'It's an absolute disgrace'

[Champagneblade]

Quite clever from Wilder.

The players know they didn’t do enough.

But he’s taken all the pressure off them, given them a short term “let’s show them” so they go out with a point to prove against Millwall. Also given the fans a bit of a shot in the arm to get behind them.

His reaction is better than Farke throwing Meslier under the bus then reversing over him a day later. I.e. he’s not been in the best form, followed by saying he should have dropped him sooner.

If you’re a player you’d probably be a fan of what Chris did there.

 

[DI36O]

'I paid my money I can do warra want'
Have you considered saving your money and not being a massive drain on the mood around the place?

 

[LurkerBlade]

So the arguments here seem to be "you're only as good as the game we've just seen" vs "The whole season and circumstances should be taken into account" ?
Abuse is either measured over the season or can be vented whenever a person feels it hasn't been good enough right then?

 

[Stevo71]

I was there and didn't see anyone have a go at Chris or the players and the majority of the travelling support stayed behind and applauded them.

The only agro I saw was Blades fans losing tempers with other Blades fans. Not idea what it was all about.

Drink & sniff

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Drink & sniff

 

[Carlton Blade]

I would regard myself as a football customer when I watch any game on TV that doesn't include United (and to a lesser extent Harrogate Town) and it doesn't really matter how I react in my own home.

In general terms as a customer it is possible to be critical without being abusive - and this is where supporters who act primarily as customers go wrong.

It seems to me the team needs support (and a boost) when we go a goal down but this is when least support is forthcoming and usually greeted by silence and anger. There's a lot of truth in 'you only sing when you're winning'.

I'm not sure somebody screaming abuse in the face of a player is a customer or a supporter. At that point, they're an idiot who've lost control of how to be an adult

 

[Maidenhead]

Again, I wholeheartedly disagree with people thinking they can grade somebody's support (apart from Nick Jansky obviously). You, nor anyone else has any say over how people choose to act once they are in a stadium. Watching United, or any team play is a choice, that costs money. It's not something people are given for free if they display loyalty.

What you're saying is that the team 'deserve' unreserved support and that's a completely valid opinion.

OK, so in what way does having a go at the players as individuals, or the team as a whole, help anybody apart from yourself and your need to let go of your frustration about something over which you have no control at all?

Negative energy is harmful, it's like a cancer that poisons cells here and cells there until the whole body can no longer perform.

Wilder is right to calling out.

It damages the team effort, it gets into their psychy, it puts more pressure on for the next game, it actually helps the opposition, it does nothing good for the united effort at all, and we can live without it.

If losing a game of football makes you that unhappy then you need to find a new hobby.

 

[Grey Blade]

I'm not sure somebody screaming abuse in the face of a player is a customer or a supporter. At that point, they're an idiot who've lost control of how to be an adult

Yes. They need to grow up and go on an anger management course

 

[Linz]

I haven't read the entire thread but I think Wilder has started projecting some of his own insecurities about how the team is playing onto the fans, both when we're good and bad. Ultimately, he's responsible for the showing of the team and while most will be happy - or relieved - with the majority of the results, it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that the "qualiteh" isn't quite there all the time. I'm not entirely being unfair to say that our league position flatters to deceive based on some of the overall 90 minutes we've seen.

He's been making all kinds of chippy asides to the fans around the dugouts about not showing enough appreciation, not supporting enough, not staying behind at full time to applaud etc. instead of dealing with his remit at the time of the eleven men on the pitch. And sometimes the fans are frustrated at what we're seeing because we can - should - be playing consistently better if we're serious about going up.

That lessens the impact when he makes - valid - comments about outright abuse in the position the club is in.

Now, Bury away in 2016 under Nigel Adkins....

 

[Sean Thornton]

I haven't read the entire thread but I think Wilder has started projecting some of his own insecurities about how the team is playing onto the fans, both when we're good and bad. Ultimately, he's responsible for the showing of the team and while most will be happy - or relieved - with the majority of the results, it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that the "qualiteh" isn't quite there all the time. I'm not entirely being unfair to say that our league position flatters to deceive based on some of the overall 90 minutes we've seen.

He's been making all kinds of chippy asides to the fans around the dugouts about not showing enough appreciation, not supporting enough, not staying behind at full time to applaud etc. instead of dealing with his remit at the time of the eleven men on the pitch. And sometimes the fans are frustrated at what we're seeing because we can - should - be playing consistently better if we're serious about going up.

That lessens the impact when he makes - valid - comments about outright abuse in the position the club is in.

