Get rid of Wilder

[Zipwire]

I didn’t think Wilder coming back last season was the right move, and I also thought at the end of last season he needed to go.

I also thought this season we would be a mid table side at best with the lack of funds being a huge hamstring for us.

I’ve been delighted to have been proven wrong.

I think this season he needed to prove himself which he has done, he needed to rebuild his reputation that got tarnished at the end of his last spell and with poor spells at Boro and Watford which he has done.

He won’t get everything right all the time, everything signing he makes won’t be a huge success but he gets more right than he gets wrong.

I think a lot of the criticism and calls for his head after the odd defeat this season is more a case of empty vessels making the loudest noise.

If we go up he deserves another crack at the Premier League, if we stay down he also deserves another season too.

Sometimes you get a manager who is suited to a club and a club that suits a manager down to the ground and we’ve got that with Wilder, why change it?

 

[Blade56]

I didn’t think Wilder coming back last season was the right move, and I also thought at the end of last season he needed to go.

I also thought this season we would be a mid table side at best with the lack of funds being a huge hamstring for us.

I’ve been delighted to have been proven wrong.

I think this season he needed to prove himself which he has done, he needed to rebuild his reputation that got tarnished at the end of his last spell and with poor spells at Boro and Watford which he has done.

He won’t get everything right all the time, everything signing he makes won’t be a huge success but he gets more right than he gets wrong.

I think a lot of the criticism and calls for his head after the odd defeat this season is more a case of empty vessels making the loudest noise.

If we go up he deserves another crack at the Premier League, if we stay down he also deserves another season too.

Sometimes you get a manager who is suited to a club and a club that suits a manager down to the ground and we’ve got that with Wilder, why change it?

Agree it was wrong for him to return but can’t argue he’s done a great job get us to here.

However, he is not the man to keep us in Premiership. He thrives on being the poor victim that everyone’s against and we have to win games through blood and guts, it’s not pretty. We need a modern day manager, who that is I do not know, but I know it’s not Wilder

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Agree it was wrong for him to return but can’t argue he’s done a great job get us to here.

However, he is not the man to keep us in Premiership. He thrives on being the poor victim that everyone’s against and we have to win games through blood and guts, it’s not pretty. We need a modern day manager, who that is I do not know, but I know it’s not Wilder

I want to see him given a crack with owners with wealth. The 9th place was truly against all odds the two relegation seasons were actually more in line with our budget/wage bill

 

[Lane Ender]

Some strange comments there, not always a good idea to comment straight after a defeat when emotions take over your thoughts.

Don’t mind so much the title “get rid of Wilder”, theres possibly a bit of a Warnock syndrome where Wilder is great in the lower divisions but might not be able to adapt to PL football being given quality players but we haven’t got there yet. Also I’m really interested to see what Wilder learnt from his last spell in the PL just 2 years, he should know exactly what’s needed.

1: You think he bottled it when the truth is the opposite. Our secret defensive weapon which worked well at Luton was to go to a back 5 but he never used it. Think it was a case of pride before a fall and he thought he”d take on Leeds fighting fire with fire but we run out of steam.

2: If your best player is half fit only an idiot would start him. You’d have him on the bench as back up and hope he’s not needed.

3: Fair point about starting Holding but it’s a big game to give anyone their full debut in such an important position. If he’d have started with a back 5 then Holding would have played but I’m pleased we played open attacking football instead of being scared of Leeds.

4: Not sure how we can end up in admin when we are well inside FFP. All the player contacts are sensible to we’re financially safe.

5: The result was poor but we did play the best team, could have won in what was easily one of our best performances of the season. Plenty to feel optimistic about….however do agree Wilder seems to make little mistakes here and there but it’s easy to judge after the event.

For a change I was entertained we could have won that easily but we run out of steam

 

[Lane Ender]

I want to see him given a crack with owners with wealth. The 9th place was truly against all odds the two relegation seasons were actually more in line with our budget/wage bill

Yea but has been said on here many times before get a director of football in don’t let Wilder in charge of recruitment he’s a disaster

 

[bonobo]

I just don't know how people can feel so intensely about what happened when he left last time. It was pretty rubbish and a mood killer for me as a fan. But any animosity to Wilder after probably the most entertaining period in my six decades as a Blade is non existent. Managers are sacked or quit every 5 minutes these days. But, that is how a lot of people do feel for whatever reason. The over analyses and expectation of what a manager does or does not do. All this expectation is put on them.and nowadays a good chunk of fans will call for their heads after any small run of results or even when results are good what we might imagine I'm the future. I do like all this fan analyses and for me performances can be as important as results, but mainly it's just a way for me to enjoy the game, giving another dimension to be involved or interested in football or SUFC.
We are all different, but if it's not helping me to enjoy the game, I'd rather just switch off personally.

