throats. As a competitive sports person no matter what the level that's usually in your DNA to go prove people wrong.

If I were his manager I would perhaps (and depending on his personality) show him I believed in him and tell him to go prove people wrong. Its what various managers have done since time began. His Manager has probably been told he doesn't know what he is doing before as well.

 

[oldblade]

That's a very simplistic take on it though.

Are you really saying that there's no ground in the middle of the two camps for an individual who will go on to be successful despite lacking confidence and having it further damaged by abuse?

As it stands, I have no definite clue on young George's self assurance, but surely it's best to err on the side of caution? Nevermind not resort to childish unfunny nicknames for our own sodding players?

There is a certain amount of wanting it all ways from some people.

We want our players to run through brick walls for the club and to show undying loyalty to us. We want them to show respect for our supporters, put their bodies on the line for the cause and to at least give the impression that they actually care about the club. But we also want them to just accept abuse and get on with it.

And when a player decides to react against abusive supporters, like Eric Cantona did all those years ago (albeit against supporters of the opposing team) the whole world and it's dog is down on him like a ton of bricks.

.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I have to say I was impressed by United's visit to my neck of the woods. The second half was a great example of how to hang on to a 1-0 lead. We never looked under any real pressure and from the 46th to the 94th minute never panicked. We looked a much better team than mid table Gillingham

The team has a solid look about them now and I think the introduction of Howard has a lot to do with it. He is calm and solid in goal and one goal conceded in 4 games tells its own story.

If we keep playing like that we will be comfortably mid table in a month or so.

Still on target for the playoffs then.

 

[Darren]

I don't remember anyone saying he was shit. If you have played team sport you are used to it. I can remember several instances of being given abuse and generally I did my best to ram it down their throats. As a competitive sports person no matter what the level that's usually in your DNA to go prove people wrong.

If I were his manager I would perhaps (and depending on his personality) show him I believed in him and tell him to go prove people wrong. Its what various managers have done since time began. His Manager has probably been told he doesn't know what he is doing before as well.

But my point is that there is nothing positive about abusing someone when they are doing badly. If you thought it would have a positive effect on Long, you would be in favour of Clough abusing him.

If abuse has no positive effect, then it must either have no effect or a negative one. So what's the point?

 

[Northyorksblade]

Think it's our age OB

 

[Bladesway]

But my point is that there is nothing positive about abusing someone when they are doing badly. If you thought it would have a positive effect on Long, you would be in favour of Clough abusing him.

If abuse has no positive effect, then it must either have no effect or a negative one. So what's the point?

As pointless as arguing with you generally is I'll give it a shot. Read what I have put rather than just going on a crusade to be right. I am not at any point saying it is a good thing, it is right or that anything positive will come out of it, more that it is a fact of life and really isn't worth getting panties in a wad over. Have it out with the OP rather than me who just doesn't think its a big deal. There, I'm done, back to work........

 

[Darren]

As pointless as arguing with you generally is I'll give it a shot. Read what I have put rather than just going on a crusade to be right. I am not at any point saying it is a good thing, it is right or that anything positive will come out of it, more that it is a fact of life and really isn't worth getting panties in a wad over. Have it out with the OP rather than me who just doesn't think its a big deal. There, I'm done, back to work........

Come on. You responded to my point. If you don't want a debate about it, don't respond. Don't go all flouncey because I debate back.

People can choose whether or not to throw abuse at players. I think it's childish/pointless/counter productive to do so and I see no reason why I shouldn't say that.

 

[Bladesway]

Come on. You responded to my point. If you don't want a debate about it, don't respond. Don't go all flouncey because I debate back.

People can choose whether or not to throw abuse at players. I think it's childish/pointless/counter productive to do so and I see no reason why I shouldn't say that.

I agree.

 

[Houso]

It's not one I subscribe to myself Houso and technically you aren't wrong but when our fans are shouting all manner of abuse unchecked across the stands to opposition fans, players, referees and so on it shouldn't come as a shock that this happens. Georges getting off lightly compared to the shit Chris Porter has to take. Some of that is seriously over the top.

Taking what you say, we shouldn't call the referee a wanker because it will harm his game and he won't give us any decisions. Do you see that stopping any time soon?

It's an interesting point on the referees as I think that sometimes if a player were to be a little more mature in his approach rather than screaming abuse at him, he'd be more likely to get the rub of the green with decisions.

 

[Jon Bon]

Come on. You responded to my point. If you don't want a debate about it, don't respond. Don't go all flouncey because I debate back.

People can choose whether or not to throw abuse at players. I think it's childish/pointless/counter productive to do so and I see no reason why I shouldn't say that.

Hmmm, well. Not that I expect you to but I'd like you to come back to me and explain exactly how referring to someone with a jokey and not particularly insulting nickname on an internet message board that this particular 'someone' will probably never read, can be classed as 'throwing abuse' at this person.

Don't go all flouncy on me now and I want you to show the workings out, not just the answer...

 

[Darren]

Hmmm, well. Not that I expect you to but I'd like you to come back to me and explain exactly how referring to someone with a jokey and not particularly insulting nickname on an internet message board that this particular 'someone' will probably never read, can be classed as 'throwing abuse' at this person.

Don't go all flouncy on me now and I want you to show the workings out, not just the answer...

I don't recall ever accusing you of "throwing abuse". Don't be such a sensitive wet pussy.

You made an off the cuff insulting comment about Long which then turned into a general discussion as to whether or not we should abuse and insult players generally.

It's not all about you, you know

 

[Jon Bon]

I don't recall ever accusing you of "throwing abuse". Don't be such a sensitive wet pussy.

You made an off the cuff insulting comment about Long which then turned into a general discussion as to whether or not we should abuse and insult players generally.

It's not all about you, you know

'Sensitive wet pussy' - that's abuse. Reported.

Hmmm, 'Calamity' = Insulting. You really think so...? Really???

 

[Darren]

'Sensitive wet pussy' - that's abuse. Reported.

Hmmm, 'Calamity' = Insulting. You really think so...? Really???

Irony not your strong point?