Worst premier league team

[Wards]

Surprisingly it wasn’t the 0-8 when I lost all faith…It was the Burnley 5-0 what did it for me.

Same here. We walked out shortly after half time once Burnley scored again as you just knew the players had largely given up and thrown the towel in. Don't think I really liked that iteration of the side again until this season (when most of them had left, the shithouses). I remember thinking that McBurnie got himself sent off because he didn't really want to be out there - that or all the discipline had left them. Either way, a truly grim afternoon.

 

[metalblade]

So what's the conclusion of this thread? Is it there is no point being promoted because we will go down anyway after spending a shit load on new players who we can no longer afford in the championship. Which means we buy a new team sell that team then buy a new team to get promoted again to keep the cycle going, it all seems rather pointless to me. The only trophy we are ever likely to win is the Championship winners trophy.

 

[Snowflake]

So what's the conclusion of this thread? Is it there is no point being promoted because we will go down anyway after spending a shit load on new players who we can no longer afford in the championship. Which means we buy a new team sell that team then buy a new team to get promoted again to keep the cycle going, it all seems rather pointless to me. The only trophy we are ever likely to win is the Championship winners trophy.

Someone has to take Man City’s place when they are relegated !!

 

[gordoncharles]

So what's the conclusion of this thread? Is it there is no point being promoted because we will go down anyway after spending a shit load on new players who we can no longer afford in the championship. Which means we buy a new team sell that team then buy a new team to get promoted again to keep the cycle going, it all seems rather pointless to me. The only trophy we are ever likely to win is the Championship winners trophy.

Kind of, yes.

For example, I'd say of our current squad. excluding those on loan, we have - at best - 12 who could be in a PL squad, but most of those probably aren't really good enough to make it into a starting XI.

So we'd need at least a dozen close-season signings, some of which don't need to cost a fee, but they'd have to be of the required quality which means signing from other clubs in Europe.

Until we have a DoF with a team that really understands where the value is then we have little chance of survival. We can only hope to at least be competitive and try building cleverly as I assume there isn't going to be £150m to throw around in the summer, plus the wages that would be needed to persuade enough players with a high enough profile already.

The alternative is to stay in the Championship long enough to run out of money or be restricted by FFP regulations (whichever is the sooner) and go the way of Stoke or Swansea, who probably thought themselves established PL clubs not so very long ago.

Not a pretty picture. So I hope for promotion and then I may speak to Trailfinders about whether there are any 6-month journeys I can take where I can't get TV or internet access.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Kind of, yes.

For example, I'd say of our current squad. excluding those on loan, we have - at best - 12 who could be in a PL squad, but most of those probably aren't really good enough to make it into a starting XI.

So we'd need at least a dozen close-season signings, some of which don't need to cost a fee, but they'd have to be of the required quality which means signing from other clubs in Europe.

Until we have a DoF with a team that really understands where the value is then we have little chance of survival. We can only hope to at least be competitive and try building cleverly as I assume there isn't going to be £150m to throw around in the summer, plus the wages that would be needed to persuade enough players with a high enough profile already.

The alternative is to stay in the Championship long enough to run out of money or be restricted by FFP regulations (whichever is the sooner) and go the way of Stoke or Swansea, who probably thought themselves established PL clubs not so very long ago.

Not a pretty picture. So I hope for promotion and then I may speak to Trailfinders about whether there are any 6-month journeys I can take where I can't get TV or internet access.

A yo yo cycle doesn't have to be the car crash of last season
I'd rather go up and down (in a promotion or relegation battle) than be a Preston and sit at 15th in the Championship forever.
I'd probably prefer it to lower table PL with nothing to fight for tbh.

 

[NAnstonblade]

A yo yo cycle doesn't have to be the car crash of last season
I'd rather go up and down (in a promotion or relegation battle) than be a Preston and sit at 15th in the Championship forever.
I'd probably prefer it to lower table PL with nothing to fight for tbh.

If you compete in a league pyramid structure then the obvious aim has got to be to get to the top tier. However, the top tier has become increasingly untenable for clubs ‘coming up’ from the league below. If you/me put that question to the FA/Premier League, what do you reckon they would say? I ask not because I have an answer, but because I genuinely wonder how to get around this issue, in a way that is fair to all.