Now, Bury away in 2016 under Nigel Adkins....

“Now, Bury away in 2016 under Nigel Adkins....”


Why oh why would you bring that up? : (

 

[Aston max]

100% we were crap against Oxford, but still sit 2nd, some real bedwetters in our fan base these days

 

[Linz]

“Now, Bury away in 2016 under Nigel Adkins....”


Why oh why would you bring that up? : (

I still have nightmares of sitting in a dark, decrepit stand watching a parade of broken men before me...

 

[Northernsoulblade]

Fans paid hard earned money to go to Oxford and if wilder thinks they don’t deserve the right to slag the players off for that performance well he can Fcuk right off

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I'm not sure somebody screaming abuse in the face of a player is a customer or a supporter. At that point, they're an idiot who've lost control of how to be an adult

Hmmmm

Remember this:

“must have missed the bit where people have to follow a strict form of etiquette post game. Pay your ticket money, say mwhat you like (within the boundaries of the law) Treat "punters" like twats, don't be surprised if you eventually lose their loyalty”

&/or:

“He can say whatever he wants, as can the
supporters”

&/or:

“I'm also yet to see where the calling out of paying customers voicing their opinions has led to a more positive work atmosphere. If fans are overstepping their legal boundaries, report them.

'Punters' have been told to stop complaining, sing more, stop pretending they know anything about football etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but, in my opinion, the manager woukd be better placed concentrating on his own performance and not rating the paying customers every time things don't go according to plan”

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[Sean Thornton]

I still have nightmares of sitting in a dark, decrepit stand watching a parade of broken men before me...

I’ve never seen a Blades following turn on a team like that.

 

[Carlton Blade]

OK, so in what way does having a go at the players as individuals, or the team as a whole, help anybody apart from yourself and your need to let go of your frustration about something over which you have no control at all?

Negative energy is harmful, it's like a cancer that poisons cells here and cells there until the whole body can no longer perform.

Wilder is right to calling out.

It damages the team effort, it gets into their psychy, it puts more pressure on for the next game, it actually helps the opposition, it does nothing good for the united effort at all, and we can live without it.

If losing a game of football makes you that unhappy then you need to find a new hobby.

It's still each person's choice on how they react. I've never said I agree with that reaction, I agree that it's unlikely to help the team perform better. It also makes you look ridiculous to be a grown human screaming in the face of someone who has no idea who you are.

Wilder has called the supporters out a lot over the years. On this specific occasion, where players have been personally abused then yes, those who did that are fair game (and open to banning if they crossed the line). But on a lot of other occasions, it's bruised ego.

 

[Johnyblade1]

Reading some of the posts here just makes me cringe... Probably from 90% of people that didn’t go to oxford and spent a fortune, that didn’t waste a Full Saturday that I will never get back. You naughty boys shouldn’t shout this and shouldn’t shout that at our overpaid little princess or more to the point princesses. Let’s face it, this was coming and it could come again tonight. However we are pushing for promotion is just a mystery, luckiest season I’ve ever known and I’ve known a few. This team will never survive if promoted, they are awful both in the way they set up and to watch. Like everyone else, if I wanna vent my anger at the pathetic efforts like Saturday, then I will... The fire stick crew on here will always have there nonsense objectives, perhaps spending some money and wasting a full day watching our heroes might just change their minds......

As always

Up the Blades

 

[Carlton Blade]

Hmmmm

Remember this:

“must have missed the bit where people have to follow a strict form of etiquette post game. Pay your ticket money, say mwhat you like (within the boundaries of the law) Treat "punters" like twats, don't be surprised if you eventually lose their loyalty”

&/or:

“He can say whatever he wants, as can the
supporters”

&/or:

“I'm also yet to see where the calling out of paying customers voicing their opinions has led to a more positive work atmosphere. If fans are overstepping their legal boundaries, report them.

'Punters' have been told to stop complaining, sing more, stop pretending they know anything about football etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but, in my opinion, the manager woukd be better placed concentrating on his own performance and not rating the paying customers every time things don't go according to plan”

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That's fair. I've then distinguished between screaming in players faces and personal abuse deserving a ban, and Wilder being far too sensitive to criticism from fans. Especially when he receives so much adulation.

It's almost like a conversation develops throughout a thread and posting responses without context is a bit of point scoring for the sake of it

 

[Linz]

I’ve never seen a Blades following turn on a team like that.