 

[Youngand70]

'Foreign mercenery'. It could be argued that walking out on the club with a £4million pay out was being mercenary.

That £4million could have been a significant amount when Liverpool were asking for their next installment.

Then stabbing Heckingbottom in the back to get the job back whilst placing his tongue up Prince's ring

 

[Striker]

Then stabbing Heckingbottom in the back to get the job back whilst placing his tongue up Prince's ring

If you've signed a contract then you are entitled to the amount the contract states for severance. I'm not sure how many on here would walk away from £4m.

'Foreign mercenery'. It could be argued that walking out on the club with a £4million pay out was being mercenary.

That £4million could have been a significant amount when Liverpool were asking for their next installment.

If you've signed a contract then you are entitled to the amount the contract states for severance. I'm not sure how many on here would walk away from £4m.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Yea but has been said on here many times before get a director of football in don’t let Wilder in charge of recruitment he’s a disaster

We haven't had any major disasters full stop. Brewster didn't work out. That's not a disaster. A major disaster is building a squad that can't compete to get back up if it falls out. We haven't had that.

 

[Barney Rubble]

We haven't had any major disasters full stop. Brewster didn't work out. That's not a disaster. A major disaster is building a squad that can't compete to get back up if it falls out. We haven't had that.

I think that's fair and I would also add that if we'd had a more competitive wage budget he could have signed Robinson, Cash and Watkins instead of Lowe, Bogle and Brewster., so it's not that Wilder can't identify a good player.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Is there any proof he got anywhere near 4 million pay off ?
Most managers who get their 3 year contract terminated negotiate a pay off and it's nowhere near the wages that would have been paid over the length of their contract.

 

[ATL Recs]

Agree it was wrong for him to return but can’t argue he’s done a great job get us to here.

However, he is not the man to keep us in Premiership. He thrives on being the poor victim that everyone’s against and we have to win games through blood and guts, it’s not pretty. We need a modern day manager, who that is I do not know, but I know it’s not Wilder

100%

 

[Sean Thornton]

Is there any proof he got anywhere near 4 million pay off ?
Most managers who get their 3 year contract terminated negotiate a pay off and it's nowhere near the wages that would have been paid over the length of their contract.

Highly unlikely it would be paid as one lump sum either.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

I want to see him given a crack with owners with wealth. The 9th place was truly against all odds the two relegation seasons were actually more in line with our budget/wage bill

If you've signed a contract then you are entitled to the amount the contract states for severance. I'm not sure how many on here would walk away from £4m.

If you've signed a contract then you are entitled to the amount the contract states for severance. I'm not sure how many on here would walk away from £4m.

Surely you shouldn’t be entitled to anything if you’re the one walking out?

 

[themaninblack]

Is there any proof he got anywhere near 4 million pay off ?
Most managers who get their 3 year contract terminated negotiate a pay off and it's nowhere near the wages that would have been paid over the length of their contract.

No. It’s a load of old bollox

 

[Badger Blade]

I thought CW's re-appointment smacked of desperation from both sides at the time but in true Wilder fashion, when it comes to having the freedom to rebuild a squad in his own way, he's, so far, getting the job done. If a squad needs pulling out the shit by its bootlaces and overhauling, he's the man for the job. Something that needs a minor tweak to get it back on track is a job for someone else, as seen with Middlesbrough and Watford.

There was a big fear that after how bad we've been that we'd do what Luton are doing but he's taken the axe to all but Souza and Hamer from last season which was the right thing. I don't think there's much denying that this season's side as it currently looks is already better than what turned out last season. A fit Souttar and Arblaster in this team sees us way out of sight in my opinion.

Hopefully having had the backing of the new ownership, he'll approach any hypothetical Premier League season with a bit of positivity rather than the jibes towards the previous regime which did nobody any favours.