 

[KeyffSmyff]

A yo yo cycle doesn't have to be the car crash of last season
I'd rather go up and down (in a promotion or relegation battle) than be a Preston and sit at 15th in the Championship forever.
I'd probably prefer it to lower table PL with nothing to fight for tbh.

or a Crystal Palace.

 

[gordoncharles]

A yo yo cycle doesn't have to be the car crash of last season
I'd rather go up and down (in a promotion or relegation battle) than be a Preston and sit at 15th in the Championship forever.
I'd probably prefer it to lower table PL with nothing to fight for tbh.

We have to think that we can have longer stays than one or two years at some point. But we are very unlikely to be in a position to challenge the higher positions regardless.

That's why I can never understand why some of these clubs don't have more ambition to attempt to win a pot while they're on a relative high. Instead they field weakened sides just like everyone else.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

So what's the conclusion of this thread? Is it there is no point being promoted because we will go down anyway after spending a shit load on new players who we can no longer afford in the championship. Which means we buy a new team sell that team then buy a new team to get promoted again to keep the cycle going, it all seems rather pointless to me. The only trophy we are ever likely to win is the Championship winners trophy.

Playing Burnley in the Prem was the true measuring stick of how able we were to survive…We failed miserably.

 

[Need4speed]

This still makes me seethe. We could and probably should have been at least a goal to the good had we taken our chances and then the officials decided to intervene.
No excuses for the second half capitulation but you can imagine how the players must have felt given the way those goals were conceded.

I also think that the context of the game then had an affect, it must have been a tough half time

 

[Thrice]

The club will have to strike gold in the summer for a realistic chance to stay up next year in case of promotion. I'm talking MGW, Ndiaye level signing. A true difference maker. Nowadays every Premier League team has at least one of those. Without that type of player you'd need a manager with the ability to outcoach any manager in the league. Someone who makes his team better than the sum of its parts. Is Wilder that manager anymore? I doubt it, tbh.

 

[jono_t2000]

The club will have to strike gold in the summer for a realistic chance to stay up next year in case of promotion. I'm talking MGW, Ndiaye level signing. A true difference maker. Nowadays every Premier League team has at least one of those. Without that type of player you'd need a manager with the ability to outcoach any manager in the league. Someone who makes his team better than the sum of its parts. Is Wilder that manager anymore? I doubt it, tbh.

Defence is the only thing vital when scrapping to stay in the division.

As mentioned in 'Anel' thread, I'm happy to stick with our current striker force if Campbell, Moore, Cannon if that means we can focus exclusively upgrading to a top tier defence.

 

[Selly]

The three goals scored by Newcastle in the first half against us at home would all have been disallowed if we had scored them.

1st one for the handball
2nd for (I assume) a block on the defender
3rd one?

 

[Tony Currie]

The club will have to strike gold in the summer for a realistic chance to stay up next year in case of promotion. I'm talking MGW, Ndiaye level signing. A true difference maker. Nowadays every Premier League team has at least one of those. Without that type of player you'd need a manager with the ability to outcoach any manager in the league. Someone who makes his team better than the sum of its parts. Is Wilder that manager anymore? I doubt it, tbh.

Of course he is - he has proved it more than once!

 

[Balham]

1st one for the handball
2nd for (I assume) a block on the defender
3rd one?

Handball before the freekick IIRC.

 

[OLDBLADE43]

We have to think that we can have longer stays than one or two years at some point. But we are very unlikely to be in a position to challenge the higher positions regardless.

That's why I can never understand why some of these clubs don't have more ambition to attempt to win a pot while they're on a relative high. Instead they field weakened sides just like everyone else.

To answer you about being very unlikely Notts Forest appear to have done it so why not anybody else including United?

 

[OLDBLADE43]

Playing Burnley in the Prem was the true measuring stick of how able we were to survive…We failed miserably.

We failed in part due to the owner at the time!!!!!!

 

[Selly]

Handball before the freekick IIRC.

aha - not on the highlights i found

 

[Selly]

To answer you about being very unlikely Notts Forest appear to have done it so why not anybody else including United?