There were indications it was coming earlier on in the season. We played and lost at Port Vale in October and that got a bit tasty in isolation. Bury was just abject though. Tuesday night, fucking freezing and utter dogshit.

I think the atmosphere at Rochdale away was toxic too - I'm sure Woolford was subbed after half an hour to stop him chinning someone in the crowd.

 

[Revolution]

OK, so in what way does having a go at the players as individuals, or the team as a whole, help anybody apart from yourself and your need to let go of your frustration about something over which you have no control at all?

Not this again.

Luton in the Cup in 1992. Glyn Hodges phoning it in. We let him have it and told him to get off his arse. Annoyed and motivated, he scores a brilliant goal 5 minutes later and hurls abuse back at us.

See, booing and abuse works!

On a more serious note, if (God forbid) we get another non performance in the playoffs the team are going to hear about it.

 

[Deaneandagana]

I haven't read the entire thread but I think Wilder has started projecting some of his own insecurities about how the team is playing onto the fans, both when we're good and bad. Ultimately, he's responsible for the showing of the team and while most will be happy - or relieved - with the majority of the results, it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that the "qualiteh" isn't quite there all the time. I'm not entirely being unfair to say that our league position flatters to deceive based on some of the overall 90 minutes we've seen.

He's been making all kinds of chippy asides to the fans around the dugouts about not showing enough appreciation, not supporting enough, not staying behind at full time to applaud etc. instead of dealing with his remit at the time of the eleven men on the pitch. And sometimes the fans are frustrated at what we're seeing because we can - should - be playing consistently better if we're serious about going up.

That lessens the impact when he makes - valid - comments about outright abuse in the position the club is in.

Now, Bury away in 2016 under Nigel Adkins....

Also build into the equation the expectation levels which the new owners have undoubtedly exhibited - suspect they are very demanding & expect to be playing PL football next season.

Having previously worked for a US P.E. backed business their pursuit of instant success is relentless.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

That's fair. I've then distinguished between screaming in players faces and personal abuse deserving a ban, and Wilder being far too sensitive to criticism from fans. Especially when he receives so much adulation.

It's almost like a conversation develops throughout a thread and posting responses without context is a bit of point scoring for the sake of it

Aye
Fair play for having the capacity / willingness to engage with / progress the “ conversation”

Isn’t the entire ‘raison d’etre’ iof social media predicated upon “point scoring for the sake of it”
(Even if you are being a tad disingenuous with your (point scoring) reference to lack of context?!?!?

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

“Now, Bury away in 2016 under Nigel Adkins....”


Why oh why would you bring that up? : (

Aye
Although on that occasion the “useless idle cunts” deserved all the pelters (.& more) hurled their way.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Aye
Fair play for having the capacity / willingness to engage with / progress the “ conversation”

Isn’t the entire ‘raison d’etre’ iof social media predicated upon “point scoring for the sake of it”
(Even if you are being a tad disingenuous with your (point scoring) reference to lack of context?!?!?

I do have a tendency to have multiple conversations going at once!

 

[Birdwell Blade]

CW on fans' criticism of the players on Saturday. I wasn't there. Fair or OTT from CW?

I find social media criticism doesn't always transfer to real life in the stands on match day. One thing for sure is a rift between players and fans is the last thing we need at a critical point in the season.

I haven't read this entire thread but saw what he is referring to. As we were stood clapping them off, a couple of lads near one of the exit were hurling abuse at the players. At first Peck was reacting to it, then Hamer and one or two others came over, looking unhappy. Hamer in particular was arguing back, until Brewster came over and pulled him away.

 

[AWetFlannel]

That's fair. I just think he comes across as a bit patronising when he has a go at the fans

So you've read the reactions on this forum and you don't think these people deserve patronising?

 

[metalblade]

Deflection and blame someone else tactic, there's another group of people who specialise in this, they're called narcissists

Oh I thought it was leftie Labour voters

 

[Carlton Blade]

So you've read the reactions on this forum and you don't think these people deserve patronising?

My whole argument is "people are daft. Leave them to it"

 

[Netsix_and_chill]

I still have nightmares of sitting in a dark, decrepit stand watching a parade of broken men before me...

Sounds like Bonnie Blue's latest escapade

 

[AWetFlannel]

My whole argument is "people are daft. Leave them to it"

There is daft, then there is screaming at our promotion winning club captain, calling him a cunt so he can hear it.

So many posts in this thread playing that down as merely daft or emotional, fuck knows how these people act towards their families but god help them. Imagine outing yourself as a domestic abuser every time your team loses.