Key thing will be what he does when he has access to a few quid rather than his usual MO which is building a good squad with limited resources. Relative to the others at the top level, we will still have limited resources but its a case of making sure we spend wisely on players who can displace the current squad, especially up front and at the back and not being fixated on one target and paying over the odds for them like with Brewster.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He’s absolutely diabolical, I’m sick of us having an attritional manager, he’s scared of his own piss, if Hamer was fit enough for the bench start him, if Holden is fit playe him and drop bomb scare Robbo,; I just wish we could wipe the slate clean, but the new owners have decided to give Wilder another massive pay day… very prematurely. a decent manager with this team would not have lost that match… he doesn’t know what system suits the players or what players suits the system.. he’s a joke and if the owners are serious about this club they need to get rid, or They’re gonna lose hundreds of millions and if they don’t have that we’re gonna fine ourselves in admin…

Chris Wilder?

 

[joe casey]

Agree it was wrong for him to return but can’t argue he’s done a great job get us to here.

However, he is not the man to keep us in Premiership. He thrives on being the poor victim that everyone’s against and we have to win games through blood and guts, it’s not pretty. We need a modern day manager, who that is I do not know, but I know it’s not Wilder

Yes hopefully if we go up we get a good modern day manager like Russell Martin, Kieran Mckenna, Ruud Van Nistelrooy or Vitor Pereira. Maybe we can dream for a Ruben Amorim or Ange Postecoglu type?

 

[burtonstreetblade]

Then stabbing Heckingbottom in the back to get the job back whilst placing his tongue up Prince's ring

I think getting the worst result in Sheffield United history against Newcastle did for Hecky

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes hopefully if we go up we get a good modern day manager like Russell Martin, Kieran Mckenna, Ruud Van Nistelrooy or Vitor Pereira. Maybe we can dream for a Ruben Amorim or Ange Postecoglu type?

 

[Blade56]

Yes hopefully if we go up we get a good modern day manager like Russell Martin, Kieran Mckenna, Ruud Van Nistelrooy or Vitor Pereira. Maybe we can dream for a Ruben Amorim or Ange Postecoglu type?

No more like Hurzeler, Andori, Frank, Potter, Glasner, Espirito Santos

 

[bornablade]

I think getting the worst result in Sheffield United history against Newcastle did for Hecky

Those behind the scenes discussions between Wilder and the Prince could well have been taking place before September 24th 2023.

 

[bornablade]

If you've signed a contract then you are entitled to the amount the contract states for severance. I'm not sure how many on here would walk away from £4m.

If you've signed a contract then you are entitled to the amount the contract states for severance. I'm not sure how many on here would walk away from £4m.

First time around I was one of Wilder's greatest supporters. It was a magical time. His demeanour during that first (Covid) relegation season was one of a broken man. I wanted him to take 'gardening leave.' Take some time away and recgharge his batteries and come back stronger for the next season. I was sure Hecky could have filled in until he returned.

Instead he chose to walk away with a pay off. My respect for him would have remained the same if not increased if he'd taken that break.

(Having said that I'm pretty sure that my views will mean very little to him)

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Yea but has been said on here many times before get a director of football in don’t let Wilder in charge of recruitment he’s a disaster

You don’t think his recruitment this season is any good then?

 

[Lane Ender]

You don’t think his recruitment this season is any good then?

Apart from the keeper none of them could play in the Premiership

 

[I should coco]

You don’t think his recruitment this season is any good then?

The perceived shit ones are Wilder's fault (Brewster, Cannon).

The good ones are down to the yanks and their new fancy scouting methods.

O'Hare was a Wilder failure, until he wasn't.

Simples, innit.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The perceived shit ones are Wilder's fault (Brewster, Cannon).

The good ones are down to the yanks and their new fancy scouting methods.

O'Hare was a Wilder failure, until he wasn't.

Simples, innit.

Ah, right. OK

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Apart from the keeper none of them could play in the Premiership

A lot of people said exactly that the first time we went up - finished 9th

 

[Lane Ender]

A lot of people said exactly that the first time we went up - finished 9th

This line up is no where near that class

 

[georgebernardshaw]

This line up is no where near that class

OK, I bow to your obvious experience….