Forest did it at the risk of the entire future of the club. Had they not stayed up the first or second season then there was a good chance administrations would have beckoned.

Which is probably the most damning part - seemingly you can only get yourself secure in the top flight by putting the entire club at risk.

 

[gordoncharles]

To answer you about being very unlikely Notts Forest appear to have done it so why not anybody else including United?

You're aware of how much Forest have spent since they were promoted? £360,000,0000 since 2022 (net spend £215m). Which is more than Liverpool.

I'm assuming we don't have that sort of money.

 

[JJBlade]

You're aware of how much Forest have spent since they were promoted? £360,000,0000 since 2022 (net spend £215m). Which is more than Liverpool.

I'm assuming we don't have that sort of money.

Neither do Forest, but certain clubs are just cunts, followed by cunts. They'll be crying and wanting sympathy when they eventually get relegated and look like going bust.

And they will get relegated one day, because pretending to be a big club is not the same as being one..........remind you of anyone?
Liverpool for example can sign a player for £50 million and he could fail pitifully, but they'd still sell him for £50 million because he's a Liverpool player.
Forest are two or three bad signings off total financial meltdown.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

We failed in part due to the owner at the time!!!!!!

Whoever was in charge, we still got destroyed by a team we’d just got promoted with. So that’s when my unquestionable faith disappeared.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

…Yes, we were all deflated when N’Diaye and Berge were sold, but we had to believe we could just about stay up.

 

[NewyorkBlade]

Finding rough diamonds is the key for our club,that we can turn into Quality players, surely our scouting team has/must spread its net, into Europe /Africa and South America as that's where we'll be shopping plus some top players in certain markets should be within budget, Surely thats what Denis Smiths & Jamie Hoylands role / mandate is to search said markets

 

[Badger Blade]

We failed in part due to the owner at the time!!!!!!

This is the key point around why we struggled so hideously and hopefully would be more of a positive factor this time around if we manage to get there around the sort of recruits we get in.

The team we put out in the first game v Palace was one that would be fighting relegation from the Championship, never mind the Premier League

Prince had all but chucked the towel in and Hecky, his staff and the promoted squad had been chucked under the bus. It took way too long to sign anybody, we sold our two best players, the ones we did sign besides Hamer were utterly dire and the whole thing was just the most defeatist, mismanaged, kamikaze attempt at Premier League football that you'll ever see.

It'll still be tough if we go up but based on how shit we were the last two times, lessons must surely have been learned and we also know that it can't get much worse. The team we have currently is already miles better than the absolute garbage that played for us last season.

We need at the very least a more capable back up to Cooper than Davies and probably 5 or 6 more who if fit are guaranteed starters, probably 2 or 3 of which need to be at the back. Easily a £60m+ spend but that's the world we're in.

 

[Rusty view]

So what's the conclusion of this thread? Is it there is no point being promoted because we will go down anyway after spending a shit load on new players who we can no longer afford in the championship. Which means we buy a new team sell that team then buy a new team to get promoted again to keep the cycle going, it all seems rather pointless to me. The only trophy we are ever likely to win is the Championship winners trophy.

This completely mirrors my general view.

Appreciate there's a counter argument that with sustained investment we could stay and remain.

 

[Need4speed]

1st one for the handball
2nd for (I assume) a block on the defender
3rd one?

I am sure that one the ball had gone out beyond the goal line - I think that was the first

 

[Bobby b]

It makes you think when you look at our upcoming game against burnley that should we both go up, that game will be one the easiest games of the season next year

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

The only way to stay up now is to do what Forest did and blatantly cheat when it comes to FFP. Massively over spend in the first season then over spend the next summer, take a 10 point hit and hope that you still have enough to stay up. Cheats prosper.

 

[Grandmanasty]

1st one for the handball
2nd for (I assume) a block on the defender
3rd one?

Second was a blatant handball that deflected the ball towards the goal and Foderingham parried out and ref gave a corner instead of a free kick.
3rd good tackle by Robinson ref booked him and gave a free kick on edge of our box.
All three were shocking decisions.